Report a Player - Han - RDM (Action Taken)

[Coco]

Your In-game name

[AL] Rice

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Han

Date of the incident

30/01/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

230

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

Me and two buddies rolled up to the casino in Kavala when we saw a person with a rifle on their back. We decided to investigate further and discovered there was two of them. One of them started to slowly walk away while the other was chatting to my two buddies, i decided to follow the guy who was walking away and tried to get him to come back to the casino. I asked him multiple times to come back to the casino and then stated i would knock him out if he didn't return with me, he still wouldn't, so i decide to pull my pistol out and the guy instantly draws and says "get back" while also instantly opening fire on me and killing me. At no point did i threaten his life or did he threaten my life. My two buddies decided to take the friend hostage but the hostage complied and was never told her life is in danger or anything like that either.

He also tried to run back to the GZ when we were initiating on him.

I asked him in both OOC and in local chat// to come to TS in which he declined. If needed i can get footage that carries on from this where he executes me.

Also video actually starts around 1 minute in, I just had the extra minute to show what i had on me.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://plays.tv/video/5a6fdea696d6450342/rdm
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[han12]

As the reported player I feel that I need to explain my side of the story.  Firstly I don't have video evidence as my recording system decided to not work.               

   In the video he provided you can quite clearly see that my friend was being held up in the casino I saw that much as you can see me looking through the window into the casino I heard what they said then proceeded to retreat behind the building to pull my rifle from my bag (you can see me attempt this in his video ) I fail do do so though so I back away he then continued to follow in wich I said stop he then threatened to knock me out in which I pulled my pistol. I had no intention to fire right away but he decided to pull his pistol and run towards  me I then fired as I believed he was going to knock me out after the threat he made. 

When he was dead he stated I didn't initiaton him but this is quite obviously false as 1. his friends took lynx (the person in the casino hostage) and I witnessed it.  2. He then threatened to knock me out and then ran towards me while pulling his firearm .

The rule I believe he was talking about was:

(7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. Executing another player must also be carried out with high quality roleplay, the only exception to this rule is if both you and the victim are engaged in a gunfight together.

I believe that in a situation where I witnessed ryse gang  kidnapping a gang member of mine then follow me and threaten to knock me out falls in the range of a justified murder.

Here at the bottom I would like to reference a rule that the other gang decided not to follow as this would have changed the role play experiance to the better  as we would have known their plan and responded to it. This occurred right when they entered the casino as they said they could rob us  In a ts or discord channel.   (I have no recording so this is only word of mouth)

(3.5) You must hot-mic all communications that have been made over teamspeak when they are relevant to influencing the course of roleplay. This means that if you are communicating to fellow team members via Teamspeak and you are in audio proximity range of another player (they can hear you), you must hot mic any commands given so the rival player can overhear. This rule does not apply if both sides are engaged in a gunfight together.

 

[Coco]

As the reported player I feel that I need to explain my side of the story.  Firstly I don't have video evidence as my recording system decided to not work.               

   In the video he provided you can quite clearly see that my friend was being held up in the casino I saw that much as you can see me looking through the window into the casino I heard what they said then proceeded to retreat behind the building to pull my rifle from my bag (you can see me attempt this in his video ) I fail do do so though so I back away he then continued to follow in wich I said stop he then threatened to knock me out in which I pulled my pistol. I had no intention to fire right away but he decided to pull his pistol and run towards  me I then fired as I believed he was going to knock me out after the threat he made. 

When he was dead he stated I didn't initiaton him but this is quite obviously false as 1. his friends took lynx (the person in the casino hostage) and I witnessed it.  2. He then threatened to knock me out and then ran towards me while pulling his firearm .

The rule I believe he was talking about was:

(7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. Executing another player must also be carried out with high quality roleplay, the only exception to this rule is if both you and the victim are engaged in a gunfight together.

I believe that in a situation where I witnessed ryse gang  kidnapping a gang member of mine then follow me and threaten to knock me out falls in the range of a justified murder.

Here at the bottom I would like to reference a rule that the other gang decided not to follow as this would have changed the role play experiance to the better  as we would have known their plan and responded to it. This occurred right when they entered the casino as they said they could rob us  In a ts or discord channel.   (I have no recording so this is only word of mouth)

(3.5) You must hot-mic all communications that have been made over teamspeak when they are relevant to influencing the course of roleplay. This means that if you are communicating to fellow team members via Teamspeak and you are in audio proximity range of another player (they can hear you), you must hot mic any commands given so the rival player can overhear. This rule does not apply if both sides are engaged in a gunfight together.

You didn't witness us taking your friend hostage as when that happened i was round the corner with you. None of your lives were threatened and we only asked that you complied. From the video you can clearly see that when i pulled out my gun you instantly pulled your pistol and shot me with your only words being "get back". To be honest, it's both RDM and low quality RP. There's no denying you blatantly rdm'd me. If i was to turn around and say "Stop or i will shoot you" then what you did would have been acceptable as i threatened your life. Threatening to knock someone out is not a threat on your life and doesn't give you the right to just open up on them because they approached you with a pistol.

I fail do do so though so I back away he then continued to follow in wich I said stop he then threatened to knock me out in which I pulled my pistol. I had no intention to fire right away but he decided to pull his pistol and run towards  me I then fired as I believed he was going to knock me out after the threat he made. 

From the video you can see i pulled my pistol first and then you did and shot me. At no point did you tell me to stop or threatened my life. I asked you multiple times to simply come back with me but you refused leading to the threat of you being knocked out.

I also believe that at 1:34 in my video you are combat storing any money you have on yourself.

As you can see from my recording i didn't speak in an external channel throughout the whole situation until you killed me. Meaning that you posting that rule is irrelevant in this situation as this is between me and you.

At no point were any lives threatened.

 

[han12]

Okay you are right i did not witness my friend Get taken hostage. I did however witness your friends threaten her and tell her to put her hands up and then listened  to  what she was saying to your friends before they stripped her of her radio. I mean that I heard what she was saying to them until they stripped her of her radio. I then proceeded to back away in which i was attempting to take out my rifle in my backpack. I do not know what combat storing is or even how to do it so i would like that to be explained. Also my rifle is a TRG -21 which is easily seen in your comp request video. 

Second  you stated that you didn't threaten our lives which is true but according to the rule  (7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. Executing another player must also be carried out with high quality roleplay, the only exception to this rule is if both you and the victim are engaged in a gunfight together.  

Saying stop following or I will shoot would have been considered low quality RP so instead I took the fact that you ran towards me after threatening to knock me out and pulling your gun as the threat to my safety and pulled my gun and fired on you.  

I would also like to mention that I did state for you to stop my exact words being "Hey you back up" while i pulled my gun and you ran towards me .

As towards the last part you are correct I'm just stating that had your other gang members followed this rule the situation would have ended differently.

 

[Coco]

So you think "stop following or i will shoot" is low quality rp but you think "back up" while opening fire on me is perfectly fine? You didn't even give time for me to get back, you literally opened fire while saying that, as seen in my vid.

If you feel like your safety is threatened because someone said they'd knock you out then you still need to initiate before you kill them due to the fact they have not threatened your life.

It's like me turning around and killing a hobo because they spat on me and just saying "don't spit on me" while i proceed to kill him. It's RDM and low quality RP.

 

[Coco]

I gave him no reason to fear for his life, i didn't once say his life is threatened.

Either way, it is both RDM and low quality RP.

For now i am done discussing it and will wait for staff to come to their judgement.

 

[Clarity]

After looking at all the evidence and comment's i have came to the conclusion that i will be issuing a warning on Han today for rule 7.1.3.

The type role play leading up to Han shooting did not warrant Ryse being gunned down like he did. I feel that Han was a little to quick on the trigger and this could have gone in multiple different direction's if Han didn't shoot as soon as he did . Instead @han12 you could of told him to "back up" with your gun aiming at him to try and show some authority which then would have lead to a new stage of RP and may have even avoided the gun fight. In this case you were just a little to quick on the trigger for my liking.

This report could have easily been avoided if you would have had a TS conversation with the players involved, so keep that in mind for future reference.

I can see you know how to RP so i expect to see better from you in the future.

Action Taken: warning for rule 7.1.3

Name: [EMS 1019] Han

Steam ID: 76561198101312847

GUID: 712686cbd19f54bd76f6f4e830f746bc