Report a player - General (Cutlass) - GTA RP

[West1]

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- 4:10 to 4:14 here, The term "Tap Dancer" is more referencing why spend time rolling about in essence.


Didn't yous and Cutlass even agree at the end when yous who we're taken by Cutlass and finally roleplayed enjoyed it and there we're no hard feelings?


Does that give you the right to provide no roleplay that we did observe? There we're many times that roleplay was attempted from Cutlass and got nothing from the Vagos taken by them. So to say there wasn't a chance just isn't true and we both know that.

Just doesn't make sense not to roleplay with people that have taken you hostage effectively until the end where we both sides we're talking about the situation. Leads me to another question, If we are going with "Well I'd been on for hours and couldn't do it to a better standard" Why bother to start with and why not simply goto Pillbox before logging off? Just doesn't make much sense does it?

Hi Stuart thanks for the swift reply.

The "Tap dancing" i see as him seeing that JD was having no intension of cooperating as he was told a multitude of times to place his hands on his head and it was obvious that he was bying for time and was creating a reactionary gap to protect himself.

At the end of the day although 3 of us where took by cutlass and where provided with some roleplay there was still 4 of us who recieved no rp other than "Big C's" "Who the fuck do you think yous ar
e" etc. which i believe to be poor RP.

The essence of this report is mainly focused on the butterfly effect that was caused due to General Not Valueing his life in the face of 5 or more guns. This lead to cutlass having around a minute more advance notice than what there should have been which would have allowed us to take general into a vehicle then since we are out of the high intensity grab can provide high class roleplay surrounding the robbery and if it was nececerray to excecute could have provided a fun situation to all.


(Apologies for the spelling as i am quite tired)

 

[RacingChavvy]

I'm not talking about the roleplay "Inside the hospital from the Vagos inside", Yous we're taken and failed to provide any and Myself and another saw this when spectating. This of course wasn't provided to show everything in the situation only up to the point yous we're shot. That is where it come from and why I am asking about it and wondering why it wasn't provided. I'll go into the NVL claim that has been made further down once all my questions have been answered from both sides.

I Wasn't one of the Vagos that was taken i remained in the hospital along with Ronnie & JB. So cannot comment on this.

 

[Stuart]

In all fairness stuart the liaison was a place for kash & his boys to pick apart clips & our side of the story?

But that didn't happen, Both sides presented their case. You's even went to watch the clips before coming back in the liaison room with Sammy and I and it appeared both sides we're happy before we left.

At the end of the day although 3 of us where took by cutlass and where provided with some roleplay there was still 4 of us who recieved no rp other than "Big C's" "Who the fuck do you think yous ar
e" etc. which i believe to be poor RP.

So you see that as being poor however providing no RP is acceptable?

I Wasn't one of the Vagos that was taken i remained in the hospital along with Ronnie & JB. So cannot comment on this.

No problem!

I'll wait on @GENERALLL and @JJDD to respond to my questions too.

 

[West1]

But that didn't happen, Both sides presented their case. You's even went to watch the clips before coming back in the liaison room with Sammy and I and it appeared both sides we're happy before we left.


So you see that as being poor however providing no RP is acceptable?


No problem!

I'll wait on @GENERALLL and @JJDD to respond to my questions too.

I do agree Stuart that our RP was not at a high standard during this situation but i am of the belief that roleplay is a 2 way street and requires a willingness to participate in the roleplay and the first thing that we seen during starting this RP was general Not Valueing his life which as we observed and then knew that cutlass had no intension of complying with us we seen that the rp inside the hospital all though minimal was there as we where going around blacked out with the intension of not getting found out meaning that extended stays at the initial scene is a last resort and because of this we provide most of high value RP once we are out of the situation.

I can speak for most of us when i say that if general did not go on his radio in face of all of our guns we would of provided much higher quality of rp at sandy pillbox but we seen the situation as already being compramised because of this.

I cannot fully comment on the 3 That got taken by cutlass as i was not one of them. If you where reffering to what happened when the 3 of them but as i belive all 3 of them put on accents for over an hour and provided fake names and where giving decent rp (as i said i was not present during this).

On top of this reffering back to the QE i would like to ask why cutlass never then questioned our RP during as i believe if the RP was limited due to this it would have been mentioned in QE.

 

[Stuart]

I can speak for most of us when i say that if general did not go on his radio in face of all of our guns we would of provided much higher quality of rp at sandy pillbox but we seen the situation as already being compramised because of this.

Just so you are aware I'm not ignoring this by the way, I'm just waiting on responses and want other responses mainly from Cutlass before diving into this aspect of the report. So I hope you all can understand that.

On top of this reffering back to the QE i would like to ask why cutlass never then questioned our RP during as i believe if the RP was limited due to this it would have been mentioned in QE.

I cannot talk for others the same way you cannot comment on why yous we're shot Only the ones involved can answer that and would be better to direct towards them, However since it was part of the same situation and observed by Staff I'm questioning it based on what we saw and more wanting answers.

 

[West1]

Just so you are aware I'm not ignoring this by the way, I'm just waiting on responses and want other responses mainly from Cutlass before diving into this aspect of the report. So I hope you all can understand that.


I cannot talk for others the same way you cannot comment on why yous we're shot Only the ones involved can answer that and would be better to direct towards them, However since it was part of the same situation and observed by Staff I'm questioning it based on what we saw and more wanting answers.

Once again thanks for your swift reply i believe i have given all that i am able to at this point but will refer one of those who where taken to reply with the answers that are needed to progress this report

 

[GENERALLL]

Hi @Stuart here is the medal clip. I'm not sure what else you want.

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/2fL6JkI9lVVupf/d1337L0HPV2i?invite=cr-MSwzeGQsMTU3MTE1MTQ3LA

I haven't edited the audio. It just doesn't pick up If I tab out. Also to your statement about it being suspicious I only have one monitor and you can see I session head straight because I wanted to call those involved to liaison because I thought it to be poor doing this in pillbox.

 

[Stuart]

Hi @Stuart here is the medal clip. I'm not sure what else you want.

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/2fL6JkI9lVVupf/d1337L0HPV2i?invite=cr-MSwzeGQsMTU3MTE1MTQ3LA

I haven't edited the audio. It just doesn't pick up If I tab out. Also to your statement about it being suspicious I only have one monitor and you can see I session head straight because I wanted to call those involved to liaison because I thought it to be poor doing this in pillbox.

Well answers is what I'm looking for.

Why did you tab out to sort the recording whilst you we're in active roleplay? Why not do it before hand?

You mentioned that we're check if my clipping software was working. Explain this to me and everything you did (In detail). What did you tab out to, What we're you using at the time, What gave you an indication there might be an issue?

Another question now why upload to streamable when you use medal? Help me understand this logic.

 

[GENERALLL]

I was double checking weather my clipping software was on. I like using streamable its simple and didn't think this would be an issue. I was told by staff to make sure to record.

 

[GENERALLL]

@Ronnie trapp Can I also ask why 2 of your members came out of pillbox after being treated and straight went back in to hands me.

 

[Ronniie]

Morning @GENERALLL as stated previously to Stuart I am one person & cannot comment for what others do, same for yourself.

What I will say is that these people had no leading role in the robbery, nor had much input of the robbery as we had quickly decided to pounce. Obviously if you feel a rule was broke our end then please submit a REPORT A PLAYER FORM.

 

[West1]

Hi @Stuart here is the medal clip. I'm not sure what else you want.

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/2fL6JkI9lVVupf/d1337L0HPV2i?invite=cr-MSwzeGQsMTU3MTE1MTQ3LA

I haven't edited the audio. It just doesn't pick up If I tab out. Also to your statement about it being suspicious I only have one monitor and you can see I session head straight because I wanted to call those involved to liaison because I thought it to be poor doing this in pillbox.

Good afternoon @GENERALLL hope all is well,

Can i ask why if you used sessionheads to call us to liason why was it that in the liason you failed to mention our roleplay standard?

 

[JB_]

@Stuart I will wrap up your questions for you from a Vagos POV after speaking to the 3 that were taken and given the fact I was “leading” the group around that night.

We did a total of 3/4 kidnappings and with each one I tried to create a different experience. The first 2 people we took happened to be in the same gang. We had a long scenario with them which ended with a fight to the death and only 1 surviving. The remaining guy, just as we were about to let him leave was shot in the back of the head. This was quite funny and enjoyable for everyone because we’d made the 2 mates shit on each other quite a bit and when he thought he was going to be leaving alive without his friend, he went as far to dance on his body. There was quite a laugh when we put him back next to his pal to die.

One scenario was unfortunately cut short because the person we were holding up thought he could take us on 1 v 5 so there wasn’t much we could do apart from the dodgy doctor experience.

Another person we grabbed was selling coke on Dutch London. We had sold to him that night and once we’d grabbed him we took him away to question him. We quizzed him on the vagos and tried to get loads of information out of him about the gang, who he knows etc to see if he would leak info. Which he ofc did so we had to reveal ourselves and have him killed.

As said previously, we would have created something else unique had we managed to get away with general and this was far from a night of let’s going out and steal everyone’s guns. A few of the people we took were not even carrying any to begin with.

Through out the night a lot of the vagos lads did put some effort in. Taking the lead in some situations putting on accents etc. after speaking to the ones that were taken by cutlass, It seems it was a mixture of feeling tired, the frustration of feeling as if they had been wronged by a potential rule break and not having the most experience in that kind of scenario as someone that has been taken by another gang. It’s definitely something that they will learn from moving forwards after speaking to them.

I hope this clears everything up from a Vagos POV so you can get back to the report at hand.
JB.

 

[GENERALLL]

You mentioned that we're check if my clipping software was working. Explain this to me and everything you did (In detail). What did you tab out to, What we're you using at the time, What gave you an indication there might be an issue?

To answer this question, I tabbed out to my browser page then clicked the bottom right arrow icon and clicked onto medal tabbed back in while the medal app was loading then tabbed out again to see if the **Now Clipping** was showing. Would a demonstration help?

 

[Stuart]

You mentioned that we're check if my clipping software was working. Explain this to me and everything you did (In detail). What did you tab out to, What we're you using at the time, What gave you an indication there might be an issue?

To answer this question, I tabbed out to my browser page then clicked the bottom right arrow icon and clicked onto medal tabbed back in while the medal app was loading then tabbed out again to see if the **Now Clipping** was showing. Would a demonstration help?

Missing two parts of my questions I did ask so could you answer them as well?

Why did you tab out to sort the recording whilst you we're in active roleplay? Why not do it before hand?

Another question now why upload to streamable when you use medal? Help me understand this logic.

Also I want to you to honest. Are you writing your responses yourself?

 

[GENERALLL]

Hi Stuart once again hope all is well. In all fairness I have just tabbed out to check if my clipping software was working. I was ensuring it was working to cover my own back if anything happens as mentioned in breakroom. First there were remarks about the audio being clipped out so I provided a medal clip to prove my point it wasn't. Then I was questioned to explain the timeline of tabbing out. I have no reason to lie I've been in this great community and developed my character over this past year. I know right from wrong. I use Streamable because it's easy to use drag and drop. Now that I have provided a medal clip but still being questioned? I write my own responses I don't need anyone to talk for me I'm very capable of doing it myself. I'm open to help with any more questions.

 

[Stuart]

Hi Stuart once again hope all is well. In all fairness I have just tabbed out to check if my clipping software was working. I was ensuring it was working to cover my own back if anything happens as mentioned in breakroom. First there were remarks about the audio being clipped out so I provided a medal clip to prove my point it wasn't. Then I was questioned to explain the timeline of tabbing out. I have no reason to lie I've been in this great community and developed my character over this past year. I know right from wrong. I use Streamable because it's easy to use drag and drop. Now that I have provided a medal clip but still being questioned? I write my own responses I don't need anyone to talk for me I'm very capable of doing it myself. I'm open to help with any more questions.

Reason you are being questioned is because I have questions that in all honesty only you can answer. Will I take what others say you did or will I listen to the player directly. That's why you have had them.

I just found it strange to tab out mid roleplay overall as normally people would carry on with the roleplay over missing part of the point. It is common for us to ask questions when we have them over us assuming so I'm sure you understand that.

I don't need anyone to talk for me I'm very capable of doing it myself.

Fingers crossed it remains this way ^^ Since a lot of what you have been referring to mentioned wasn't from yourself and in all honesty things I ignored anyway as it one wasn't posted here and two wasn't from yourself.

There is always a reason behind my logic in the long run, However I found it strange that streamable was being used when Medal just provides you the clip and link.

As said previously, we would have created something else unique had we managed to get away with general and this was far from a night of let’s going out and steal everyone’s guns. A few of the people we took were not even carrying any to begin with.

Final question I have on this report, The other robberies are they connected to this report or no?

 

[JB_]

Final question I have on this report, The other robberies are they connected to this report or no?

Hi Stuart, no they are not I was just demonstrating that the group was very capable of good RP had this scenario been allowed to play out and also in reply to general questioning our RP in his replies even though he had only experienced the initial hands up (which is strange).

 

[Stuart]

Sorry for the delay in response to the report busy time at work. Anyway time to get down to it and wrap the report up.

First off thank you for taking the time to make a report @Ronniie and thank you for the responses @GENERALLL and others as I've been asking them. Whilst it may not have been obvious why I am asking things there is always a reason, Some might not be as clear but it's all necessary. Now somethings asked may have been common sense however I'd prefer to get answers and things backed up with evidence over assuming as that doesn't get us anywhere.

In terms of the report the main claims we're NVL against General in Sandy hospital. From looking it's been agreed that the point Vagos believed it was NVL is when General "Tapped" his radio before putting his hands up. With the NVL Rule it's somewhat different in some respect and depends on one important factor and thanks "Context". I have always said "Context Matters" and this couldn't be more true than this report.

We see that Vagos had the opportunity and went for it, However it did go south pretty quick. As you can see from Generals POV he did radio through before hand to let others know and did indeed use his radio when he had weapons pointed at him however based on everything I understand it as a "Last ditch effort" in some respect to get help and we have to understand he did put his hands up and did indeed get ziptied.

Looking over the longer video from JB we can hear the cameras and he did go over to the main part of the hospital "Reception" and instantly get told to put his hands up. Whilst I do understand the situation was tense we should all want roleplay to shine more over "Hands up or die" in essence. That wasn't exactly said however them vibes can be felt and we should keep that in mind, We are all here for serious roleplay overall so please keep this in mind.

Now General did explain why he tabbed out to check his recording however I still won't understand why this wasn't done before hand. What if someone tried to roleplay with you whilst you we're tabbed out? You wouldn't be able to hear them nor carry it on. It's good to check prior if possible if you have doubts the recording isn't working or may not be so you can take part in the roleplay happening around you.

If we read the NVL rule (Don't worry I'll post it below) we can have a bit of a better understanding of it;

(G2.4) Value of Life
At all times you are to value your life, if you are clearly outnumbered or at an obvious disadvantage you should comply with demands.

So with this rule it does state you are to value your life if you are clearly outnumbered. Whilst one side can argue "Well he didn't as he used his radio" You can also argue by what General did here was attempts to preserve his own life and in essence it did pay off. General did comply with demands as you can see when he is ziptied. Lets say General didn't comply at all then that would of been a different story however it's not the case here.

We could argue that JB was outnumbered too however if we look at the video he provided this also wasn't the case as when it come to it it was JB against one Vagos member as the other two decided to do other things and not be more aware of the situation leading to well the gunfight happening.

I did mention most of this was being watched as it happened and I know I touched on the roleplay @Ronniie and others provided after this. Please keep in mind that roleplay does come first, Whilst yes I get being annoyed at what may be seen as a rulebreak, It can be delt with later via a liaison and or a report if needed. We should all provide high quality roleplay to all players as that's what makes the experience unique and fun for everyone involved.

Please keep what I've said here in mind moving forth. As mentioned there was no NVL rulebreak here and I hope you can understand why we've reached this decision. Based on that I'll go ahead and deny the report and wish you all a wonderful weekend!

Denied.