Report a player - Eziekiel Montoya - GTA RP

[Bren104]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Buffington Egan

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: Eziekiel Montoya

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 07/27/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1752

What best describes this incident ?: RDM (G1.2)

Please (in detail) describe the incident: Police were actioning search warrants on a Cutlass member's vehicles from 16:30 to 17:30 on the evening of the 27/07/2023. The vehicles were stored at Luccetti's Parking across the road from the Arcade as this was where the person had stored their vehicles. There were 2/3 Cutlass members observed to be outside the Arcade but had not seemed to notice us throughout the process of the raid. They only seemed to spot us toward the end as we were in the process of concluding. There was a large number of Cutlass members who then came over to us and asked us why we were leaving asking "where are we going". We had seized a quantity of firearms and put them in one vehicle and had the intention of hastily leaving the area before any action could be taken. That vehicle with the evidence inside managed to get away without receiving any attention from the Cutlass members whilst there appeared to be one Cutlass member following the other police convoy out of the area. That bike can be seen following for a short distance but backs off then and heads back to the Arcade whilst we head to Mission Row to meet up with the vehicle with all of the seized items. This will be shown in the first clip I have listed below.

We spent approximately 5/10 minutes inside the Station transporting the evidence into the evidence room within the Station. After this was done, we had one more vehicle to search and had 10 minutes before the 18:00 restart. The BMW X5s are parked at Vespucci Police Station and the last vehicle we needed to search was on the way as we drove from Mission Row to Vespucci so two of us decided to head there quickly in order to search that last vehicle and park the X5 before the restart. Just as we were arriving at the car park, we notice a black BF400 with a person wearing a Black Hoodie operating it. We used the ANPR plate reader to see who it was and knew instantly that it was a Cutlass nominal because we recognised the name of the registered owner. This bike then chased us from the MPO docks to Vespucci Police Station. During the course of this pursuit we made an attempt to get away and get back to the safety of Vespucci Police Station.

The first interaction we had with the rider was when we got to the gate as we were forced to stop and open it. The rider of the bike pulled out a shotgun and ordered us to get out of the car and in the same breath, shot myself injuring me but failed to hit my colleague and then drove off. This will be shown in the second clip I have listed below.

Multiple police units then responded to the panic button being pressed but so did multiple members of Cutlass. Upon police arriving at the scene, there were what appears to be multiple Cutlass nominals shooting at police within the Station. The person can be seen to be wearing all black clothing shooting a fully automatic rifle at police officers inside the station. This will be shown at 01:50 of the third clip I have listed below.

I would allege that the shooting seen in the second clip by Eziekiel Montoya to be an instance of RDM. The reason being that the interaction between us prior to the shooting was of little substance. He gave us an order and instantly shot us before we had a chance to comply. Before attacking another player, you are required to engage in quality roleplay. In the second clip, there was no quality roleplay at all. There was an order given but no time to comply with the order as almost immediately upon ordering us to step out of the car, I was shot given no chance to comply with the shooters demands.

Understandably, a point that requires addressing is the fact that Police had searched a Cutlass member's vehicles. However, if there was going to be a major shootout between blacked out members of Cutlass and Police, the time to do it was when we were conducting the raid, not 15 minutes after it had ended. Just because police served a search warrant does not give a gang freedom to openly fire on police inside the police station 15 minutes after the fact without prior roleplay taking place first as required under G1.2.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ninfncjFjh8 - Shows the end of the raid and the fact that no Cutlass members followed police to MRPS.
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz_tihgQgyo - Shows the shooting
3. https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1lKsNklyQAvBLF/8fm5DAEzh3Pg?invite=cr-MSxKakMsMzY3NjAzOTMs - shows the aftermath of the shooting.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz_tihgQgyo



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Eze]

Hi, @Bren104
I am just curious as to why have you not tried reaching out to me since this has occured 2 days ago and have only now just chosen to place this report up.
You could have reached out to me on the day this occured and attempted to speak about this situation in liasion ?

 

[Bren104]

The report was put up two days after the incident because I had simply not gotten around to writing and publishing the report as I had other commitments. 

I did not feel the need to call a liaison immediately at the time as I was unsure as to whether or not one was merited. However after reviewing and consulting with others, I have come to the opinion that a rule was broken, but this was long after the events seen in the clips and therefore a liaison was not appropriate. 

 

[Eze]

Well in that case, could staff possibly confirm wether is the case if @Bren104has been online over these past two days ?

If this is true I can continue with providing a response towards this report, Thank you.

Also @Bren104 , Even after time has passed you could still try to come and speak within a liasion, Time passing has nothing to due with a situation and can still be beneficial to discuss a roleplay situation. 

but this was long after the events seen in the clips and therefore a liaison was not appropriate. 

 

[Bren104]

No need to check - I was online over the past two days. However, what I would say this is a moot point. I am not under a positive obligation to enter a liaison to discuss the matter with you and it is also the case that I am not under a positive obligation to report what occurred instantly upon it happening. This is a game and I enjoy playing it, that's what I was doing over the two days among other items that are not a concern of yours. The swiftness of this report being placed up or lack thereof is of little merit or bearing to what actually occurred - it still happened. Apologies if you think you as the Accused are due the courtesy of having the report placed up on the same night the action took place or owed a liaison but you are not. The report can be put up at anytime and the aggrieved party has the choice of whether to call a liaison or not. I had other things to attend to immediately after being shot rather than take the time out of my day to write a report. Something that would not be necessary had the circumstances of the aforementioned clips been different. 

 

[Eze]

The swiftness of this report being placed up or lack thereof is of little merit or bearing to what actually occurred

Since you have stated this, it seems very funny to me that your report has gone up 45 minutes after Levis report has gone up against me, you had 2 whole days to determine whether you had an issue with this situation and place a report up, or attempt to speak to me. So you're trying to tell me this is a coincidence ? and not some form of revenge report due to the current ongoing situation between cutlass and police ?

Regardless I will begin giving a response 

intention of hastily leaving the area before any action could be taken

First off you "Hastily left" closing any RP or chance for the individual to attempt to speak to you, Even when I began questioning the police where you going trying to speak to multiple police members, yet you all remained silent attempting to not engage in any RP I believe one fed actually had the audacity to say something which was "We're Leaving". Not only this but I presume you have been all told that these "Scummy Tactics" used to raid people about 30/20min before server restart is looked down upon and should not be conducted as it seems like a major win mentalility.

That bike can be seen following for a short distance but backs off then and heads back to the Arcade whilst we head to Mission Row

You're aboslutely right, it was me. Firstly I wanted to engage in some rp with the police however with the bare communication I recieved back I decided to scout,I was trying to see which direction you would head and the sirens made it seem like they was heading to Mission Row. Therefore I already knew where police would be located and an attempt for us to gain revenge upon the police that had taken our members possessions.

Mission Row to Vespucci so two of us decided to head there quickly in order to search that last vehicle and park the X5 before the restart. Just as we were arriving at the car park, we notice a black BF400 with a person wearing a Black Hoodie operating it. We used the ANPR plate reader to see who it was and knew instantly that it was a Cutlass nominal because we recognised the name of the registered owner.

So at this poin you know it's and OCG Cutlass member, You just raided Cutlass and now have me once again following you, blacked out for a reason to avoid causing further less damage towards my gang, So this situation is not random like you have stated, You have just raided Cutlass, Cutlass black out and plan to retaliate. 

pursuit we made an attempt to get away and get back to the safety of Vespucci Police Station.

Once again You flee an RP situation again, to me it just seems like you wish to avoid RP in general or situation due to what you have just done and knowlingly that you might be attacked for just raiding cutlass. 

The first interaction we had with the rider was when we got to the gate as we were forced to stop and open it

Not the first Interaction, As I attempted to speak to you all at luchetti's however you all seemed to have drove off without any rp and tried to dodge any RP from Cutlass or me matter of fact.

In your clip your own College alleges you to get back to the station in case you get shot ? How are you stating this to be RDM on your part when you have just done all of this. He then states you have no evidence on yourself so it's all good yet for some reason you're very adamant on getting into the safety of the station rather than interact with the bike that has followed you.

I will continue on with the shooting, You hear me clearly state get out of the car you see me reaching as im talking to you and continue to drive into the station ? Would this not prompt me to shoot you for disregarding my clear demand not only this but your vehicle is clearly stationery and the moment you hear my demand and see the gun you proceed to drive in  ? Not only this but you immiedtly panic as well as your college so it seems as if you had the ability to click two buttons to panic whereas you couldn't have clicked one to get out of the car ?

the time to do it was when we were conducting the raid, not 15 minutes after it had ended.

You say this yet everything you have done is tried to avoid any RP alongside with the rest of the police even after I the cutlass member tried to engage in RP whilst you was conducting your raid however you all got so giddy over the amount of guns you just seized you all wanted to get out as fast as possible not only this but dump it all in the evidence locker, which just looks like an attempt in further "Police win Mentality."

you are required to engage in quality roleplay.

Like I stated, The attempts were there, You all seemed to not want to RP, You could have not accelerated the vehicle into the station seeking the safety of the station, you are here blaming me for shutting down avenues of RP when it all just seems to me like the police really wanted to be in the station following a raid, even after someone tried to speak to you all, you all drove off, you are being followed yet you do not stop to maybe converse or pull me over, you proceed driving to safety, you are blaming me for RDM as if no attempt to RP with you guys was made, there was plenty. I also instructed to get out the vehicle yet you drive into the station, you do not follow a simple command whilst a gun is being drawn, you drive in and get shot for failing to meet the demand.

Here is the RP during the raid - 

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Therefore you knew what possible RP could have occured so for you to say this was a random kill is insane, You could've exited the vehicle, There was multiple avenues you could have explored yet you persited in "Hastily Returing" to safety of your police station. Instead you pressed Shift+B to alert your panic instead of simply pressing F and not driving forward denying my command and getting yourself killed. 

 

[Liam]

Hello @Bren104

Report a Players must be submitted within a 24 hour time frame, as you have stated and I have done my due diligence. You have been online every day since Saturday. Can I ask why you submitted it two days later? Why not a liaison?

If you'd like for ease of mind, feel free to DM your response and I'll add it as a hidden response for log keeping.

 

[Liam]

Your report is currently being reviewed, Please be patient while the evidence is reviewed

Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

 

[Liam]

Hello everyone

@Bren104is currently not available to respond as I have been told. So I continued on with the report, and looking at the evidence.

With the context provided by both parties, I cannot say that this is RDM.

Let's get into it;

Police raid Cutlass, whether that's vehicles or whatever its irrelevant. Ezekiel gets blacked out, and is on the hunt for some Police Officers which I assume to kidnap them for some High Quality Roleplay.

Whilst he follows and catches up to a few officers about to enter at Vespucci PS. He pulls out a shotgun, and begins to roleplay with the officers. Now, at this point he is aiming a shotgun at you + others @Bren104and orders you out of the vehicle. As this happens, whomever is driving the X5 takes a chance and begins driving forward. As we all know, once you get in there and the gate locks you are safe. Ezekiel took a chance, to do this at a Police Station and it didn't work out for him. Probably poor planning on his behalf, but as far as I can see. He shot, because you (Police) attempted to escape that scenario and enter the police station to be saved by the gates.

Had he not whiffed his second shot, and killed the second officer. He could've furthered the roleplay again, but he never got the chance which isn't anyone's fault. It dynamically played out like that. I am sure there are more things to come to your man due to this unsuccessful appeal.

Denied ~ No Rule Break

 

[Liam]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.