Report a player - Chester Buckets - GTA RP

[kearnwelsh98]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Kearn Welsh

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: Chester Buckets

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 14/07/22

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1800

What best describes this incident ?: Poor RP

Please (in detail) describe the incident: I loaded into RPUK to go and to see if any of the lads I hang around with are in city, as you can see from the clip I load in, have a conversation with people who I know are telling me they are people that they aren't.
I then see after I jump in the car that there is someone on top of the car park across from legion square restaurant, I drive over to see who it is but when I get up there no one is there, then about 4/5 people appear up there so I decide to leave, as I do Chester buckets on the motorbike pulls in front of me pulls a gun on me and tells me to put my hands up, as that happens someone crashes into the back of me making the car roll, I tell them I cant put my hands up in the car and was going to continue the roleplay with them saying something along the lines of let me put the handbrake on so the car doesn't roll away but before I had the chance to even get my words out I was dead, before this they hadn't even identified who I was and were basing everything off of assumption.
I have counted the time in which they told me to put up my hands and when they shot me dead. It was literally 5 seconds.
Poor Rp to the fullest and has happened the day prior to which someone else in my group has spoke to them about, makes the whole experience really sour.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):

https://youtu.be/2GuPCzb59p4
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Cheddar]

Firstly, I would like to provide some context to this situation;

A large amount of us had recently left the group this user is a part of. During the day prior, we had altercations with the group (involving gunfights etc), so we are very clearly have a conflict between each group. As of yet, no attempts have been made by either side to settle the problems IC, so there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that we are fighting still. 

My view of the situation mentioned above;

As you've been part of group for ~3 months now, I'm confident in saying you recognised 1, if not both, of the voices you were talking to. You almost certainly realised that you were talking to 2 of the people you were fighting the night prior. Equally, we recognised you and planned to kidnap you. As you entered the carpark, we followed, and attempted to block you in and hold you at gunpoint. As you said, one of us did hit into the back of your car, causing it to roll. That was not the reason you were shot.  I will explain why below:

saying something along the lines of let me put the handbrake on so the car doesn't roll away

When you reference putting on the handbrake, when you multiple guns aimed at you, why would your first thought be to put the handbrake on a already stationary car? You would hope you would value you own life over damaging an NPC's vehicle. Fair enough if it was a vehicle you owned, but that wasn't the case here, I wouldn't personally care about the condition of a stolen car.

before I had the chance to even get my words out I was dead

In reference to this, you said "I can't put my hands up in the car, can I", that seems like you had time to get some words out. In this time, you could have put your handbrake on and left the vehicle, yet you chose to say that instead. From our point of view, you are directly refusing to do what we have said. Besides all that, we are on one of the busiest roads on the entire map, we are not going to sit waiting for someone to chat to us, put the handbrake on etc.

I have counted the time in which they told me to put up my hands and when they shot me dead. It was literally 5 seconds.

5 seconds is plenty of time to place your hand break on and leave you vehicle. Why did you not choose to do that?

before this they hadn't even identified who I was and were basing everything off of assumption.

We don't have to explicitly ask who you are, and we do not have to make you aware of the fact we know who you are. You would do exactly what the 2 people you spoke to at the start did and give a false name. As well as that, asking explicitly who you are would most likely tip you off to the fact we have a good suspicion who you are already, and would most likely cause you to flee in the near future. Why would we possibly risk an easy kidnap?

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

Notice how this statement says "You". You have not made any attempts in OOC chat (visible in the clip above) or discord to message me regarding this situation (happy to prove if needed). The closest thing to a discussion is borderline toxic dm's by other members of the group in my discord messages, and none have been in relation to this situation.

The reason I mention the private message's above is that this report specifically mentions me, and no one else in that group at the time. I have individually asked if any of the others involved at the prior incident or the one mentioned above have received any equally toxic dm's, to which they haven't. That's why I feel this is specifically targeted at me. If you look at my actions, all I did was tell you to put your hands up. I was not the one that shot you.

Poor Rp to the fullest and has happened the day prior

If there is a problem there, make a report on all those involved at that incident.

If you feel like I have not sufficiently responded to anything here, or would like me to clarify any points, let me know and I'll reply as soon as I see,

Thanks.

 

[kearnwelsh98]

so in light of you saying i remember 2 of the voices i was fighting the night prior is incorrect i was killed and don't remember anything that happened, all being said you CAN NOT identify me by voice as i have other characters in city and you know that fine well as you have met Axel and he speaks the exact same way as i do.

the first thing you are going to do in any situation where a moving vehicle is involved is place the handbrake on, car was not stationary as you said put up your hands, anyways failing that, you can see my hands on the wheel i was reaching for a gun and wasn't reaching for a radio. anyways back to the handbrake situation, its called rp if you knew anything about any sort of good or semi good rp you would understand that to beef up the story a little bit and give it a little extra flavour but as i have said and will stand by your RP is poor and always has been from what I've seen.

in terms of me saying i cant put my hands up in a moving car i think that's perfectly fine considering its moving, with that you are saying that i don't understand what world you live in if 5 seconds is enough but ok. even with that you've replied here saying its plenty of time to put your handbrake on and leave the vehicle i didn't even get the chance to press the key to get my seatbelt off.

in terms of my identity and me standing by the the fact that you were basing everything off assumption you've kindly agreed in your statement saying "we have good suspicion who you are" but like ive said above i have characters with the same accent and could've easily been him.

in terms of the have you tried to resolve the issue, well no obviously not but you have been given fair warning by one of the 5 of us that if your rp continued to be poor we would just report it, we are a group of friends are as you and your lads we would expect the same if one of you warned us.

in terms of you not being the one who shot,  ive watched it back and apologise it wasnt you who shot instead it was a bloke i had no interaction with instead, so in that case i apologise, nick shot me which is even worse as there was zero rp with him before that, regardless i stand by everything i have said until this point about you and your rp.

 

[Cheddar]

remember 2 of the voices i was fighting the night prior is incorrect i was killed and don't remember anything that happened

You do not forget every single piece of information when you die. You have been around these people for nearly 3 months, and you are surely more than aware who is no longer part of the group you are in.

you were basing everything off assumption

Maybe it would help if I referenced the clip you have attached. You were very clearly unhappy with the people you were talking to, clearly saying things along the lines of "you're fucking fool of shit you pal" and "shut your mouth". Having someone sound very similar to who were were fighting last night, now clearly unhappy verbally to us, returning to their car to use a radio whilst staying in the carpark, and then moving across the road to quite obviously look at us from a distance. Yes, without seeing an ID I could not 100% guarantee it was you, but there were plenty of hints as to your identity.

i didn't even get the chance to press the key to get my seatbelt off.

Time spent saying you can't put your hands up in a car could easily be spent following our instructions and leaving the car.

you can see my hands on the wheel i was reaching for a gun and wasn't reaching for a radio

In terms of straight RP, yes, you did not physically reach down and grab a gun. Now in terms of game mechanics purely, you can pull a weapon nearly instantly. Equally, the radio activates instantly. I see your point, however the game is not a 1:1 replica of life, we need to understand the limitations game mechanics in order to RP properly.

you have met Axel

Sorry mate, I don't recall that interaction at all. Either it has never happened, or you're misremembering / I have forgotten about it. Please refer to my first section as to why we almost certainly knew it was you.

i have characters with the same accent and could've easily been him.

It could of, but none of your other characters would act the same way you did in the situation. There is no problems between any of your other characters and any of ours, so why would they speak to us in such a rude and antagonising way? Speaking personally, I'm pretty sure I've never even interacted with any of your other characters.

, well no obviously not but you have been given fair warning by one of the 5 of us that if your rp continued to be poor we would just report it

That is not an attempt to resolve this situation, that is simply a threat to report. In what way does that help resolve the situation you have reported me for?

instead it was a bloke i had no interaction with instead,

Imagine if all of us there were screaming "Put your hands up" etc, it would cause even more confusing as I doubt you'd be able to even hear what was being said. We explicitly agreed on the way to you in the carpark that only 1 of us would talk in order to prevent any confusion. That is why the person did not speak to you. He was still with us in the group, also holding you at gunpoint.

If he likes, the person who shot you can explain it from their POV.

Once again, I'm happy to clarify and go into further detail on any of the points above.

 

[kearnwelsh98]

That isn't even worth a response, so we will just wait and see what happens.

 

[Cheddar]

That's fine. Staff, let me know whether you'll need my POV of the situation, will be happy to provide.

 

[Stuart]

Your report is currently being reviewed, Please be patient while the evidence is reviewed

Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

Good Morning @kearnwelsh98& @Cheddar

Interesting read so far within the report, I'll save my judgement for now whilst we gather more information so we know the full context behind this. @CheddarIf you have evidence then please provide that to us for review. 

@kearnwelsh98You mentioned you died and respawned, I assume this was July 13th? If so can you tell us when they would of been as both sides are in agreement that something happened the day prior to this. 

 

[kearnwelsh98]

Good evening Stuart,

hope all is well, the incident that involved me dying and respawning i couldnt honestly give you a time without it being a lie, im really sorry i cant help further on that.

 

[Cheddar]

Hi @Stuart,

My apologies, I thought I did make a clip of it, but I don't have it anymore (not sure whether I didn't clip it or I deleted it). Hope the clip in the original message is sufficient enough.

Cheers.

 

[Stuart]

@kearnwelsh98No problem and thank you for letting me know, Since this does help with my response that I'll make to the report. 

@CheddarWithin the video just trying to make sure what person is yourself, In the video provided around 3:26 there are two males, I'm going to go out on a whim and take it you are the male with the rose and not on the bike, Would I be correct in this? Also no problem about the other clip if you don't have it, We can work with what's provided just additional context would of been helpful if it was available  

 

[Cheddar]

@Stuart

Actually, I am neither of those people. You can see me at 6:43 in front of the car on the bike wearing the duffle bag and mask.

 

[Stuart]

No problem and thank you for clarifying for me @CheddarThis does indeed change the outlook from the report as going from what is said it did seem to imply you we're one of the first two original people shown, So this does change the overview of the report and at this point I'm wondering why you have been reported when there isn't much in the video you actually do. 

@kearnwelsh98Do you have any evidence showing the session heads for the other players involved, More so being the first two males in the car park at legion? 

 

[kearnwelsh98]

I unfortunately don't  have  the sessionheads numbers, although i know the one holding the rose is lester buckets, im not sure who the other one is, also would like to point out that watching the video back initially i did think it was @Cheddarthat had shot me then whe he said it wasnt and i rewatched i realised it was infact nicholas gerser, i do apologise on that front. Everything happened quickly and i thought that the tazer stream was infact from chesters gun. 

 

[Stuart]

No problem @kearnwelsh98

First off I'd like to apoligies for the delay within my responses to the report, Had a few things going on, However we will get this report sorted since there is no additional evidence to be provided. 

So looking over the report there is a lot that has been mentioned and claimed then the evidence provided, I'll go through some of the comments first, Then the evidence and finally giving the conclusion. 

Within some of the claims made, Such as Kearn mentioning he was killed the night prior so within roleplay he couldn't remember such things. From a rules point and this report since there isn't much for us to go on more so the time this happened to where he respawned I won't make assumptions however I won't take action on this rule. Main reason I asked was due to G4.3 more so the part and I'll quote 'Any feud your character had with their killer(s) is ended.' However as mentioned since Kearn cannot remember when this happened there isn't much that could be done within the report however it will be put here as a friendly reminder. 

The other comment made was 'CAN NOT identify me by voice', So this is an interesting one that won't have a full answer overall but something to keep in mind. As this situation was two civilians over police/civ we will go off the civ/civ side to not confuse anyone based on the situation as a whole. When talking to anyone in game it is possible for people to use the same voice over a few characters, Now yes we shouldn't jump on 'Hey this is Brad' (as an example) when it's the player on another character who does sound the same, There does need to be some caution within some situations if there is any doubt. Such as going up to someone, Hearing their voice and forcing that name upon the player it might not be. Now some players can indeed lie about their name even if they are on the questioned character who you may know but as mentioned it's a good idea to air on the side of caution if you do have doubt until you are confident again it is the person you believe it is. 

From Cheddar's comment he has outlined some context from the night prior that both parties are agreeing that something did happen the day prior. Cheddar has mentioned he was part of the same group that you are part of Kearn so he would know people from his time there if he did indeed meet them. Now whilst Kearn is masked it might be possible the clothing you are wearing is a common outfit for your character that Cheddar has got to know within his time with yous and I won't assume that just he did identify you by voice alone within this situation. 

Next comment was based on the video however being disputed within responses ect, This is to do with putting the handbrake on. Throughout this indeed it does add to immersion when it comes to it, However due to this being a game the car wouldn't move but to dive into more in depth roleplay this was something that I can see could help roleplay and treat it like real life even though with the game mechanics indeed you will see the car still regardless. This for me does add more realism to roleplay however giving in depth roleplay does require someone to carry on the roleplay from the other side, I'd say there was a big missed opportunity with this and who knows the roleplay could of gone a lot deeper throughout if both parties just take a moment to think of what's being said to them within roleplay and encourage good roleplay, I can assure you over situations this will make a big difference. 

Lets dive into the video now that I've giving my points on a few comments; 

From the start of the video this was indeed from the time Kearn did spawn into the server to where people we're already around in the area. Upon them spotting you they did then come over and start to roleplay with yourself Kearn. Now one did come up to you and claim to be 'Joey' and your response was 'Don't talk shit to me' so it's clear just by this you both know each other just with this small interaction and thus in turn wouldn't hold much weight to the 'Voice ID' claim on it's own. 

Around 2:10 in it looks like you are moving away from the situation when you then turn back and engage into more conversation with the others there in relation to why they are there ect. Now around 3:50 you we're the clear instigator by punching one of them for falling for a joke to where a taser was pointed at you and you was told to be careful. Moving forward you do leave the area to go into the car park on the other side of the road and shortly after a few people do come up and stop you with a gun aimed at you from the person in front on the bike. 

Now at this point you was told to put your hands up and you did say you cannot put your hands up in the car can you to where you was then shot instantly by the person in the vehicle to the left of you, After this they do then drive off and come back with the hearse. Now at this point the other player in the vehicle to the left from what I can tell from the video was their first interaction with you in this situation before shooting and from the clip doesn't appear they talked. Overall this was poor from looking as there was only a few quick seconds for a word to be mentioned before a shot was fired. Whilst one may believe someone isn't valuing their life, Is a few seconds really enough time to let someone hear what you've said, Say a response or do an action in the matter of x seconds? When it was mentioned they cannot put their hands up I'm a little unsure why this wasn't questioned and the first thing that come to everyone's mine was 'right time to shoot', Not really quality roleplay now is it. 

After checking in the video you was shot at the timestamp 6:51 and they then come back around 8:36, Asked a question to each other to where Keran was placed into the vehicle and no roleplay happened over someone just singing to themselves to where you reached the hills at 11 minutes in and until the end of the video no roleplay happened between both parties, Little unsure to why as this was a missed opportunity. 

Now onto my comments and conclusion;

As mentioned prior it's clear something is happening between both groups however both parties regardless are still held to the same standard of the rules and should aim to provide quality roleplay over anything, Claiming '5 seconds is enough to do x' really isn't a good defence as not everyone is the same, 5 seconds might be enough time for one player to do something when it takes another player longer to do the same task. We should be mindful of this in situations when demanding things more so with aggression. I do understand people can get frustrated in situation however we shouldn't let this cloud our judgement as we should be aiming to make all situations enjoyable for everyone involved regardless of the outcome. 

As I've said about the handbrake for example, This wasn't even explored and in all honest I'm unsure why it wasn't followed up with another question when Keran said he cannot put his hands up in the car. Realistically you can however if you are going for a more immersive experience, On a hill in a vehicle could you simply let go and get out of a vehicle without it rolling? I get why this could of been an avenue of going down however without questioning it how would one know someone isn't valuing their life or they have a genuine reason for saying something.

Within the video there isn't any sessionheads however some names have been mentioned however without the sessionheads we couldn't just take someone's word for it I'm afraid, Not saying you are lying who was there but Chester did identify himself in the situation and it's clear he did nothing wrong in this situation. I'd say as a whole everyone seen so the male with the rose and yourself Keran could of roleplayed better between both parties, More so when you are downed. Nothing is said from either of you on the whole car ride and no /me commands we're done to enhance the situation as a whole, It was a tough watch. So with that being said take it as a warning for the ones involved that roleplay needs to be to a higher standard than this situation as a whole, Since it is poor from both parties. 

We will finish up with the person who shot in this video, Upon them arriving it's clear nothing is said and as soon as you did say a word then you was shot, Whilst there is no sessionheads upon checking I can confirm the person who shot was Nicholas Gerser, Therefore a Warning will be placed against yourself for this. 

As for the other parties involved this will be a verbal warning from this report at this time however I do hope that you take this warning seriously and improve roleplay within situations moving forward. 

 

[Stuart]

Your report has been dealt with, but perhaps not in the way you originally envisaged.

Whether this is beneficial or disadvantageous to you will depend entirely on the situation, and staff will have taken the most-appropriate action in the circumstances.