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Report a Player - Bootlegger - RDM (Resolved)

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Romly

Romly

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The Cab Stand
Your In-game name

Romly

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Bootlegger

Date of the incident

04/18/2017

Time of the incident (GMT)

1

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

Not really much to explain, we crashed. The guy got out and started shooting. Pretty funny, but after he said "I assumed the situation and reacted accordingly" or soment like that, and he wasn't willing to admit he was wrong. Also he was playing music down his mic.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXRMKORlNA
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 
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After the accidental VDM due to lag, I was apologising when I get gunned down (the man was probably just In the moment with his high intensity music) yet that's not really an excuse...

 I recall from OOC chat he attempted to get into TS later mentioning something about him not going to go on later (I believe). I said it's ok and just explained in OOC what he did was wrong, yet he showed no real care for what he did and just shrugged it off with a one word answer.

 Luckily I got revived so at the time said it's fine to him, but reconsidering this was clearly a breach of server rules and shows that he has not read the rules. Furthermore he didn't seem to care.

 
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From my point of view, I was driving on the correct side of the road at around 30-40 mph slowly due to coming into kav and the lag that happens, a car drives directly into me seemingly for no reason when it seemingly started on the correct side of the road, 3 guys inside the vehicle, 2 with camo and assault rifles, they begin to jump out, I assumed I was getting jacked or something as it isn't the first time it's happened, so I pulled my pistol out and immediately shot to defend myself, 3v1, I didn't want to wait for them to get their scopes up. Due to the music I didn't hear any voice's, that part is my bad. But I felt I read the situation quite well and further more responded well to the chat when asked to come to Ts3.

I explained I couldn't join Ts3 due to identity security level, and so I actually discussed the entire incident in full whilst in-game with one of the 3 involved, so that's more of a one word answer. I believe an admin was present during this time also, or at least I think it was an admin, after he kept asking me to join Ts3. I also took quite a bit of responsibility for the incident, so please don't try make out like I was ignoring rules and showed no interest in the matter. That in itself is a twat move and I've just lost all respect you permanently. The fact you report it to the forums as well after agreeing in-game the situation had been handled after I apologised whilst being understanding of your poor driving skills and seemingly bad intentions. 

You sir, are a waste of oxygen.

 
1. We came out with our weapons holstered.

2. I couldn't care less that you don't respect me. I respect 5 Gum more than you.

3. There only admin was an undercover cop that didn't arrest me because of the RDM.

4. We didn't agree on anything.

 
Good to know you're willing to lie because you dislike me due to once bad incident. I won't respond any further, there's enough information for the admins to make a decision.

Edit: Someone from your group of 3 did agree.

 
You said that we came out with weapons which were holstered, you shot us. But you still shot the unarmed man in the car? If the double RDM isn't enough for you...

(2.7) Trolling - playing music in any chat or on teamspeak

All I will say. 

One more thing. Last one I promise. I thought it was appropriate due to one of my previous comments.

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Wasn't going to comment further but it seems I'll need to, to correct your mistakes and to ensure I'm well defended against lies etc.

Firstly, I haven't and won't watch the video.

Secondly, I lost health on the crash, screen went slightly blurry, I did state earlier that 3v1 and a very high chance of getting jacked, I didn't want to give you all a chance to get position on me and draw weapons, I felt threatened, so I defended myself, period. If it was a genuine threat and I did nothing whilst 3 guys got into position, that would just be stupid, I've been jacked on this server twice so far and merely avoided a third. This situation would of been a 4th had it actually happened.

Next time, pay attention as to where you're driving as to avoid these types of situations in the future, and the unarmed man in the car, if it was a threat and I was getting jacked, what? Do I go easy on the guy without a weapon because he simply doesn't carry one? Or at least one I can see, no, he's obviously part of your crew, therefore part of the threat.

Regarding the music, it's nothing to do with trolling, it's a roleplaying server, I have music playing in my vehicle sometimes, end of discussion.

@Admin, please lock this thread and review when you see fit, this current discussion is pointless, I'm literally defending myself against a team who're already established on the server and most likely already have the upper hand due to that fact. They appear to have a very short sighted approach in terms of open mindedness and understanding and are seemingly unable to view the situation from other's point of view.

Thanks.

 
Little confused with this report to an extent. @CMO Jackdevo I remember reading the chat last night when you stated this 'Bootlegger I am fine now. Please be aware of the RDM rule and rule regarding soundboards. You can re-read the rules at Roleplay.co.uk :)' As you was with @Romly I thought you both wanted it left like that.

@Bootlegger I remember trying to explain to you a few times how to come onto our teamspeak, When you try and connect you can update the security level there however it will take a few minutes. Anywho moving onto the report itself.

Would you all be willing to talk it out in Teamspeak as it did seem as if it was sorted last night? I will await the responses from all three of you before commenting again.

 
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You are correct Stuart. After reconsidering it was a bit silly of me to continue with trying to get this report actioned. I am happy from my side that this report can be closed, and I am sure Romly will agree with the decision. @Bootlegger if you need any advice on rules, money making etc you can join our TS and ask me, I will happily help. One thing I would ask though, if this report is fully closed I really would like Bootlegger to reread upon the rules he broke. I understand that he knows them now but it seems as though he may need to refresh on the rules a bit.

 
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Happy for it to be closed as I thought it already had been after last nights chat.

Nevertheless, I'm just glad an admin, in this case "Stuart" was there and remembers a key part of the chat last night, I can only imagine if he didn't the 3 amigo's would stand firm accusing me of ignoring rules and showing no interest in the matter, the change in attitude having seen the admins response shows that not only are you untrustworthy and two-faced, you have a cowardly streak in you, congratulations.

And no thanks @CMO Jackdevo, if I need help I'll find it else where, as I mentioned, I've lost all respect for you and don't wish to generate any type of friendship. In the words of Al Murray,

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@Stuart I managed to figure the security issue out regarding Ts3. All sorted.

 
I am beginning to doubt your position here...You seem to not respect rules ingame nor members of the community when they offer you advice? I am personally intrigued by your lack of respect towards myself and my friends, after all within game we could of lost lots of money due to your carelessness. Luckily that wasn't the case. 

 I must emphasise that although we did say it was fine over OOC we are still not obliged to take your answer in that chat as final, and can still take our concerns to these forums if we feel as though you still didn't understand or care about your actions.

  It is starting to become more clear that you simply did not care about this rule break? And are beginning to have personal issues regarding this matter. I ask that you stop trying to offend members of our community, or insult them even after breaching rules.

If still open to the idea, I would love to speak in teamspeak with this person as I truly do not believe that he cares about the rules he broke, and I would like to resolve his personal issues with me in a more professional manner than attempted insults other these forms.

 I will no longer post here unless necessary.

 
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I personally don't care what you think or believe, I dislike you purely for the way you've handled this entire incident. I don't "have" to like you. You appear cowardly, two-faced, a liar and now seemingly driven on painting me as a negative person. Those are my impressions of you, if there's a rule stating people aren't allowed to express their feelings, thoughts, so on and so forth then I'll retract it all, otherwise, it is what it is. FYI, I've already asked for help regarding several things thus far, and I've had replies from various people, all of which I have thanked kindly in-game in real time. 

To simplify it, why should I respect someone who has blatantly lied which could result in me getting kicked for x amount of time and/or possibly banned. I respect those who haven't done something to lose it, and technically I believe it was your fault due to careless driving, not mine, I reacted to a situation caused by your and your mates, whether the reaction was perfect or not.

Saying it was fine and all sorted over chat in-game, and then coming to the forums to try and get me punished without me knowing about it, is cowardly, sticking to your guns so to speak until an admin clarify's what I have been saying earlier then you suddenly change your tune, which enforces my lack of respect towards you.

I clearly understand what's happened, I apologised in-game and from my messages via this thread it's clear I'm not intentionally ignoring rules or showing total disregard for the situation and people involved, you don't see me saying anything negative towards, Stuart? That's because he hasn't done anything to deserve it.

And judging by your last message to which I am responding, you do indeed seem focused on trying to paint me as a negative person, I'm simply defending myself, and showing the appropriate level of respect for all those involved. You offered help, I declined. Get over it.

Over to you Stuart, feel free to lock this thread. I'm confident enough has been said and it's "finally" resolved.

 
Ok lets avoid this getting in to a heated personal debate, as these things can be dealt with over TS if necessary...

Current Situation Event Outline:

I said its fine ingame, however my mate clearly felt there was an issue with the situation and therefor posted this reported. I posted my side of the events and decide to continue the report regardless of my OOC chat due to the situation being unacceptable.

Stuart posted his side of the events with regards to the OOC chat and I agreed with his statement and later try to give you the benefit of the doubt within this report.

Your previous response to me showed your lack of respect for myself even by you using insulting language. 

 Myself and Romly would of officially closed this report, however it is clear you do not take any of this seriously.

For the further reviewing staff member of this post, take into consideration the following:

Within the situation I accidentally crashed into him, we jump out with holstered weapons and intend to apologise to later get RDM'ed by a man blasting music, with no intent to roleplay.

Please note the following rule breaches 2.2 , 2.7 , and further 12.1 due to lack of common sense when responding to his own forum report with sarcastic comments and videos intended to clearly troll.

 I wish to speak no further here as it will not get anywhere. I would herby like to keep tis report open, as per it was originally intended - This is not due to any personal issues as I still reman in a neutral standpoint regardless of his feelings, however his attitude is extremely unprofessional considering the extent of the report and clearly this man shows no remorse for the situation at hand. No apolagies have even been attempted from his side, all we have received in turn for the poor roleplay, soundboard trolling and RDM is a sarcastic 'NoNo video' from youtube and also him stating that I am a "Coward" and that he has no respect for me.

My final point in this thread: If you have no respect for me after you RDM me, Troll Me, and personally insult me, later to give sarcastic report comments, I can only hope for other community members you may encounter. End of my side of the story, if @Romly or Jackmann want to give any other sides of the argument feel free. Also, a teamspeak conversation would not work n my opinion, as this man respects none of the people involved and has shown no remorse for his actions.

 
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It's ironic you claim I am trolling, even though you friend "Romly" was the one who initially posted a video in response? Yet I am not allowed to do so? At least mine was funny.

As Romly stated: 
                              " 1. We came out with our weapons holstered.

                               2. I couldn't care less that you don't respect me. I respect 5 Gum more than you.

                              3. There only admin was an undercover cop that didn't arrest me because of the RDM.

                             4. We didn't agree on anything."

Let's take a closer look shall we?

1. I already explained why I opened fire upon you 3, read the above posts which clearly indicated why and what my thoughts and intentions were.

2. Mutual lack of respect, yet I am the one who's being disrespectful, and worryingly to the community members in general? Apparently. Doesn't seem accurate. Respect goes both ways. Just because I admit I have a lack of respect for you doesn't make me disrespectful, it makes me honest.

3. The only admin was the undercover cop? I truthfully don't know about this, whether Stuart was the undercover cop or not, it's possibly true, most probably false though judging from what we've seen so far. But don't hold me to it.
4. This has already been proven to be a lie.

That's Romly in a nut-shell regarding this specific thread. Yet the admins are meant to take anything Romly says on-board as the truth and regarded as accurate feedback? 

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I've clearly stated more than once, my thought process regarding the incident, which kind of proves that me having a total lack of respect and disregard for the rules and the community members, is inaccurate.

I've clearly demonstrated respect for all members I've been in contact with, apart from those I don't respect, namely you and your mate. And it's not like I've even been abusive, I've simply indicated I don't like or respect you. And frankly, I think I have good reason.

As it's a RP server, I haven't actually trolled anyone, I play music when driving sometimes during a farming mission to make money. That and I enjoy listening to music, in-fact, I've even had positive feedback from civilians and police members about my music choice during random encounters, I never play it loud as to block people communicating, the incident last night, the music was left on because it all happened so fast, I was under the impression I was being jacked, no pun intended, turning my music off wasn't exactly the highest priority during that specific moment. Read the above posts to discover what my priority was as I've already mentioned, I'm not typing it out again.

I quote, you: 
" revious response to me showed your lack of respect for myself even by you using insulting language. 

 Myself and Romly would of officially closed this report, however it is clear you do not take any of this seriously. "

It's not like I'm trying to hide my lack of disrespect towards you, I'm not a coward. And it's hardly insulting language, how old are you? It seems like you're pulling out all the tricks to try and actually get me in trouble.

If I wasn't taking it seriously I wouldn't put the required amount of effort in to show that I am indeed serious about it, which in turn shows my respect for the rules and the current situation.

Also, you agree to end and close this report, then after my reply in accordance with the agreement, you decide to leave it open, yet claim it's nothing to do with being personal, clearly that's false, this has become very personal for you, and frankly, that IS YOUR problem.

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@Stuart / Admins:
I trust you've read and witnessed enough to make an informed decision regarding this matter. Personally I don't wish to speak to Jack or his mate again via the forums or teamspeak, if I stumble across them in-game over 2 servers of 150 players each, I will RP if they instigate it, sure. After all that's been said within this thread, if the other party thinks a teamspeak discussion is necessary, then frankly, you must take action again me due to not showing up for the headache-worthy discussion. This is already beyond ridiculous.

I don't wish for a headache, it seems clear he is either unwilling to accept the facts and he has a negative outlook on me and therefore is focused on seeing me punished for one reason or another and paint me as a villainous person, or, he doesn't understand any of this and has a negative outlook on me and therefore is focused on seeing me punished for one reason or another and paint me as a villainous person. I'm already bored of defending myself and trying to make things as simple as possible to that he doesn't continue to misunderstand, seemingly.

If I get banned, I'll deal with it, although I don't think I should as I've done nothing ban-worthy. But I'm confident I'll refuse the teamspeak talk, it just sounds like an unnecessary headache. Like, seriously. 

On the plus side and to summarise my character and intentions for this server and community. I engage common sense frequently, I respect the rules all those who don't do something to lose respect. I will also go over the rules to gain a better understanding, currently not checked the rules, I left common sense at the helm to get me by with understanding the term "roleplay", this was an unfortunate incident. Reason for not previously checking the rules out, is because I wanted to see what the server was like in general before dedicating a little time to familiarise myself with T&C's. ^^

Yawn. - No, that isn't a sign of disrespect, it's late where I am and I'm tired, hence a "Yawn" indicating I'm tired and I'm done with this thread. (Nip that one in the bud so to speak)

 
Okay, this has gone way too far. There's no denying that in the original incident you where in the wrong. Car crash or not, no one was killed and we got out to apologise. Luckily as mentioned in one of @CMO Jackdevo's threads, they were revived. I'm very temped to carry on this situation because I don't think that people that behave how you have demonstrated, don't fit into this very mature and friendly community.

I originally started this report because you didn't sort it out in-game despite your false claims. You simply said something like "I assumed the situation and reacted."

However. This entire thread is a waste of the @Stuart's time and you've embarrassed yourself, and given yourself a very poor starting reputation. I think that's a good enough punishment. 

Rommers, out.

 
Just so I am reading it right @Romly, You happy to have this report closed as resolved? Will await the response before putting mine on this report.

 
Stu, stop embarrassing me, I said "Rommers out!"...

Do what you think is needed

Rommers out!

 
Thank you for letting me know @Romly. Where you said 'Rommers Out' again just wanted to be sure as you didn't state what you wanted to do as in the previous response you mentioned you 'Were in tempted to carry on the report also' hence the clarification was needed. 

Moving onto the discussion between @CMO Jackdevo & @Bootlegger within this topic. Personally some of the arguements that you both were having could of been talked about and in all honestly like I said in my previous topic it did seem like this report was needed 'Just my opinion' as there was mixed messages being given. I will however suggest in future Jack & Romly if you are going to post up a report on someone after talking with them please make it clear to them what your intentions are.

Moving onto some of the points. '3. There only admin was an undercover cop that didn't arrest me because of the RDM. This wan't myself also not to sure why this bit was added as during this report this had nothing to do with the report. 

Lets talk about the 'Trolling claim'. Now some may see this could be seen as trolling however look from another perspective for a moment. Bootlegger was driving a vehicle and within a real car you would have music on. To be honest I wouldn't see that from the videos given it isn't trolling. Going to touch regarding the RDM. Bootlegger this was RDM and is bannable to do, Just because people have guns doesn't mean you can just go around shooting people. You do have to roleplay and they would of had to initiate on you before shooting eitherway. 

I would suggest reading over the rules so you understand them. Yes there are alot of rules however we do expect players to know the basic rules from the get go. Like I said there are alot of rules and most in all honesty you will understand better over time however if you do have any questions regarding the rules you are more than welcome to join teamspeak and come to the 'Join for Support' rooms and a Staff member will always be happy to assist you!

As this is resolved I will be denying this report as such. No punishment will be given out however please take into consideration what I have said above.

Denied.

 
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