Report a Player - ALYX - RDM

[nevin]

Your In-game name

PC Nevin

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

ALYX

Date of the incident

12/27/2016

Time of the incident (GMT)

300

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

well i heard gunshots up the road and went to investigate , when i arrived there i seen trucks abandoned and someone with a gun killing someone at the back of the building and running up hill so i chased him . I lost him at the top of the hill i was going to turn around and head back down the hill when i was shot in the face with no rp before hand .

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFWfhqEGlF0
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

I would like to note that i did speak to him in teamspeak but in my eyes it wasn't  resolved . He does not understand what he did was wrong . 10 min before hand he was in ts speaking with a DGST long-beard about  rdming him and all the rules relating RDM were explained to him which he then said he understands  .   

 

[LONG BEARD]

Supplemental : Prior to @nevin's encounter, myself and a couple of CSO's approached the HMP to checkout a possible jailbreak. Our vehicle came under fire from range as we approached and I was killed by Alyx. We asked Alyx to come into liaison for a chat and he convinced me he was new to the server and didn't understand the RDM rule.  I took some time to explain the rules and I advised 'in layman's terms' that he cannot under any circumstances shoot at people without first engaging in some form of clear RP. We resolved the issue on the basis that he would go and familiarise himself with the rules and that he wouldn't do it again. I also advised him if he did do it again there was a high chance he could face a ban from the server.

As you can see from the video provided by Nevin, only 10 or 20 mins had passed before he was at it again. Whilst I didn't observe side chat, Nevin also explained to me afterwards that he had seen side chat showing Alyx killing a few other people before he himself was RDM'd. I note also there is another active report https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/76102-report-a-player-alyx-rdm/

I spoke to Alyx for a second time in Liason with Nevin in attendance and Alyx gave the same story that he didn't understand the RDM rules and was very sorry. Given the fact I spelled the rules out to him in our previous liason room discussion, I'm confident he was aware of what he was doing.  I did record the liason room discussions and will be happy to provide them if necessary. 

 

[_Alyx]

Hello. As you know recently I have been reported for "RDM". I'm only here to give my side of the story to resolve this, not to argue or have a dispute. Anyway, before Long Beard and PC Nevin showed up to the scene, me and my friend mugged and pulled over a person. Whilst the mugging occurred, my friend was killed behind by a citizen with a handgun, therefore I killed him as an act of self defence. Another player then tried to shoot his gun at me and I shot him dead. Then, I thought there was 1 more player left who was the first victim's friend - I saw him in a vehicle earlier and only saw a glimpse of his black outfit. (Couldn't make out from the distance, he was earlier on the side of the road but drove past a house and didn't see him again.) The people who died at this point were the victim of the mugging, the person who killed my friend and the other guy with him whom from which had died; leading me to run away. (also my friend) As I ran around the brick wall, I saw someone pull out their gun because I could see with Alt. I was frightened of losing my expensive gear and I ran over the hill. At this point, I thought it was the first victim's friend I saw earlier on with his gun out ready to shoot me on sight, so I hid in a bush near a wooden house. The person who appeared to have a black outfit stood in front of me with his gun out, so I was threatened and shot straight away, presuming it was the guy's friend from earlier. Sadly it wasn't and I had mistaken him for a Police Officer called Nevin.

I was in the wrong at this point, and I instantly realized that and felt really guilty. I can understand that from the video, there is clear evidence of me killing an officer without initiation, however I didn't know that he was an officer and I had mistaken him for someone else (stated above). From his reaction to this, I can instantaneously say that I am very deeply sorry Nevin for the trouble I caused. I did not mean to shoot you at all and I was threatened and thought you were the guy's friend.

I would like to note that i did speak to him in teamspeak but in my eyes it wasn't  resolved

I am not here to argue, I really do want this resolved. Prior to your response, I then went onto team speak to resolve the matter (despite the fact I didn't see the two messages pop up on my screen so that's my bad for the 3 minute late reaction.) On team speak, after a hefty discussion and talking to, I asked you "How can we resolve this?". I am pretty sure I said that, and if Long Beard puts the recording on this page then I can show you because I did ask how we can. No-one answered the question and due to the fact I said I am deeply sorry many times and I listened to everything and complied, you still didn't answer the question to resolve it. (I requested to)

After all of that, I am still to this minute, second, very sorry Nevin and to you too Long Beard for the agro I caused throughout this situation.

I spoke to Alyx for a second time in Liason with Nevin in attendance and Alyx gave the same story that he didn't understand the RDM rules and was very sorry

I am very aware that you believe that I didn't understand the rules and I broke them; I respect that but in my point of view, what I did was wrong, I wanted to resolve it and it didn't happen, instead I am here having to give my side of the case. Anyway, in the game I made a Mistake and I am very sorry for that, but everyone does make mistakes at some point, we all have. I had mistaken Nevin for another person, hence his death which I can't stress how much I regret it. In the quote you said "Alyx gave me the same story that he didn't understand the RDM rule and was very sorry", however I didn't state that all. I did state that I was confused when they thought I RDM'ed as I didn't know who Nevin was and the first time around. But when I tried to shoot shots at Long Beard and he died, it was an RDM, but I thought that's what you do when you were breaking someone out of jail as I was new. After all this debate went down, I took an hour out of my time to go through the rules and read them thoroughly, making sure I was not going to do so again. It got to the point where I understood the rules and I went through the whole day and night without breaking a rule and still haven't. I have tried my hardest to RP in every situation and I have now finally understood the rules properly. I try to speak to everyone, I even tell people like my friends if they are doing poor RP or not paying attention to the rules but all I can really say is that I am deeply sorry and it will not happen again.

I respect your case Nevin and I respect Long Beard for putting the time to respond to the case for evidence, but all I lastly want to say is that I am extremely sorry for what I have done. As a consequence, I will not do any illegal activity on the server for as long as you wish if you want me to, including mugging, killing, hostage situations or drug trafficking, and I will get rid of my weapon with my firearm as well.

Last of all, thank you for reading my case, and hopefully we can resolve this once and for all as this is getting out of hand and I 100% put my hands up to that. This will never happen again 110%

Sorry.

Regards,

- Alex. (Have fun on the island) 

Hope you had a nice Christmas, and if this leads to my ban then Happy New Year to everyone. 

 

[LONG BEARD]

Hi Alyx. Unique situation here as tonight, almost 24h after the incident Neven reported in this post, reports came in from @Mitch Conner that he'd been shot at without any form of initiation. When we arrived, we had officers go down, with you and your friend Paul being the perpetrators. I myself was again killed by you. I didn't realise it was you until your name popped up in side chat. Moving on.....

"Alyx gave me the same story that he didn't understand the RDM rule and was very sorry", however I didn't state that all. I did state that I was confused when they thought I RDM'ed as I didn't know who Nevin was and the first time around.

I listened back to my recording of that conversation. Here's a word for word transcript.

Nevin : Why in the name of Jesus did you RDM me like that?
Alyx : I was intimidated.
Nevin : You were intimidated by the police?
Alyx : You had a gun.
Nevin : Do you realise you have to initiate with the police, you weren't in an a gunfight with the police.
Alyx : I don't get it.
Long Beard : Alright, listen, we just had a chat about 10 minutes ago, I explained it to you in detail.
Alyx : I know, it still doesn't make sense, I honestly don't get it.

 

I did ask how we can. No-one answered the question and due to the fact I said I am deeply sorry many times and I listened to everything and complied, you still didn't answer the question to resolve it. (I requested to)

This isn't the case. I concluded we couldn't resolve it because you still didn't seem to understand the RDM rule.  You state no one answered the question, however I explained to you that I'd chat things through with Nevin in private and we'd discuss how we'd proceed. Unfortunately, sometimes situations can't simply be resolved with an 'Im sorry', especially if we accepted that apology the 1st time. 

Since this is now the 3rd incident with you killing multiple police officers without any form of initiation, and I've spent a considerable amount of time dealing with the aftermath, I'm going to bow out and let the staff support team review the report. 

   

 

[_Alyx]

Hi Alyx. Unique situation here as tonight, almost 24h after the incident Neven reported in this post, reports came in from @Mitch Conner that he'd been shot at without any form of initiation. When we arrived, we had officers go down, with you and your friend Paul being the perpetrators. I myself was again killed by you. I didn't realise it was you until your name popped up in side chat. Moving on.....

I listened back to my recording of that conversation. Here's a word for word transcript.

Nevin : Why in the name of Jesus did you RDM me like that?
Alyx : I was intimidated.
Nevin : You were intimidated by the police?
Alyx : You had a gun.
Nevin : Do you realise you have to initiate with the police, you weren't in an a gunfight with the police.
Alyx : I don't get it.
Long Beard : Alright, listen, we just had a chat about 10 minutes ago, I explained it to you in detail.
Alyx : I know, it still doesn't make sense, I honestly don't get it.

 

This isn't the case. I concluded we couldn't resolve it because you still didn't seem to understand the RDM rule.  You state no one answered the question, however I explained to you that I'd chat things through with Nevin in private and we'd discuss how we'd proceed. Unfortunately, sometimes situations can't simply be resolved with an 'Im sorry', especially if we accepted that apology the 1st time. 

Since this is now the 3rd incident with you killing multiple police officers without any form of initiation, and I've spent a considerable amount of time dealing with the aftermath, I'm going to bow out and let the staff support team review the report. 

   

Ok I understand that you took a "part" of that script out and put it in as evidence but don't forget as it was late I did not speak a lot to respect my family. I didn't want them waking up. Yes I do ask "How can we resolve it" because I remember you then saying Long Beard that "It's not about you resolving it" then carrying on to explain the mistake I made. I am sure that I had mistaken Nevin for another person and I fully swear down but that's all I have to say. I can't debate anything else as I do not have evidence. 

The first incident I put my hands up completely, I was new and didn't understand the rule and you explained it to me.

The second incident followed onto the first about 10 minutes later, the civilians and people we mugged played a long to the RP and they didn't complain about it. 

The third "incident" that you call it WAS NOT on my behalf. One of your police officers blatantly shot me when me and Paul where robbing a person. I alted to look and someone in full black shot at me, running to the hill to get cover. 3 minutes later after that, I run to the hill and flank, only to find the person dressed in FULL BLACK lieing down behind a tree, so I killed him and Paul killed the other that shot at us again. The other officer there stated that I did nothing wrong and it was on Paul's behalf, not mine. Therefore, I am not going to take this incident as mine at all, I did nothing wrong and AFTER that, I instantly went to teamspeak without being asked, opened a chat and requested both of you to go to the Police room. When we did, I asked you both what I have done wrong and your response was appalling. You just said really aggressively that you've had it with me. It seems you just love to hate me whenever I kill you, because you said "It takes me 30 minutes to get the stuff back". I then followed by saying "Sorry but I did nothing wrong then." and yet you still carry on trying to blame me and not my friend who joined the ts to talk about it. Funnily enough, the officer with you said I did nothing wrong. I don't want to argue or hate anyone but Long Beard, do you have a grudge against me?

I have tried nearly everything to get back on my feet and make sure everything is ok. I have read the rules thoroughly, not got in trouble at all and I try to RP to my best ability but you just don't want to accept that. I can't believe you're going out of your way to try get me banned, you might not be but it sure looks like it. I just want to have a good time on the server because at the end of the day we are here to have fun. I'm extremely sorry to both of you and it won't happen again. Whenever I make a mistake, I am very enthusiastic to find out what I have done wrong, which the other officer noticed.

Kind regards,

Alex

 

[nevin]

is it possible for who ever is dealing with this to lock it pending review or something as i do not want this to turn into he said she said or point the blame on somebody els plz .Thanks

 

[Xkan]

Funnily enough, the officer with you said I did nothing wrong.

This would be me you're reffering too. during the 3rd incident I do feel like the blame was on Paul as it was his poor initiation that led to it being RDM and you only did what your friend told you was okay to do so I don't blame you at all for the 3rd situation. you did well to message me right after the situation asking me if you broke any rules and asked me to hop into Police/rebel Liason so we could discuss. That to me showed you wanted to learn and that you want to stay on the server and stay in the community. 

as for Long Beard I can't really speak on his behalf but I'm pretty confident he dosn't hold a grudge against you, He was completely fine with the first RDM situation where he wanted to make sure you knew what you could do and what you couldn't. about 15 minutes after the first situation you're actively shooting people in kavala (Not sure if that was RDM you might have initiated proberly) and then you end up shooting Nevin, now again I do see where you're coming from and why you believe it would be ok to shoot an officer if you've shot civillians and the officer is actively looking for you with his weapon out, to be completely honest if I was new I think I would have done the same in that situation. regardless of that mind you this is 15 minutes after we've spoke and you promised us you'd read the rules and I highly doubt you read all the rules in that time, again I understand if you'd wanna keep playing instead of hopping off straight away but the rules are so extremely important here. at this point Long Beard is losing faith in you because its the second time in 15 minutes you've been pulled in for rulebreaking. The next day your friend does a poor intiation. and you both open fire on officers. Now this was on your friend for the poor initiation but here if you're both involved you both get punished. you should know better even if your friend says its okay to fire. at this point Long Beard's had enough as we had to speak to you on teamspeak AGAIN and can you really blame him? He's spending alot of time and effort on trying to teach you the rules and for you to be on teamspeak for the 3rd time in 24 hours is ridicoulous. Again the 3rd time wasn't your fault and you actually asked me and Long Beard to hop on just so we could give you feedback if you did do anything wrong. that's something I value alot, again it showed to me that I feel like you want to be in the community and you want to stay here but you have to take it from Long Beard's Perspective instead of assuming he just hates you. he's spent alot of time trying to teach you the rules and for those offences to be repeated even after all the time he invested in to you, That shouldn't happen. again you're new and I have a personal standpoint where I feel like people should be given more chances hence why I'm personally so eager to help people learn but it is NOT the police's job to teach you the rules or teach you how to play and babysit you. instead of assuming he has a grudge be grateful for him investing the time and effort into teaching you the game. remember he has absolutely no obligation to help you with rules but he still tried, keep that in mind. 

As to finish this off I do believe you're going to get punished for this as it was a clear rulebreak but I will vouch for you in your unban appeal. I honestly believe you want to learn and you want to stay here it's a huge + in my book.

 

[_Alyx]

@Xkan 2 I fully understand and respect your point. Thank you.

I want to also point out @Xkan 2 that I have not yet used any gun on the server maliciously, therefore roleplaying in every situation every time I have been on in the 2 day time span. I am getting better!!

 

[Robbie]

Accepted - Awaiting Action

One thing I will say Alyx is be careful what you are putting on side chat as well, threats to report is also against server rules. 

 

[Robbie]

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