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Will Rozier

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Your In-game Name: Will Rozier

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 802

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 05/09/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 38

What best describes this incident ?: NVL(G2.4) and Powergaming(G1.5)

Please (in detail) describe the incident:
What basically happened is that our mate called out on the radio that he had noticed someone who robbed us yesterday. This person was identified by their clothing and by the fact that they had flashed our mate's ID, which had been taken from him yesterday. We all quickly responded and drove to Pillbox where the callout was made. Upon arrival, you can see us trying to question the individual, 802, about the incident and asking him to put his hands up. It then led to 802 trying to get on a bike and drive away, at which point we had to respond by getting out weapons to stop him. After some of us pulled out melee weapons and one pulled out a gun and clearly pointed it at him, 802 decided to not value his life and pulled out his gun, ultimately leading to his inevitable death. Once we had downed 802, we decided to take him to a dodgy doctor to rob him. We laid him down next to the doctor and used the defibrillator, but he did not accept treatment for several minutes. After waiting for a couple of minutes, it became clear that he was not going to accept treatment, as seen in the clip provided you can see he says this is because we called him a baldy. Eventually, 802 purposely chose to accept treatment at the same time as he chose to respawn, which led to us spending 50k and him dying.

The first part of this scenario is a clear breach of NVL, I also beleive the second part regarding the dodgy doctor is a breach of the rules. Attached are both my clips regarding this situation, the top one being about the first part of this report and the bottom link being about the second part of this report. If you need longer parts of the clips please feel free to let me know.

1st clip: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/18uYtRmPuIK1Zz/d1337Rd3vkE6?invite=cr-MSxWUEwsMTcyNTIzMTIzLA

2nd clip: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/18v3iSetyXFfgA/d1337u3vTuvC?invite=cr-MSxMVUcsMTcyNTIzMTIzLA

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/18v3iSetyXFfgA/d1337TifVkad?invite=cr-MSxMd28sMTcyNTIzMTIzLA



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 
@Bobby Barbarian believe this is yourself got anything to say about the mater before we review?
 

 
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In the first clip, someone tackled me before any sort of roleplay, you can even hear one of the members talking about ramming me off the bike, when another made it clear that you had to talk to me first. From my POV I was tackled off the bike with no roleplay whatsoever, he ran at me and tackled me off the bike without saying a single word. Which was obvsiously to give his friends the advantage.

In the second clip where we were at dodgy doctor, I did not choose to accept treatment as one of the options were to bleed out which will be chosen after 30 seconds of inactivity which is what I wanted to do. So I was just giving a little bit of fun roleplay before that option would be chosen after 30 seconds of inactivity, but I am not sure why it did not choose the option so I stayed alive for an extra couploe minutes. One of the members then proceeded to perform medical treatment on me which at that point it had gone on long enough which is why I chose the bleed out option.

I am not sure what Tom means when he said I chose the bleed out option at the same time I chose respawn, I believe you can only do one action at a time so it is either one or the other. No such exploit was done I literally only pressed bleed out as doing so at the same time as respawning is impossible as far as im concerned. Yes you could make the argument that I did not value my life in the first clip however had the hospital gown guy did not knock me off my by with no roleplay on purpose, the situation would not have played out like that. There was also a moment in time where they did tell me to get my hands up when none of them had weapons brandished. It was only after I had tried to escape that they used weapons.

I also do not have anybodycam footage from my POV.

 
Hi Bobby, thanks for replying. I firstly wanted to talk about this that you said: 

Bobby Barbarian said:
From my POV I was tackled off the bike with no roleplay whatsoever, he ran at me and tackled me off the bike without saying a single word.
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As you would be able to tell in my POV I turned up to the situation as you was getting tackled, all I can say on this is that in the clip provided in the initial report you can hear 'Frank' (The person who tackled you) say "Nah he is just sitting here, I'm going to talk to him" which would be heard 40 seconds in the clip, this would've meant you had a 12 second conversation with him as the tackle happened 52 seconds in.  Due to me not being next to you both, I cant prove that he did actually speak to you. But you also cant prove that he didn't speak to you, and the evidence I provided leads me to think that he did.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               I also want to talk about this that you said:                                                                                                                                                                     

In the second clip where we were at dodgy doctor, I did not choose to accept treatment as one of the options were to bleed out which will be chosen after 30 seconds of inactivity which is what I wanted to do. So I was just giving a little bit of fun roleplay before that option would be chosen after 30 seconds of inactivity, but I am not sure why it did not choose the option so I stayed alive for an extra couploe minutes. One of the members then proceeded to perform medical treatment on me which at that point it had gone on long enough which is why I chose the bleed out option.
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I think choosing to 'bleed out' was a very poor decision from you, it made no sense for you to ultimately die considering the injuries you faced most likely aren't life-threatening. It also made no sense as the whole time we were at dodgy doctors you was talking to us and then suddenly you died which left us in an awkward situation. It is very clear to me that you didn't choose to accept treatment solely because you didn't want us to have your items. Bobby pretty much even admitted to this in the clip saying it was because we called him a baldie.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "I was just giving a little bit of fun roleplay before that option would be chosen after 30 seconds of inactivity", I have clips adding up to more than 5 minutes of nothing but boring RP from you, for reason stated above. It's very cheeky of you to try and claim you provided "fun roleplay", I would love for you to explain to me how you thought you did this?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 "but I am not sure why it did not choose the option so I stayed alive for an extra couploe minutes. One of the members then proceeded to perform medical treatment on me which at that point it had gone on long enough which is why I chose the bleed out option". I'm not too sure on the mechanics with the dodgy doctor as I haven't been in the situation myself, but all I can say is that it's very suspicious how we had you at dodgy doctors for well over 5 minutes and the same time  you finally accepted the treatment was also the same time you died. The only reason I'm aware of what happened is because I have read and seen it in a separate report a while back. I believe Bobby was aware of what was happening and deliberately done this to solely cost us 50k out of spite. Like I said, I'm not too sure on the mechanics of the dodgy doctor so If I'm wrong I apologies' but its just because his overall attitude during the RP and the timing led me to this decision.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           The last part of your reply which I want to mention is this: "There was also a moment in time where they did tell me to get my hands up when none of them had weapons brandished. It was only after I had tried to escape that they used weapons". I don't understand what you're getting at, you're being reported as you pulled your gun out WHEN weapons were shown and when a gun was pointed at you which led to your inevitable death.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

 
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During that "12 second window" no conversation took place, he was running around in circles talking to you lot on radio to get the green light to tackle me which was abviously when you guys arrived. No there is no evidence from my POV that he did speak to me, you will have to believe your own evidence even though you were no where near the area so you do not actually know for sure that a conversation took place, obvsiously you are going to believe your mates word over mine.

About the dodgy doctor, not everyone you take to the dodgy doctor is going to accept treatment, hence you will be put in an awkward situation. Regardless of whether I wanted you to have my items or not, there is a choice; accept treatment or deny treatment. If you really think I denied treatment because I was serious about you lot calling me baldie, I would rethink your sense of humour. Even in the clip there were giggles coming from you lot from my roleplaying, like it was just abit of banter. It honestly sounds like you were abit butthurt that you spent 50k without gaining anything in return.

It is technically impossible to do 2 things at once; you either respawn, or choose between one of the dodgy doctor options. I did not respawn at the same time as accepting treatment, I simply refused treatment.

So I am being reported for pulling out my gun as there was weapons pointed at me, surely this would be NVL, why is powergaming also in the rulebreak?

Yes you could argue I did not value my life, but before I tried to escape none of you had weapons out and still told me to put my hands up "unless I do wanna get killed". That is kind of poor considering you cannot really threaten anyone with death unless you have an actual weapon out. It also escalated into the situation it became, I do believe it would have played out differently had your friend not tackle me straight away with no RP and maybe you lot could have come and then spoke to me and hands me up properly.

 
During that "12 second window" no conversation took place, he was running around in circles talking to you lot on radio to get the green light to tackle me which was abviously when you guys arrived. No there is no evidence from my POV that he did speak to me, you will have to believe your own evidence even though you were no where near the area so you do not actually know for sure that a conversation took place, obvsiously you are going to believe your mates word over mine.
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This is just unnecessary as we will just go in circles, I stated my view on this earlier and stand by it. I want to make it clear even IF he didn't speak to you it doesn't allow you to then go on and breach G2.4 which is what you done.  A quote from Bobby Barbarian earlier ~ "Yes you could make the argument that I did not value my life in the first clip however had the hospital gown guy did not knock me off my by with no roleplay on purpose, the situation would not have played out like that". This is clear ownership of the rule break. 

Bobby Barbarian said:
About the dodgy doctor, not everyone you take to the dodgy doctor is going to accept treatment, hence you will be put in an awkward situation. Regardless of whether I wanted you to have my items or not, there is a choice; accept treatment or deny treatment
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This is true, but my point is that in RP it made no sense for you to deny treatment as your injuries wasn't fatal and because you was conscious/speaking the whole time while being downed. This is why it has led me to believe you done it solely to stop us getting your items. 

Bobby Barbarian said:
It is technically impossible to do 2 things at once; you either respawn, or choose between one of the dodgy doctor options. I did not respawn at the same time as accepting treatment, I simply refused treatment.
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Like I said previously, I'm not too sure on these mechanics so I will leave this bit for the staff to work out. I just want to make it clear we was attempting to provide Bobby treatment for well over 5 minutes and at the same time the animations started happening which I believe proves the treatment has been accepted, Bobby choose to respawn. Like I stated earlier I think he done this on purpose to cost us 50k. Now if this is the case I believe this would be power gaming.  

Bobby Barbarian said:
So I am being reported for pulling out my gun as there was weapons pointed at me, surely this would be NVL, why is powergaming also in the rulebreak?
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You're being reported for NVL for which I believe you're fully aware of breaching. I have also accused you of power gaming for the reasons stated above for which a staff member will have to confirm or deny a breach has been made. 

Bobby Barbarian said:
Yes you could argue I did not value my life, but before I tried to escape none of you had weapons out and still told me to put my hands up "unless I do wanna get killed". That is kind of poor considering you cannot really threaten anyone with death unless you have an actual weapon out.
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Actually yes we can threaten you to death without any weapons out, would you of had to listen to us at that current point in time? No, hence why you didn't and tried to get on your bike and leave. This whole point from you is meaningless, and I believe it's a poor attempt by you to deflect away from the fact that you didn't value your life when the weapons WERE finally drawn. 

 
Theres alot I could say on your response, but as you said before we would just be going round in circles. You have made your point I have made mine, we will wait until an admin steps in.

 
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@ItsJustTom03Thank you for making this report, I have reviewed the footage that you have provided for NVL and this is what I will be dealing with for now.

Whilst people are stood around the individual they do not or pose a threat, they are not holding weapons nor showing any, there is a cluster of people then tackling each others.

There is then what seems to be a 1 v 1 and the other player takes the chance to roll back and shoot, this was a chance he took with others present, who then pulled weapons and downed him.

I do not consider this NVL as he was NOT at a clear disadvantage, I hope you understand the decision.

Denied. 

 
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