Report a player - 783 - GTA RP

[DS Jeremy Dent]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Jenson Ward

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 783

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 05/01/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 2330

What best describes this incident ?: NVL/FAIL RP

Please (in detail) describe the incident: First and foremost this is in no way shape or form a revenge report

After browsing the market place in pursuit of an SVR i could not find one, so i made a looking for post on there instead.. shortly after i receive a call from 783 offering an svr for 800k, i tell him i don't have that much and we agree on 500k, i am fully aware scamming is a legit thing with in city law, and to an extent was expecting it. however i had taken precautions for this. I had my friend john outside in the Tesla and i radio d him to make him aware that the scam had taken place. (he was there for this reason).. after a short foot chase i landed a blow on the scammer and knocked him down, whilst he was on the floor i withdrew the machete telling him to give the money back, he somehow zoomed off the floor and past me to which i replied with hitting him with the machete, had he have valued his life he would not have ran away and would have surrendered.. his friends were hovering around somewhere and could have assisted him but they didn't.. this shut down any further role play from taking place as its clear he doesn't care so much for the role play, he just wanted the cash.. after slashing him with the machete he failed to rp any injuries and continued to get in the car and run me down.. also for note i would have for sure incapacitated him but unfortunately city issues meant john backed over me in the Tesla, in his eyes that didn't happen.. I didn't take it to d mail as i was quite annoyed at what had happened and didn't see how a 'talk' would have helped. His Session ID was obtained during a test drive, i can share this information if needed

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):

https://youtu.be/xtZjKyHMV5o
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[warren akpom]

that man that was there with him here. I did not know he was slashed.

in my eyes you tried to get in the drivers door you had hold off the door handle in my eyes. when he drove off you went fell and got incapacitated.

I understand what you mean when you say you slashed him but in that situation a lot off people would have kept running to there car.

I was aware he was scamming you but not off the slash.

I apologise on my behalf I did not know it turned out like that.

apoligies. 

 

[GENERALLL]

Hi there, I was the one in the car and my man was waiting behind me. I scammed you and I ran. At no point did I try to take your life because this would be seen as power gaming. For the main part you pulled out your machete and tried to hit me. At no point did you say anything and in that state I was having a adrenalin rush and you tried to slice me from the back. My friend was right behind you ready to take action if things went south. When you grabbed my door handle my head was a little fuzzy and I can show video evidence for that. However you grabbed my handle and got your self incapacitated. You stated I didn't rp my injuries just to make it clear you was incapacitated. When you told you friend chase me why didn't you rp your injuries?  You didn't try to speak to me via discord or anything. 

 

[DS Jeremy Dent]

Hi there, I was the one in the car and my man was waiting behind me. I scammed you and I ran. At no point did I try to take your life because this would be seen as power gaming. For the main part you pulled out your machete and tried to hit me. At no point did you say anything and in that state I was having a adrenalin rush and you tried to slice me from the back. My friend was right behind you ready to take action if things went south. When you grabbed my door handle my head was a little fuzzy and I can show video evidence for that. However you grabbed my handle and got your self incapacitated. 

First things first. this report is not for me getting incapped, i tried to enter your car to continue the rp, i got ran over that's my bad, this report is being issued for the reasons stated above.. Said issues being the NVL, you were on the floor at a clear disadvantage, although i did not state i had a machete, it was clear that one was pulled by my self. Secondly you were still accessing the the parked vehicles whilst on the floor. thirdly you were clearly slashed and completely failed to RP those injuries, i understand there may have been issues with in the city at the time.. without seeing your perspective i cant comment on that. It just seems that this interaction was fueled by a need for money.. i care more for the RP than anything else.. This interaction was just a low ball tactic to walk away 500k richer, i feel the RP from yourselves should have been much higher seeing as it cost so much.. another reason i believe this interaction was 'about the money' is because you even asked for an additional 20k.

 

[GENERALLL]

Lets get things straight first. You didn't speak to me via discord first. Your saying I didn't rp my injuries when you clearly didn't. I didn't even see the machete when you pulled it out and in that state when you did I was running anyways. if the machete would of been pulled whilst you were still you would get it but the fact u were in the process of escaping would of meant stopping would of been nvl in itself. If your running and someone stabs you initiation has occurred you escaping preserved your life. Im sorry that things didn't turn in your favour but that's what happens in rp not everything goes your way. here is my POV which can show all the adrenalin rush and the running.

 

[DS Jeremy Dent]

I didn't rp my injuries when you clearly didn't

..how would you know? You left the scene for obvious reasons.

You didn't speak to me via discord first

Have you actually read my report?

here is my POV which can show all the adrenalin rush and the running

You haven't Linked anything?

 

[GENERALLL]

I know you didn't rp your injuries because I saw your pov. You stated me asking for a extra 20k but this is not me breaking a rule. Scamming is allowed. when you hit me you didn't have a machete out. You didn't even say anything apart from give the cash back when it was clearly transferred to me. When you slashed me from your pov I was still next to the parking thing and in my pov I was next to the car. I feel like this rp wasn't bad and it didn't go your way.

POV. https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/17qx4ApSgRHTZt/d1337aipVbve?invite=cr-MSxNenQsMTU3MTE1MTQ3LA

 

[DS Jeremy Dent]

I have nothing else to say on the matter, I refuse to go around in circles. the RP was terrible simple as that. 2 or 3 word sentences do not constitute high standards of RP.. will leave it with staff

 

[GENERALLL]

I don’t want to go around in circles either. You state it was terrible rp because it didn’t turn in your favor. You used in city context for out of city context calling me a “scum” in OOC. Explain to me how is me running away when you don’t have your mele and then you pull it out while I’m running and then slash me from the back. Your head was moving all over the place so you wasn’t even next to me in my eyes. With that being said you I was running then you slashed me and chased me blurting out “give my money give my money” the NVL rule states if you are outnumbered and at clear disadvantage you should value your life. Just to make it clear you didn’t even put the machete to me in fact when you pulled it out and started chasing me you wasn’t even next to me. You slashed me while running. If I had been stood still and you pulled out the machete and I ran away that would fall under NVL. However I was already running before you pulled the machete and in my eyes/pov you can see that I didn’t even see it until I got to my SVR. My first thought when you got incapacitated was my friend hit you with the bat. However it was later cleared from your pov I ran you over. You state that it was for the greed of money but your character is based of a scammer in the city. When I scammed you my intention was to take the money and run. In what state of mind does someone just get the car of the scammer? I could literally just have locked you and took you to a place and killed you even though you wanted to get in the car. Does that necessarily mean you breached the rule and didn’t value your life? With that being said I had my men waiting on the outside if things went south and one of my men was waiting on the bench with a bat. Like I said before Im sorry things didn’t turn in your favor  but I’ll leave it to the staff to decide. 

 

[Slawek]

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[Slawek]

Hello there,

Let's have a look at this then, 

knocked him down, whilst he was on the floor i withdrew the machete telling him to give the money back

When i read that i wasn't sure we were watching the same video to be honest. You knocked him down after saying "don't be a prick". You then pull the machete out as he is getting up, you then try to hit him with it after saying "telling you now, don't be fucking stupid". 

this shut down any further role play from taking place

To be honest here, to me it looks like you are the one shutting down further roleplay. You attacking him with very little hostile roleplay between you, he scammed you, yes, but that does not give you a right to smack him after only saying "don't be a prick", like, what is he meant to do to avoid that? It seems that no matter what he would have been punched by you. Then you instantly hit him with the machete without saying much, other then "give me my money" and giving him only a few seconds to react, around 4 to be precise. You were recording, there is so much roleplay that could be had via a court case, possibly looking for him via people you know, little manhunt etc. Instead your choice was to slash him right there with minimum hostile RP taking place.

2 or 3 word sentences do not constitute high standards of RP

See, you said it yourself, this is the ironic bit, you are the one attacking him, as per server rules high quality RP is meant to be provided before attacking, yet all you say is "don't be a prick".

When you slashed me from your pov I was still next to the parking thing and in my pov I was next to the car.

This is the whole explanation for the original reason for the report, it's just desync, you can see in his POV that he was a fair distance away from you when you pulled a machete, would not call that being at a clear disadvantage.

Let's sum it up then,

When it comes to the origin of the report, i see that the cause for that is desync, nothing else. When it comes to him running after he got hit, you'd be surprised what adrenaline can do, it's a game mechanic, if he is hit bad enough the game will slow him down, if he isn't, he can run.

When it comes to you attacking him. This is where i see an issue, as you stated yourself some 2 or 3 words do not count as high quality roleplay, which has to take place before hostile action is taken. You even had a friend there with one of the fastest cars on the server, you could have chased him down, had some more action or just sued him, he left plenty of space for further roleplay to take place, instead you decided to try to cut corners to down him as soon as possible without putting much effort in.

What i also dislike is you calling him scum in OOC, we have to remember to seperate our characters and what they do from the players behind them, just because you lost something in RP does not mean you get to insult him.

Action taken:

Jenson Ward - G1.2 + C1.3 - 1 Day Ban

 

[Slawek]

Your report has been dealt with, but perhaps not in the way you originally envisaged.

Whether this is beneficial or disadvantageous to you will depend entirely on the situation, and staff will have taken the most-appropriate action in the circumstances.