Report a player - 323 - Unknown Vagos - GTA RP

[KiloC]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Kenny Lake
Reported Players: 323 - Unknown Vagos
Date: Jun 12, 2024
Time: 08:00
What best describes this incident: NVL, NLR
Please (in detail) describe the incident: After a fight between Cutlass and Vagos, 323 was taken to the dodgy doctor and revived.

While having two guns pointed at him and after just being revived, 323 stands up and immediately pulls his gun out, rolls and tries to shoot his way out of the situation. He was at a clear disadvantage and didn't take into account the fact he was injured and had just been revived.

I believe these actions to have breached (G4.5) and (G2.4).
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://streamable.com/v79zpa

 

[Ronniie]

Morning Mr Kilo, Hope your alright an all that.

Such a shame we've ended up here after our liaison but I guess you feel a rule has been broken so your in your own right but I do have a question before I get into my side of the report.

Is this report motivated by revenge?


Now for your NVL & NLR Claims, So in my defence I was initially faced with three members of cutlass At Dr. coathangers retreat. One of you was what looked like he was in his head? Not something I would do personally during a Situation.
Especially when there was more vagos in the area, I would of been on high alert! But after being in liaison I found out he was checking if his **Recorded device** was working?
That left me with Mr Kilo & Mr toe, Mr kilo was what seemed like he was enjoying how the "Quick walk" animation looked & was just walking up & down being no threat at all until I tried to shoot him, Mr toe was the only one the move back & draw his weapon but a 1v1 combat I felt I had a fair chance against him, There was also more of my gang in the area as we just shot cutlass, trailed him to sandy & miraculously bumped into cutlass & had one our members taken so we was checking up & down together I just happened to be further down the road when I bumped into you lot at the time.


We can always go back to liaison to talk about this if you would like, Without all the screamers in the background.

I'll end this report by saying to all cutlass reading this now, Please be like Mr Kilo & Record your sessions as when vagos needed a pov Yesterday there wasn't one available but it seems we was told false information as you did have the footage all along.

 

[KiloC]

You were surrounded by three armed members of Cutlass with more outside.

You didn't value your life with TWO guns pointed at you after you had been revived and rolled around the place like you're John Wick, failing to acknowledge any injury to your character.

This, in my opinion, is clear cut winning/fragging mentality.

Another POV: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/i3vJ3ZFGEHaF7nGDj/d1337nd8S4Rn?invite=cr-MSx5eTMsMjIwODkxNzA4LA

 

[Ronniie]

"You were surrounded by three armed members of cutlass with more outside".

Again in my defence Mr Kilo, there was not three armed men. Yes there was three men present & as I mentioned above, one was in his head checking his clipping station? Why, we will never know. Two, Your weapon was not brandished in my eyes as you can see from Mr Toe's clip you are not even in the firing line until you run towards the Riata! I wish you would of made this report last night so I didn't remove my POV but it is what it is.

You say there was more outside yet I would be un aware of any danger outside as I was inside with you three.

Your opinion is your opinion Mr Kilo, but with that comment it is clear to me that this report is motivated By hate/revenge due to members of cutlass being banned for likewise antics! Which is fine, Staff will make the right decision.

I'll end this by adding to whom ever it was, I'm assuming it was Mr cloud. But I do not appreciate the homophobic slurs that keep being dished about by cutlass! It is not on & will not be tolerated by myself.


Have a good day Mr Kilo.

*edited spelling mistakes*

 

[KiloC]

You keep trying to deflect from the fact that you had no intention of roleplaying at any point during this scenario. You were requested to QE and coincidentally deleted your POV of the situation afterward.

You had the knowledge that all three members of Cutlass in that room were armed. As seen in both clips, for two different people, that you had two firearms on you from before you even stood up.

You have completely ignored that you have just been revived from a dodgy doctor with botched medical care and immediately attempted to frag your way out of the situation. You spoke no words, drew your gun while you were on the ground, rolled and shot as soon as you stood up and didn't take into account your injuries while you were at a clear disadvantage.

"Mr toe was the only one the move back & draw his weapon but a 1v1 combat I felt I had a fair chance against him"

This isn't the case, is it? Because you drew a gun and attempted to shoot me, not Ant.

"You say there was more outside yet I would be un aware of any danger outside as I was inside with you three."

And yet you tried to defend your actions by saying there was Vagos in the area? Of which didn't interfere, if there were.

I'm unsure why you keep saying it's a revenge report to undermine my point but I do believe you have broken the rules, hence the reason for this report.


As much as I believe all reports should be handled differently based on the context of the circumstances, I will link to this report that I believe almost exactly mirrored the situation that you were in: https://www.roleplay.co.uk/threads/report-a-player-63-gta-rp.424233/#post-2479217

 

[Ronniie]

See now this is where we going to disagree Mr Kilo, It takes some form of roleplay to be able to roleplay back!

I was gunned down just off the highway, right next to a dodgy so within I'd say a 1-2 minute lapse, I was shot, taken to Coat Hanger. At no point was I offered High quality roleplay from any one of you!

Apart from the odd "You put the blue one on the left nipple & the red one on the belly" & the showered with the usual Cutlass shit talk.


I did in fact acknowledge that all three cutlass members would of been carrying weapons as we just killed your member & you came to find him, However this does not take away the fact that these weapons was not present until my weapon was drawn! So it's a bit of a ruleplay to say " You knew we had guns" but didn't have them out? So you should value your life I'd just say organise a little better.
Its gone from three guns to now two Mr Kilo within one reply, In any case, as I've stated from where I am stood you are not on my screen, my POV was similar to Mr Toes POV, you only see Mr Kilo towards the end when I take my shot! You ask why did I choose you to shoot? The answer is simple, I was facing the boot of the Riata when I stood up, By the time I managed to pull my weapon & roll you was already by the boot so in hind sight you was to easiest/closest target to eliminate first.

Mr cloud was in his had as I've stated & on retaliated after I had shot so I'm guessing tabbed back into shot's firing seen that I was up with a gun in my hand & then pulled his.
I'll stand by what I say, Mr toe was the only person In my screen/eyes/POV that had a weapon out? So at the time of "Yo, put your arm up" I WAS NOT AT A DISADVANTAGE.

You spoke no words, drew your gun while you were on the ground, rolled and shot as soon as you stood up and didn't take into account your injuries while you were at a clear disadvantage.

If we want to go down the NLR route then, I'd have to agree Mr Kilo. As you stated I did not act out my injuries, Fair cop. (Now I haven't ignored it).

And yet you tried to defend your actions by saying there was Vagos in the area? Of which didn't interfere, if there were.

As stated in QE we didn't have a clue where dodgy was that day, after one of our members was taken up sandy & we had that little skirmish we decided to go looking as we knew you would of wanted his gun! as I was heading to paleto I was rammed by a black car "Is this vagos yeah" & shot but before that happened I was on radio to JB stating where I was, I was circling the gas station just before the barn, actually waiting for JB to meet me. I was shot & took 300 meters down the road to the dodgy? I knew I had JB at least & other members who he would of tried to gather, BUT! Jb didn't know where the dodgy was so was unable to find us, BUT! Me being shot & taken there Via a boot would of gave me no indication as to him not knowing you had just taken me up the next left of where he was.
So your men outside are irrelevant here as their just no where to be seen & for all anyone knows your just saying it, I could turn round & say we had 15 vagos at CM & no one would be none the wiser? Their outside?

I'm unsure why you keep saying it's a revenge report to undermine my point but I do believe you have broken the rules, hence the reason for this report.

So I keep mentioning it because Mr Kilo, this whole skirmish between Vagos & Cutlass stemmed from Us trying to rob general which resulted in him being reported for NVL, Ever since then cutlass have some how gained some In city knowledge of these events & have acted upon them. I've heard the fairy tale of someone saying "Grove what you doing, its vagos we're fighting cutlass" to a unknown player that has yet to come forward & to be quite frank I don't believe it. In any case I'm not here to throw mud as there's no evidence to these claims from either side so it's one of those thing we will never truly know BUT, since all this begin there has also been other cutlass members reported for NVL. I'm stating this because it just seems to me as this is Tit-4-tat from cutlass.

As much as I believe all reports should be handled differently based on the context of the circumstances, I will link to this report that I believe almost exactly mirrored the situation that you were in: https://www.roleplay.co.uk/threads/report-a-player-63-gta-rp.424233/#post-2479217

So as I've seen & I'm sure you have to Mr Kilo is that no report is the same! Some have more or less context, Never the less its nice to see you present a report of yet another cutlass member being reported by vagos! & It just so happens to be yourself Mr Kilo?

I'll end by saying this:

With your points answered, it is up to you whether you would like to continue to pursue this report.

 

[KiloC]

"Mr toe was the only person In my screen/eyes/POV that had a weapon out?"

It's suspicious to me that you had a clip of this and yet decided to delete it. You drew your gun immediately after being revived, while still on the ground, and already had two guns pointed at you as shown in both clips.

"If we want to go down the NLR route then, I'd have to agree Mr Kilo. As you stated I did not act out my injuries, Fair cop. (Now I haven't ignored it)."

I appreciate that you understand and acknowledge that this rule was broken.

"Never the less its nice to see you present a report of yet another cutlass member being reported by vagos! & It just so happens to be yourself Mr Kilo?"

I see no correlation as North was a part of Alliance during that report, not Vagos.

You have acknowledged that a rule break has occurred and that is the reason for this report, so I feel there is no need for you to keep assuming that it's based on "getting revenge."

"I've heard the fairy tale of someone saying "Grove what you doing, its vagos we're fighting cutlass" to a unknown player that has yet to come forward & to be quite frank I don't believe it."

Although it's not relevant to this report, as you continuously try to discredit our authenticity, I will provide the clip for you: https://streamable.com/ku6272

Now from hereon if we can stick to the content in this report please. I believe that you didn't value your life, you accepted that you didn't abide by NLR rules, and quite frankly it appeared like you were hungry to win the situation and that's what fuelled your actions, rather than actually being presented with a reasonable opportunity through roleplay while not at a disadvantage.

 

[Ronniie]

It's suspicious to me that you had a clip of this and yet decided to delete it. You drew your gun immediately after being revived, while still on the ground, and already had two guns pointed at you as shown in both clips.

That's because you & your members acted pally pally during the QE once the shouting show had cooled down, We all left feeling as if it had been resolved like adults? I checked forums multiple times as I always do as I like to keep up.

Seen no report so I decided too delete the footage as I've switched to OBS from MEDAL too record full session recordings as I've been told it's better than what I was using? So it eats up a decent amount of space.

already had two guns pointed at you as shown in both clips.

You keep referring back to saying this? Only your POV Mr Kilo shows yourself aiming a weapon, As from Mr Toes POV & the one I did have you roll your self into the direction of the Riata, Thus giving me a clear & direct shot at yourself! & In all honesty Mr Cloud looked like he head popped or was in his head? In my mind at the time I had you & Mr Toe to deal with. You having no obvious sign of a weapon in your hands I was up against ONE weapon, You got the first shot as you was in my sights when I aimed.

I appreciate that you understand and acknowledge that this rule was broken.

No problem Mr Kilo, I do try my best to be honest.

I see no correlation as North was a part of Alliance during that report, not Vagos.

As you stated & rightly so, He wasn't vagos at the time.

In any case, the reported was the same.

"Happened to me, So it should happen to everyone" Type of attitude!

I will provide the clip for you: https://streamable.com/ku6272

This here could of been provided when asked when this whole incident occurred, Never the less I appreciate you clearing it up from today.

At least we have some form of closer on the matter I guess.

you were hungry to win the situation and that's what fuelled your actions, rather than actually being presented with a reasonable opportunity through roleplay while not at a disadvantage.

Croc of **** Mr Kilo, I've never been one to be hungry for a win. And the fact your propelling this accusation is wild!

Their is never any "reasonable" opportunity through roleplay with you or your group Mr Kilo, Its one power game or exploit to another.

There's been countless time's where myself & my group have tried to conduct some high quality roleplay with you & your group & have only ever met with such narrow-minded RP or bullets!

/me Flicks ash onto victim does not conduct as high quality roleplay Mr Kilo, So its a bit rich.

Now from hereon if we can stick to the content in this report please.

To be honest Mr Kilo, I'm done with this report as its going the same way you want your RP to go.

I'll leave this for staff from now.

Have good evening Mr Kilo.

 

[KiloC]

"You keep referring back to saying this? Only your POV Mr Kilo shows yourself aiming a weapon"

With both of the clips provided, it shows that two guns were aimed at you while you were on the ground. You took no time to assess the situation and knew before you were revived that you were going to pull out your gun while lying down, stand up, roll and shoot.

You having no obvious sign of a weapon in your hands I was up against ONE weapon, You got the first shot as you was in my sights when I aimed.

As previously stated, both clips show that you had two guns on you before you had the chance to stand up.

"I did have you roll your self into the direction of the Riata, Thus giving me a clear & direct shot at yourself!"

I rolled in reaction to you rolling as soon as you were revived, breaking the NLR rule, and in my personal opinion, breaking the NVL rule, as you tried to line up a shot and my roll made me avoid it. You already had two guns aimed at you at the point that you decided to roll and shoot.

""Happened to me, So it should happen to everyone" Type of attitude!"

I don't understand this logic. Am I not allowed to report a rule break? One of which you've admitted to in this report.

"Croc of **** Mr Kilo, I've never been one to be hungry for a win. And the fact your propelling this accusation is wild!"

This is how it appears to me. What other motivation would you have to break the rules in such a matter?

"Their is never any "reasonable" opportunity through roleplay with you or your group Mr Kilo, Its one power game or exploit to another."

I see no exploiting or power gaming in these clips. I don't understand how your personal opinions of Cutlass is justification for you to break the rules.

"/me Flicks ash onto victim does not conduct as high quality roleplay Mr Kilo, So its a bit rich."

I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack my roleplay.

"To be honest Mr Kilo, I'm done with this report as its going the same way you want your RP to go."

I'm not sure what you mean by this, could you elaborate?

If you don't want to respond, that's fine. You have admitted to one rule break and I believe you committed another. Thank you for your responses so far, they have been enlightening and helped with painting the picture of the situation that occurred.

 

[Ronniie]

As previously stated, both clips show that you had two guns on you before you had the chance to stand up.

Your applaudable Mr Kilo, I have taken the time to read through the report you've attached above as a comparison.

I must say its very hypocritical to say the least, Would you agree? This is why I have the feeling this report has Ill-Intent.

I see no exploiting or power gaming in these clips.

As long as it isn't in 'these' clips its alright then Mr Kilo? I suppose it's because those parts of the clip 'corrupted'.

I don't understand how your personal opinions of Cutlass is justification for you to break the rules.

Lets not get carried away with ourselves Mr Kilo, Ronnie or my self DOES NOT HAVE ANY PERSONAL OPINION OR ISSUE WITH CUTLASS OR YOURSELF!

I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack my roleplay.

All I see in your responses Mr Kilo is you trying to cast a net & seeing what staff members will catch from it?

I'd appreciate if you could stop painting me to be a bad guy mate. Its as if you or cutlass are the ones with the 'Personal opinion'.

But as you've asked me to elaborate, I will. So what I mean by this is, IG Mr Kilo thrives off the 'W' & so does majority of the cutlass members I've came across, During liaison Mr Kilo & His group needed to show dominance displaying the 'badman' persona & during this report your being blind sided due to the malicious intent that this report has.

This will be my last reply, unless you would like to go to a liaison & discuss the matter like adults.

 

[KiloC]

"I must say its very hypocritical to say the least, Would you agree? This is why I have the feeling this report has Ill-Intent."

What is hypocritical about understanding that a rule break has been committed?

"As long as it isn't in 'these' clips its alright then Mr Kilo? I suppose it's because those parts of the clip 'corrupted'."

I don't understand. You are being reported for what I believe to be NVL, and what we both believe to be NLR. What are you suggesting?

"All I see in your responses Mr Kilo is you trying to cast a net & seeing what staff members will catch from it?"

I'm presenting my evidence of the rule breaks that I believe has occurred and you keep trying to divert from it with information irrelevant to this report.

"But as you've asked me to elaborate, I will. So what I mean by this is, IG Mr Kilo thrives off the 'W' & so does majority of the cutlass members I've came across,"

Accusations like these are what I believe influenced you to try and frag your way out of the situation.

"due to the malicious intent that this report has."

There is nothing malicious in or about this report. You say you have acknowledged and accepted that you broke the NLR rule and yet still try to argue the authenticity of this report.

"This will be my last reply, unless you would like to go to a liaison & discuss the matter like adults."

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. We clearly disagree with each other over whether this is a rule break or not and so I am happy to wait for staff to shed some light on this.

 

[Bonzi]

Hello @KiloC - thank you for taking the time to make this report.

From the provided clips, it's clear to me that you were indeed at a significant disadvantage here @Ronniie - you have two weapons directly pointed at your character, and a third armed person in your immediate vicinity. Despite this, you fail to value your characters life and comply with the demands of your aggressors, instead you immediately combat roll and you attempt to shoot your aggressors.

Yes there was three men present & as I mentioned above, one was in his head checking his clipping station?

Whether someone is "in his head" or not is not a factor you should use in determining your chances of success in pulling some John Wick stunt like this.

I've glanced through the rest of the conversation you two have had:

but with that comment it is clear to me that this report is motivated By hate/revenge due to members of cutlass being banned for likewise antics!

But I do not appreciate the homophobic slurs that keep being dished about by cutlass!

Their is never any "reasonable" opportunity through roleplay with you or your group Mr Kilo, Its one power game or exploit to another.

There's been countless time's where myself & my group have tried to conduct some high quality roleplay with you & your group & have only ever met with such narrow-minded RP or bullets!

quite frankly it appeared like you were hungry to win the situation and that's what fuelled your actions

In future, please keep any and all additional commentary brief and to the point of the original report, instead of bringing up additional unfounded and unneeded points.

Report Approved
Character: Ronald Trapp
Rule(s) Broken: G2.4
Action: Permanent Ban as per Unban Conditions