Report a player - 309,237,394 - GTA RP

[Mack Daniels]

Hello @OneShot, hope all is well. Let me go into this...

Also when he pressed his panic this was after you shot....

Yes, he pressed it less than a second after I shot. He started to speed up as I pointed my gun at him, showing no intention to stop the vehicle. If I shot at his character and downed him as a result of him failing to listen to my instruction, I would fully agree that it is RDM due to the little amount of time he had. However, that's not the case; I shot his tires out as a warning and as an attempt to stop his vehicle from going anywhere closer to MRPS. 

We had been looking for a police officer for a fairly lengthy amount of time and had previously came across multiple firearms officers, and to say the least we didn't fancy a full scaled gunfight over a failed hostage taking - so we decided to strip him of his items instead. In hindsight, this could've developed into much better roleplay for all parties involved but we worked with what we could at the time of the situation. 

and when he activated his police lights this doesn't mean RP has initiated as the rule states below

You're correct, however roleplay had already been started from our end, and the rule reads how it is for when police create a traffic stop on you as the criminal - please correct me if I'm wrong. Furthermore, I would like to add that the police lights being switched on wasn't the focal point as to why I decided to begin taking his tires, it was that amongst other factors which came into play, including the increase in speed, the direction he was going in (towards MRPS) and how he pressed his panic button, alerting other constables of the dire trouble he was in.  

Do you think this is enough time for him to comply with your demands?

The demands were extremely hard to fully give due to the car moving at high speeds which only increased when the tire was taken.  The tire was initially taken to show that these threats are something to be listened to, a gun to the head is no joke and we aren't afraid to use force. The car continued to speed up and drive off to which more tires were taken as we didn't want to kill the police officer but show that his life is in danger and our demands are serious.  

However, I do see where you're coming from and agree that there could've been more time given for him to comply with the commands. 

Why didn't you be more creative so you can have that opportunity of providing that RP?

As mentioned above, we were searching for our target and saw multiple firearms cars and we really didn't want to engage in a gun fight with police. Time was running extremely short in this situation, we had shot the tires and he had also communicated that through his radio which we heard at the very end and he also panicked multiple times. The priority in character was to disarm him and then move him but the intensity of the situation had got into our heads and we wanted to leave without police attention.

Finally I would like to add, as Bowen stated in this report, if we would have proceeded to follow the police constable back to MRPS this would be seen as NVL as we are to roleplay that the station is fully manned at all times which is not something we would be able to handle. Please see Bowen's final reply below -

 

[Baron Butcher]

You keep saying I was on the way to MRPS, I was on the other side of the city, by VES.. It looked like to me you just wanted my guns and didn't have the intention to provide good rp. Considering you robbed another firearm cop moments before for the same items, ar, glock teaser etc

You could have chased me down, tried boxing me, shouted at me more but instead, you went straight for the gun and shot my tyres. With no more than 10 words spoken

Also Ves would also be a "fully manned" PD within rp. 

 

[Mack Daniels]

Hi @Baron Butcher

You keep saying I was on the way to MRPS, I was on the other side of the city, by VES

On the other side of the city? You was adjacent to the red parking garage, heading straight for Legion Square. Our guess is that you were headed straight to Mission Row Police Station for back-up.

It looked like to me you just wanted my guns and didn't have the intention to provide good rp. Considering you robbed another firearms moments before for the same items, ar, glock taaser etc

We were out robbing cops, yes. We didn't rob a cop moments before you - there was around a 40-minute gap. With the previous police officer, we put him into zipties and provided pieces of quality roleplay with him. We would've done the exact same with you had you complied with our demands, however you didn't. We had to be flexible with the situation and we worked with the various factors that came into play after you tried to flee and requested for back-up meaning we didn't have time to mess around with you unless we wanted to have a gunfight with police.

Furthermore, if we're talking about bad roleplay, why did you lie about opening a door to get an extra panic in when you had multiple weapons pointed at your character? Seems to me like you just wanted another win and not caring for roleplay.

 

[Baron Butcher]

Why wouldn't I panic when I have guns aimed at me, That the most logical thing to do??? 

I also pressed the panic before I was asked to get out of the car by your friend. 

I do not care about the win what so ever, I care about roleplay... From what I see you just wanted my guns. Just because I'm going in the direction of where a police station is doesn't mean I am going there, I was merely trying to escape being chased. Logic says I could had gone to VES PD but that wasn't possible at the moment in time. But if you are here for roleplay, whats the reason to rob two firearms officers within "40 mins" ? Is there a story behind it? 

With the MRPS statement, with your logic if I'm heading towards the city from sandy, I'm heading towards a pd... Its just a poor excuse. You also ask for the safe code, this further backs up you not wanting to give good rp. shoots my tyres, robs everything from me and asks for the safe code. 

I have no further comments to add, I've said everything I need to

 

[Mack Daniels]

Why wouldn't I panic when I have guns aimed at me, That the most logical thing to do???

Because we told you to get out of the car, not press your panic button.

I also pressed the panic before I was asked to get out of the car by your friend. 

You pressed it afterwards. We had no problem with you activating the button beforehand but your car was disabled, and you had multiple firearms pointed to your head. 

Just because I'm going in the direction of where a police station is doesn't mean I am going there, I was merely trying to escape being chased

Well that's what we assumed in roleplay. You were heading in that direction, which also means other constables may be able to respond in a shorter amount of time due to you being in a closer proximity of MRPS. How could we know you weren't going directly to the police station? That's the direction you were headed in, so that's what we expected in roleplay.

Logic says I could had gone to VES PD but that wasn't possible at the moment in time

Exactly - it wasn't possible.

But if you are here for roleplay, whats the reason to rob two firearms officers within "40 mins" ? Is there a story behind it?

We were robbing and kidnapping singled out police officers in retaliation to how they have previously been arresting us and disrupting our fights with Ballas. Also please note that 40 minutes is a fairly lengthy amount of time in roleplay. As said previously, we were planning to provide a quality roleplay story had you complied with our demands however that came to a halt when you pressed your panic button, alerting other police officers of your danger and limiting the amount of time we had to deal with the situation before back up arrived. If we had stayed in the area it may have been seen as police baiting and looking for a gunfight, which we did not want, and so we dealt with it swiftly and left. 

With the MRPS statement, with your logic if I'm heading towards the city from sandy, I'm heading towards a pd... Its just a poor excuse.

You're grasping at straws here. In this situation, you were on a road which leads us directly to MRPS, and you were showing no signs of slowing down or making turns to divert. This is a reason for us to believe you were headed straight for the police station. There's a big difference between what happened here and the scenario you made up about heading to LS from Sandy. There's no specific destination we could pinpoint you were headed towards if we chased you from Sandy - there's just too many. 

You also ask for the safe code, this further backs up you not wanting to give good rp.

How is asking for the safe code bad roleplay? How else am I meant to acquire it? I asked you if you remembered it... not what it was. That leaves the ball in your court as to whether your not you want to provide it or not. 

shoots my tyres, robs everything from me and asks for the safe code. 

Shooting tires is a much better alternative than shooting you in the head, which could've easily been done but that would've been classed as blatant RDM. Shooting tires gave you a warning that we were serious with our demands, and were not to be messed with. You failed to listen at the very beginning by accelerating and attempting to flee. "Everything" is another exaggerative comment. We robbed your weapons and communication/recording devices so, one, you couldn't shoot us as we were escaping, and two, so the crime couldn't be tracked back to us with body worn footage or anything alike. 

In this screenshot you said "what am i gonna do stop when im being chased with a gun lmao". In my opinion this shows that you are cutting down several opportunities for quality roleplay, and looking for a quick escape from the situation. And yes, you should stop when you have a gun to your head... it is a weapon that can end your life in one shot - however I understand you had a valid reason for attempting to escape. 

It also seems you were heated over the situation OOC, calling our gang "ratty". With no attempt to resolve this incident before it reached the report page whilst having plenty of time to do so, did you create this as an act of revenge?



I feel like all these questions we are asking one another could've been resolved in a Discord call, clearing up the report and allowing for staff to get a better perspective of the incident. I understand you said you're not making further replies, but may I ask why you didn't ask us to a liaison chat in the first place? 

 

[Baron Butcher]

"It also seems you were heated over the situation OOC, calling our gang "ratty". With no attempt to resolve this incident before it reached the report page whilst having plenty of time to do so, did you create this as an act of revenge?" 

I have no feelings for your gang whatsoever. Me saying is this your ratty gang is me talking to my friends in a private discord. it has no connection whatsoever. I don't care about your gang ic or ooc. 

As I stated, I logged of the server after this had happened. hence why I clicked You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

 

[Mack Daniels]

I have no feelings for your gang whatsoever. Me saying is this your ratty gang is me talking to my friends in a private discord. it has no connection whatsoever. I don't care about your gang ic or ooc. 

No problem, just think it's a bit odd you calling Hustlers "ratty" especially after you've now said you have no feelings for the gang whatsoever.

As I stated, I logged of the server after this had happened. hence why I clicked You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

Ok. There were still ways to go about resolving this: i.e. putting a message in OOC before logging off, messaging me on Discord, etc. But that's your call at the end of the day, and you decided not to.

 

[Baron Butcher]

No problem, just think it's a bit odd you calling Hustlers "ratty" especially after you've now said you have no feelings for the gang whatsoever.

Ok. There were still ways to go about resolving this: i.e. putting a message in OOC before logging off, messaging me on Discord, etc. But that's your call at the end of the day, and you decided not to.

Me saying " ratty" means nothing whatsoever. There is no connection. 

And if I knew who you and the guys were I would have done the dicord thing but I didn't.

 

[OneShot]

Hello gents,

After a careful review of the provided evidence, as well as a thorough review of what both parties had to say,

in the video footage, it is evident that there was no prior roleplay interaction between the two parties involved. The evidence clearly shows two vehicles tailing the officer, followed by ordering"Yo... Get out of the fucking car now, and put your hands up", not even a second later, shooting at the police car disabling the tyres.

I noticed several justifications were put forward to explain the events. First, it was mentioned that the officer activated their lights and panic button, implying non-compliance. However, it is important to note that there was insufficient time given for him to comply, it is questionable how the initial panic button pressed could have been seen from behind and one of the factors involved in shooting.

When this explanation was disproven, the initial narrative shifted, to intercept the officer before he got the MRPD as it would be fully manned, sure you are correct about that but it doesn't excuse the aggressive approach taken, considering there was no prior roleplay and the low quality roleplay through out the encounter.

The decision to discontinue roleplay was the panic button pressed and the expected arrival of additional police units and due to the lack of zipties,

Why not tell him to get in the car with you?

Why not be more prepared for this situation?

Why not take the time to come up with a creative plan?

Claims of NVL were raised, situations do offer players opportunities to escape if there is a viable chance. In this case, the officer was in a vehicle actively moving away when a firearm was drawn, and the officer also has possession of weapons. These factors do have  a  possibility of escape.

There was one individual that was not involved in this situation, decided to get involved by not valuing his life, making the decision to run up to armed people that were actively robbing a officer so he can steal his car.

Overall, it appears the reported party may have been more focused on looking for police for the end goal of robbing their weapons, not taking into account the roleplay that should have been providing, potentially influenced by recent meta changes involving police weaponry.

Sure, seeking revenge for the loss of items taken by officers is acceptable, but the approach taken in this instance falls short of the standards we try to uphold.

Please in the future take the time to think of a plan that benefits both sides. if you are taking something of value from another player, whether you are taking another player's time or items you should provide something of value back... in this case it is quality roleplay.

Action Taken

CharID: 34220 ( @Mack Daniels)

Reason: G1.2 (RDM) & C1.7 (Common Sense - Due to the poor roleplay)

Duration: Permanent

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CharID: 77882 ( @JoshLander)

Reason: C1.7 (Common Sense - Due to the poor roleplay)

Duration: Permanent

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CharID: 100101

Reason: G2.4 (NVL)

Warning issued: New player and no prior offences

 

[OneShot]

Thank you for doing your part in keeping the community clean.

Your report has been approved and action has been taken against the reported player.

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