Report a player - 254 - GTA RP

[Adam Busy]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Adam Busy

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 254

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 04/01/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1900

What best describes this incident ?: Poor RP | RDM | Baiting

Please (in detail) describe the incident: Evenin, (I'll keep this as short and sweet as possible)

As indicated in the video provided we attempted to stop a vehicle following a failure to stop which has been followed to 299 Turf. Following us attending their turf, this is when we were told within the first few seconds of engaging that we should fuck off before we are shot. Following some further 'engagement' (if you wanna call it that) between both parties this has then led to us then attempting to leave the turf whereby all officers within the vehicle have been shot with barely any RP provided.

This was then called to a liaison which was facilitated by multiple members of the staff team where the justification for this poor situation was that members of 229 have recently been angered because of police on the server due to officers apparently loitering at their turf but as shown in the video this was not what we were doing.

The further justification was also "context" and "anger", as stated by the members they are angry because of what happened prior to us attending and this incident happening, however, I do not personally believe that this is a valid justification for a whitelisted gang on a 'high-quality roleplay server' to engage in a gunfight especially when members are becoming over-excitable about a gunfight beginning. Lastly, a point was raised that it should be "common sense" for police to not attend said locations like 229 turf and again I can ease myself to understand where this basis has been formed but this is not a justification for the actions displayed this evening.

I wouldn't have placed this report here if some accountability for the actions displayed was given during the liaison room however I do not personally think this is acceptable for people I know can do much better.

Again, to the person who I have reported, I do hope that something if anything is taken away from this by yourself and of course, the gang as a whole as this standard is very poor.

Lastly, please do provide your context and justification for your actions so a rationale can be formed by the reviewing members of staff and I will be happy to elaborate further if need be however I think the video outlines my concerns.

I do appreciate your efforts in the liaison room however as stated above do not understand how this is acceptable in any form when looking at the rules in verbatim mainly RDM.

(G1.2) Random Death Match (RDM) - Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM. (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. “Put your hands up or I will shoot” and countdowns are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering violence.) - Mass RDM is a permanent ban.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/12ooOi-odDeNz6/d13377yfowBf?invite=cr-MSxGV00sNTUwMzUxMjYs



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Drex]

Hello @Adam Busy

In order for this report to be processed, footage leading up to the situation is required, showing that there were no previous interactions between you and the reported party. 
Please supply video 3 - 5 minutes prior to the shooting. 

 

[Adam Busy]

Hello @Adam Busy

In order for this report to be processed, footage leading up to the situation is required, showing that there were no previous interactions between you and the reported party. 
Please supply video 3 - 5 minutes prior to the shooting. 

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I have uploaded 5 mins prior to YT as my medals only lets me clip for certain durations...

 

[KCAJ]

Well firstly, I will start with the liaison that we spoke in for a good 20-25 minutes about this situation as you asked us to,

The general consensus of this was that there was mistakes made from both sides and that we were going to take away from this situation and improve on them.

I will say that over the last week that there has been numerous arrests made on 229, for heavy sentences which has lead to the increased amount of police presence around the area, one that we do not take lightly too in RP, now whilst you might have been chasing someone for whatever reason that might be, you were then faced with as you clearly counted in the video a numerous amount of gang members, to which you have more than enough reason to believe that they are armed with the previous encounters the police have had with them and prioritise them as "high risk".

You then park yourself right outside the front gates, where numerous aggressive comments were passed to you, such as leave our turf, multiple comments that you were going to be shot, to add to this my self "Jack Ronald" and "Sam Jacobs" were arrested yesterday, whilst in the cells we passed numerous comments to "specialist officers" saying that they were putting targets on the police's back doing this, and telling them that its not too late. I as a character know that this information should have been passed along to other general front life officers such as yourself, whether this actually happened or not is out of my control. But from an RP sense it should have been passed on that threats have been made from a gang that is already well known to the police and has the capability to do so.

Now lets move on to you and your officers, you came speeding around the corner into the area that we as gang members "control", the radio communications stated that he was coming back to turf, we had recently taken in a delivery of weapons totalling 36+ million and they were still around the area as we had not had time to put them away fully and hand them out to the members, if caught with these weapons it would have meant that the charges and prison time that we would have served as criminals would have been massive, as a criminal in roleplay they are going to do everything that they can to avoid this happening especially when faced with officers parked right outside the front gates, whilst you didn't have the context for this you can clearly see that there is a large amount of us stood around you, passing agressive comments and would have given you a fair indication at least to what might happen if you didn't leave.

You then made the right decision to leave the area as you were heavily outnumbered in that situation and already bordering on annoying 10 + people, whilst doing this you then decide to call the gang members that you have just been in a verbal altercation with and had threats to be shot by a "bunch of freaks".

To me this in a roleplay scenario does not make any sense at all you have attended the scene from a police chase saw the hostilities, my character thinks or has an belief that information has been passed over about being targets, the multiple arrests that have been made on high level members of the gang over the last week, the amount of attention from the police, the amount of times that they have attempted to arrest us, the warrants that members of the gang have, the general hatred toward police due to their recent actions, the amount of guns that we have in the area that could potentially lead to massive prosecution and sentencing, and then to top it all off you've called the leader of the gang and the rest of his gang members that were stood right behind him that outnumber you 3/1 a bunch of freaks whilst in an area that in RP they control.

And yet you have deemed this as baiting? RDM?

Baiting

So let's get the baiting out of the way first, how are you seriously accusing a gang of baiting by being on their own turf, that you chased them into? What do you exactly want the member of the gang to do? Lay down and roll over, or actually attempt to get out of the situation that he is in by returning to his turf where he knows that there is a large amount of us and that its more safe.

Let's flip this scenario on it's head say you have arrested a member of a gang and you are currently being chased by the gang members, is returning back to the police station considered baiting? No of course its not, its an area that you as the police force control and have the ability and the power to defend yourself against anything that is going to happen.

Similarly that is what JP "Ian Cashman" was trying to do, as a criminal his worst nightmare in RP is getting arrested, and to me this makes complete sense in RP to return back to an area in which you feel more safe and has nothing to do with baiting.

Random Death Match

I have listed above what my character and other members of 229 have been experiencing over the last two weeks, and I believe that if you took that roleplay situation differently then the outcome would have been the one you clearly desired. Instead you decided to provoke a large amount of gang members by calling them freaks, and ignore direct threats to your and your colleagues lives.

In the video that you have posted, you can be heard saying "there is the failure to stop that we wanted" was it your intention as a character to attempt to arrest this man and cause some sort of issue for you and your police officers to sort out? As seconds later you can be heard before even entering the turf and seeing the amount of people that were there to "get your pistols ready" it seems to me that you have caused this because you wanted something to happen, and that there seems to be some sort of prior knowledge that you and your colleagues understood the risks that you were taking before entering the turf area.

As you arrive you were crashed into and ran three people over, whilst this is not directly your fault it still lead to an increase in tension from the gang members that surrounded your car. You then had a direct threat that you were going to be shot, and still continued to sit stationary in the car, from your video you clearly counted the amount of people that were there and panic's.

However after pressing your panic button you decided to remain in the area, was this at the time not a clear indication of how hostile we were being and that it might be a good idea to leave? Seems that you and the other people that you were with had a clear enough indication that something was going to happen before you even entered that area,

You then provoked myself by calling me and the other members I was with "a bunch of freaks" and you were then shot, from the evidence that you have provided I do not believe this to be "random" at all.

Sessionheads

As a person that plays the server and has the best interest of roleplay at heart clearly judging by your detailed report and the passion that you and the other officers were putting into the OOC chat.

Why at 4:33 during your video that you have sent in, after the local car crashes into you do you use sessionheads, this seems like a pretty unusual place to press this button and then following on from that when you see that it's actually a player in the local car you tell the other officers "matey boy" is involved. This seems to me like you have used sessionheads to influence your roleplay and decision making during this situation.

Summary

All in all you have a clear indication and knowledge surrounding the members of 229, getting your weapon ready before entering the area, the threats that were passed over to you and the general want to have a failure to stop indicates to me that this was not random.

Now if the information from the other officers after mine and Sam Jacobs  discussion in the cells last night was not passed over, that is unfortunate but as when I play the server I roleplay a character and take into account the things I have said and done, this was a factor in this case. it's clear to me that you could see the tension and you and your other officers were out to cause some trouble and it went wrong.





 

 

[Adam Busy]

In reply to some of the points raised, there are a lot of accusations of "you", I can confirm I was not driving at the time of this video as you can see and I don't believe that I personally provoked anyone during this encounter and if so I would be entrigued to see as to how. I know you have mentioned that some of this was not directly my fault so I'm sure you are already of that understanding.

If my behaviour was provokative please indicate as to where, as for the other officers that is something that you raised towards them in liason.

"was it your intention as a character to attempt to arrest this man and cause some sort of issue for you and your police officers to sort out?" 

Yes, it was my intention to attempt an arrest due to an offence taking place in RP, not cause an issue. Not to have a gunfight but again I do not feel as if I shouldn't be justifying any of my actions here. The likelyhood of a incident taking place on a turf is hightened for obvious reasons which include multiple factors such as the area being more likely to be populated with gang members, weaponary etc. I only changed to my firearm upon being threatened to be shot by one of your members almost instantly after we arrived on scene which I thought common sense would explain as to why I assumed the worst was going to happen (which it did).

Reading this you may argue and have already raised, why wouldn't you withdraw etc, again there are many options to consider, to state that I as an individual esculated the sitation here doesn't correlate with the footage and again I do not see how our mere presence indicates hostility as the 229 members present were provokative to the situation.

You mention prior knowledge, yes of course. Like discussed in liason there is knowledge on both ends and again context can matter therefore a response can alternate dependent on this factor so of course we knew that the situation could most likely escalate for the worst and therefore withdrawing when this escalated after some minor engagement took place. Do I think that this was the cause of the issue, no. My main concern is the justification for the poor level of RP displayed to myself as I am only going to speak from my behalf and perspective.

"You then provoked myself by calling me and the other members I was with "a bunch of freaks" - As stated in liason and as can be seen I didn't.

Sessionheads usage - As per usual I was expecting this to be brought up and I will keep it simple. I believed that the person within the car intentionally rammed us with no prior engagement and therefore may be either trolling or conducting behaviour in those lines with RVDM and therefore wanted to obtain a session ID as a preventative measure incase of ecalation and this is following previous incidents where staff have advised of this course of action. This hasn't influenced my roleplay in any means, sadly many of times we have been in situations where we are engaging in pursuits with people whereby random vehicles tend to miraculously become involved and therefore I suspected that this may be the case in this instance. Seeing another vehicle rammed into us intentionally when we pulled onto your turf again I don't think that this proposal is unreasonable by any means and do think that this is a stretch to say the least but hopefully this allows some reassurance.

You have covered many points which were depicted very well verbally earlier which I do not contest and again I understand your justification of forming a basis for your actions , however one question I ask to yourself is do you really think that the roleplay provided during this incident was "high quality" when watching that video back.

I do not think that information in relation to a gang should have to be passed to me for context in game to allow for poor rp. At the end of the day I really don't mind hosility from gangs and if anything it allows for further development of character story lines however, I do not see how this can justify your actions. It can certainly influence them for sure but it should not take a 20 minute liason and lengthy justification for split second decisions which could have been voided if better roleplay was provided initially.

If this is the type of roleplay that gangs and people who form part of whitelisted factions are allowed to provide it deteriotates the community let's be honest we both know that. 

I am intrigued to see if this standard of roleplay is acceptable because if so then I must be misinformed on what is expected because when I watch this back it is disappointing to see.

Quick one for my footage, if staff have any questions to pose to myself as this tends to happen for continuity in almost all reports I am more than happy to provide a valid justifications however I do not feel the need to explain any more than I have done already into my actions and intentions within the clips provided as I think watching them does most of the explaining. 

 

[Bonzi]

Your report is currently being reviewed, Please be patient while the evidence is reviewed

Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

 

[Bonzi]

Good evening all - apologies for the delay in my response to this post.

Thank you @Adam Busyfor taking the time out your day to make this report, and to yourself @KCAJfor replying. The effort from both sides is appreciated.

I'll start this reply with:

The general consensus of this was that there was mistakes made from both sides and that we were going to take away from this situation and improve on them.

I completely agree. The level of roleplay from both sides in this situation is lacking.  Despite this, I do not believe that RDM occurred within this situation - there was nothing random about the killings that occurred in this situation.

Looking at the clips provided by yourself @Adam Busy, we can see that yourself and two other officers attempt to stop two suspects riding on a motorbike. They decide not to stop and flee. This results in the officers giving chase. During this chase, yourself @Adam Busyand the other officers are rammed by another player in a Banshee. This looks like an accident given how sharply you turned in your vehicle, not RVDM.

This chase ends up with the officers right in the centre of well-established gang turf, where there is a significant, obvious and hostile gang presence. Hopefully this doesn't need to be said, but it makes sense that uniformed officers arriving in such a fashion onto a gangs turf aren't going to be welcomed with open arms.

The situation is immediately made hostile by the officers car being rammed into several 229 members, causing them to be knocked over. This appears to have been accidental based on the footage provided. As expected, accidental or otherwise, the present gang members do not respond positively.

The hostilities are then made worse by the dismissive attitude your character @Adam Busypresents - you yourself may not have been driving, but to act in the way your character acted only provokes a response. Said response in this case involves multiple threats from the present gang members for the officers to "leave or be shot".

Despite these threats and the general risk of your current situation, the officers remain at the scene - and again @Adam Busyyou provoke the (obviously agitated) gang members around you by such comments as "oh are we doing this now are we" and loudly counting the number of gang members around you. Such actions and comments in the presence of what you acknowledged to be an overwhelming presence of gang members does not strike me as someone who is aware of the danger they're in and as such valuing their life. 

The same can be said for Alfie McCoy (the driver of the vehicle) - despite the overwhelming gang presence and active threats to your life, you decide to remain firmly parked right in the centre of their territory. Once you do decide to leave, you do so making comments about those present - specifically calling them "a bunch of fucking freaks".

As the police vehicle leaves, the hostilities reach their climax with all three officers within the vehicle being shot and incapacitated by Jack Ronald - as well as a fourth officer, whose involvement with the situation is undeterminable with the footage provided.

To summate how I view this situation:

Through a series of intentional and accidental events, some of the officers present kicked the hives nest - resulting in all the officers present getting stung.

Linking this situation back to the three alleged rule breaks:

1 - Baiting

No baiting occurred within this situation. A routine traffic stop turned into a failure to stop (from what I can only assume is to avoid being arrested), in which the fleeing driver of the motorbike returned to their home turf seeking haven from the pursing cops. This is not deliberate action to create a scenario in which a chase or fight occurs.

2 - Random Death Match

As explained above, there was nothing 'random' about the killings that occurred in this situation.

3 - Poor RP

The roleplay from both sides in this situation was disappointing.

As for the officers, in future when you find yourselves in hostile situations (being actively threatened) - respond and react to it accordingly. Don't sit around mouthing off to those around you as if nothing is going to happen. Value your characters lives.

As for yourself Jack Ronald - you've shot and downed four officers in this situation, despite only roleplaying with two. Even the roleplay between yourself and these two officers isn't high-quality. It is your responsibility to provide high quality roleplay to those before you attack them.

Given how poor this situation is overall - I will be issuing a warning to those involved:

Report Approved - Alternative Action Taken:

Character IDs: 49424 , 59336

Reason: G2.4

Action: Warning

Character ID: 50695

Reason: G1.2

Action: Warning

 

[Bonzi]

Your report has been dealt with, but perhaps not in the way you originally envisaged.

Whether this is beneficial or disadvantageous to you will depend entirely on the situation, and staff will have taken the most-appropriate action in the circumstances.