Report a player - 150 / Other 229 - GTA RP

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Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Josh Lewis

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 150 / Other 229

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 07/06/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1530

What best describes this incident ?: G1.2 / C1.14

Please (in detail) describe the incident: At 15:30~ 06/07/2023 a 229 member was being taken to the prison for being caught with a firearm. On the way there the officer was ambushed and managed to get away. All of the other units went to the general area and found a car matching the general description of what they were looking for. When attempting to box the vehicle in I said “Stop there Fella” at the same time a guy on a motorcycle pulled up alongside a police vehicle behind mine and just opened fire with a shotgun.

Also at the same time Harry Catraz was told to “Dick Head, Fuck off now” after the first shotgun blast was fired he was instantly headshot.
Harry's POV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPMM9dUnjA

Another officer attended the scene after a panic went off, tried to get an understanding of what was going on from a distance and was chased down like a dog and shot, without a word spoken to him.
Unknown Officers POV: https://youtu.be/KrZIMbJX-_8?t=499

In this situation the police were outnumbered and we got outplayed. My main concerns and issues lie within the RDM Rule(Random Death Match (RDM) - Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM. (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. “Put your hands up or I will shoot” and countdowns are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering violence.)

Its my opinion that the guy on the motorcycle that started the shooting failed to provide high quality RP before resorting to using a shotgun. The same with the person who opened fire on Harry and the DSU officers that attended a few minutes later. Tires could have been shot, could have pulled the weapons and told us to leave etc, we tried to enter the situation fairly not smashing the car in the oblivion or pulling firearms instantly.

Following this I was placed into a car for a period of time ID 150 “Why Did you try to drive off when i had a gun pointed at your head you little dick head” I'm fairly sure he was talking about someone else as i didn't really get a chance to see or react to a firearm other than the shotgun. In the context in which he said it i feel he is “ruleplaying” essentially accusing me of NVL whilst in character. Ignoring his comment all of the injured police were taken out and dealt with, I was dumped after an attempt at medical RP which in fairness was better quality i did not partake in  as I was shot directly in the head I felt that my character should have died following this incident as such I respawned.

I don’t agree with the view that as they had engaged with police officers prior to our arrival absolves them of the RDM Rule.

To be crystal clear I’m not bothered that we were killed, it's just the lack of quality that was provided especially in Harry's and the other officers point of view.

 

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):

https://youtu.be/3YzCTeY21sY
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Josh Lander]

So to begin i’m going to add some context to the situation.

we were trying to get one of our members back who was being transported towards the prison our goal was to get him back with the bare minimum shots/casualties happening. your officer who was transported was approached by me (the one on the bike with the shotgun) and 2 other armed individuals who attempted to stop him by pointing these multiple firearms at him. he has then decided to drive off where i’ve taken all 4 of his tires, we attempted to follow the car but the car had then fled, on our way we stopped and got everyone together. other units who have responded to this “panic” triggered have then pulled up and attempted to box one of our members in. there was roughly 10 of us. wouldn’t say that’s a smart decision? being heavily outnumber and out armed in my opinion, after these individuals have tried to box and started ramming our members they were told to leave where they then continued to ram the car. after failing to realise they were outnumber and really attempting a stupid thing infront of many people they were then fired upon. i did not kill these people really this was a warning shot to tell them to leave and get out of the area as they were attempting something infront of many of our members. 

i don’t agree at all with your accusations to be honest with you and a bit disheartened that you didn’t ask us to come to discord.

The reason your officer was fired upon was because he drove off when he had multiple guns pointed towards him after we told him to stop driving, that decision he made changed the whole outcome. 

furthermore josh lewis once you were incapacitated you provided zero rp and the excuse you used in ooc chat was “i was shot in the head” we are told to use /me to enchance rp and to provide as much as we can, i feel like you could of provided some sort of roleplay but i feel you may have been in a “sulk” as you didn’t like the outcome of what has happened 

furthermore to add to this you and the other officers involved yourself in a situation and drove in basically blindfolded, you may have underestimated the situation and thought you could start boxing and ramming all the car that the original officer has called out. you and the other officers involved yourselves in a situation that was ongoing. You were not the start of the situation nothing here is random the situation was started back at the prison and you have decided to involve yourself and sadly it ended in a way none wanted it to.

To the dog unit who came i feel like you didn’t value the officers life who was in the back of your car as you were dragging him into a “multiple gun shot” very dangerous situation. doesn’t make sence bringing a tazer to a situation where the officer who originally panicked has called out sawn off shotguns and other heavy firearms which have zero comparison to a tazer.

you also say in you report “we were outnumbered and outplayed” why did you proceed to attempt to box in a car if your aware that you were outnumbered? potentially not valuing your officers life’s and there welfare?

it’s clean you knew you were outnumbered and at a clear disadvantage however you still proceeded to try box a car in the middle of the whole thing in the middle of the whole group?

im also not quite sure how it was random when in every clip all officers are talking about gunfire and potential risks to the situation . In the first clip "cameron garcia" is named a renowned crimanal who has recently caused havoc with the police . In the other clips you are stating about weaponary and types of gun fire used . You are also in the last clip when the officer is taken hostage talking about shooting us?

explain to me please josh how any of this is "random" please.

to familiarise yourself with the english language and definitions the word random defines as “Lacking a definite plan, or purpose or pattern? yet nothing in this situation was random, and most definitely had no purpose.

i look forward to hearing back from you and reading your reply, thank you

 

[Harry Catraz]

The reason your officer was fired upon was because he drove off when he had multiple guns pointed towards him after we told him to stop driving, that decision he made changed the whole outcome. 

I was this officer and this is simply not true.

The exact words were "fuck off, fuck off now" and then he immediately shot, as seen in my video. 

TO FAMILIARISE YOURSELF WITH THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE:

Quality: "the degree of excellence of something." - I dont see any "excellence" in the above.

The RDM rule states:

"(G1.2) Random Death Match (RDM) - Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM. (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. “Put your hands up or I will shoot” and countdowns are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering violence.) - Mass RDM is a permanent ban."

Please tell me at what time i had "enough time" to comply? 

I must also add: "(G7.5) Police Sirens - When the Police put on their sirens lights to pull you over to attend a scene this does not mean RP has been initiated on their point, if you shoot without engaging in RP then this is classed as RDM."

Therefore, when attempting the box, we were not "initiated" and therefore the quality of the "initiation" is "fuck off" which as per the below report "fuck off" is not enough to "open fire" on someone.



Regardless of the rest of this report (the above is the only part im going to comment on), i suggest if you want to come off like a big hard patronising man, you at least get your facts straight.

My video: 

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I wont comment any further

 

[Josh Lander]

harry mate it’s a pleasure to see you reply,

firstly i think you have misunderstood completely and misread so i’m going to lay it out for you so it’s easier to understand i may of wrote it in a way you couldn’t understand. i was not referring to your car being fired upon i was referring to the original transporting vehicle. 

So firstly i find your attitude very disrespectful and feel as if your angry on how the matter played out yes it was a bad outcome you were killed however these actions were made after the decision the original driver took so, in your next replies i would like less hostility please harry.

as you misunderstood and thought i was speaking about you being told to stop with multiple guns pointed towards it was not it was the officer who was driving the jaguar. it may of been my fault you misunderstood or a fault on your behalf, just take you time reading next time.

Therefore, when attempting the box, we were not "initiated" and therefore the quality of the "initiation" is "fuck off" which as per the below report "fuck off" is not enough to "open fire" on someone.

as i mentioned before you have allowed yourself and involved yourself in a ongoing situation you were not the start of this situation , you decided as traffic officer with a glock to respond to shots fired with heavy weapons and attempted one of your many road tactics in the middle of this situation in the middle of all of us. 

thanks for reading 

I was this officer and this is simply not true.

This was however the matter but you were not the officer who i was talking about, you weren’t at prison driving a jaguar?

TO FAMILIARISE YOURSELF WITH THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE:

i suggest you try understand it before trying to mock me

 

[Harry Catraz]

My attitude is not disrespectful or hostile. I simply quoted back to you the words you said to Josh. It is an 18+ community. If you feel disrespected by my reply, feel free to raise another forum report in line with the rules C1.1 to C1.15. That can be dealt with separately.

Nothing further to add.

 

[Josh Lander]

no worries mate things can be seen differently might of been easier to understand if you asked us to liaison.

however i hoped you understood that none of that was about you and the original driver i was referring to was the jaguar.

 

[Pluto_]

Afternoon Harry mate,

I want to touch on the comment that you've said stating that someone was chased down like a "dog" there was an officer shot and the car was swiftly chased down and was taken hostage as you can see in his video we then took the downed officers and traded them for the member that was in prison custody, allowing further RP and a chance for those officers that were downed to survive and continue the RP story line. Firstly the reason that I do not believe this was RDM is due to the fact that you're responding to a Prison break and reported gun shots, as the first officer managed to get away - that should be the first tell tale sign that this could get "messy". You then decided to attempt to box one of the vehicles in who you can assume is armed, the fact he is trying to break someone out of prison should give you a good indication that he probably doesn't want to be there himself. After the incident occurred the downed police members and the alive ones that were taken hostage rounded up and further RP occurred, with medical RP being given from the alive officer as he is trained. This allows the chance for officers that survided to carry on the RP story line potentially getting redemption and justice for the actions taken upon them, as the officers were eventually traded off at lower pillbox for the return of our member, there was a dispatch made there was a proper hostage taking negotiation using the threats of taking the officers lives if our member was not returned, medical RP was provided whilst these negotiations were on-going. Overall the situation was done with RP and we got the member back, you responded to a scenario where guns had already been fired at officers tensions were high and you expect to be able to box and arrest one of the persons that you were chasing with no backlash or attempt to stop this from happening.

I can appreciate the fact that this situation might not have gone in the way of the police, however we still did our utmost to make the situation fun for all allowing multiple opportunities to further the RP story line with numerous officers surviving and knowing our names/who we are, the roleplay continued after the firefight and was done through coordination with other police officers on duty so we could get our member back, you didn't really engage with much of that and if your want was for more RP I would have expected the opposite, now I understand you've stated you were shot in the head however that is completely your choice to roleplay you've been shot in the head and re-spawn.

 The example that you stated of being taken hostage did happen as is shown in the clip provided. The person was shot initially because if a criminal is currently in a shootout with police and sees another police car coming towards him he/she is going to assume the worst, it was only after that the police decided to flea the area that we were able to take them hostage.

Overall you're responding to a "ambush" that has gone wrong, a panic alarm activated, multiple talks over the radio about what has happened, knowing that gunshots have been fired and there is a chance that you could be fired upon aswell, attempted to box one of the armed suspects in and arrest them and you have been shot because of that.

Now if this situation was to happen without the previous incident allowing knowledge to be gained of armed suspects and the previous altercation with the police member being shot at then I would say you're correct in calling this Random, however with that knowledge gained in RP that you're responding to an incident such as this I would be proceding with caution as you know the people you're attempting to arrest have already shot at police and are more than likely willing to do so again to avoid being caught as the main reasoning behind doing so is to avoid one of their members going to prison.

I appreciate the time that you have spent writing the report I would have also appreciated if you spent sometime attempting to liase this situation with us and so you might have been able to hear our side to the story.

 

[Bowen]

What on earth is this sly digging at each other about? Grow up, state facts and provide evidence for/against the report. This us Vs them shit has to stop. We are all here to make a better community, anyone who doesn't want to do that? go somewhere else. 

That being said, I will let you get back to this report. Keep it civil and be adults. 

 

[Liam]

Hello @Josh Lewis

You've listed C1.14, which is Threats to Report. Whilst yes it does say Breaking RP, its more towards stating "Im going to report you for that shit RP" in game. Was this broken? Or did you mean another rule? 

 

[Guest]

Hi Liam,

Hello @Josh Lewis

You've listed C1.14, which is Threats to Report. Whilst yes it does say Breaking RP, its more towards stating "Im going to report you for that shit RP" in game. Was this broken? Or did you mean another rule? 

If the rule is more geared towards your example, no, so happy to withdraw that part of the report.

Cheers

 

[Liam]

Your report is currently being reviewed, Please be patient while the evidence is reviewed

Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

 

[Liam]

Hello all,

Sorry this report has been dragged out this far, but as many know we do have a life and this is quite a chunky report..

This is absolutely dreadful Roleplay, all I hear before Harry is downed is “Dick Head, Fuck off now” then he is shot, and downed. Where is the roleplay? Where is the fun experience for him? There wasn't any, and he never enjoyed this interaction.

Well, this will be an additional ban placed onto @Lazzfor Random Death Match this week.

Report added to current ban notes

 

[Liam]

Thank you for doing your part in keeping the community clean.

Your report has been approved and action has been taken against the reported player.

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