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- Northern Ireland
slanderI pretty sure their is some slander going on.
ˈslɑːndə/
noun
LAW
1.
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
slanderI pretty sure their is some slander going on.
You can tell when a good man has just had a bad day. He accepts some blame, makes amends, makes peace, protects friendships and settles accounts with honour and grace. It is the mark of a decent, normal, non-perfect human being.
You can tell when man is really a bad man - they never make peace; they will attempt to shift the blame; they will never, ever accept that they even did the tiniest thing wrong; and they will use threats, subterfuge, deceit and abuse as a means to try and make the other party (who may already have admitted their own mistakes and be looking to make peace) look like everything was entirely the other party's fault. A bad person will repeatedly try to regain access to places they have been told they're unwelcome in, so that they can continue to spill their venom, continue fights, and make out they are blameless. A truly bad person continues this behaviour indefinitely until they are either stopped, or they change themselves and become good people again - if that is even possible for them.
For the record, there are very few people who fall into that second category above, here in this community - either now, or in the past. But there were some, and we do our best to keep them out, because they consume far too many resources and make nothing but stress and pain for all members of the community they come into contact with, whether they are players, managers, admins or supporters.
There are many people who have been banned from here in the past for being various shades of 'dick'. Oftentimes, if they've grown up, or thought about their actions long enough, they'll admit (even if only privately to themselves) that the reaction (and ban) they received from the community managers was to be expected, and was generally done in the best interests of protecting the wider community from a loose cannon on deck. The ones who have the balls to admit publicly the conduct that got them into trouble, or even just privately to the staff/management, will usually find themselves with a way back in after the dust has settled and a suitable 'grace period' has been satisfied. We're all human here, after all, and life's too short to maintain any fight for long. There are more important things to be doing. Like having fun, and RPing everything, for starters...
But a few - just a tiny few - are really quite scarily horrendous. They will (and do) attack our servers, DDOSing us out of sheer resentment. They swear, fight, and abuse the volunteer teams who are, after all, really only just trying to keep order. Tempers do flare, sometimes - and sometimes on both sides - but the grown up way is to calm down after a while, and bury hatchets, make amends, apologise, find a halfway-house and carry on with happy lives. Sometimes the only way is to stay apart, but many times, it's back together again, which is great. Either way, the war ends. The dispute ceases. Life goes on, with or without.
Unfortunately, some people just do not have any 'off-switch', and cannot ever bring themselves to do this. Instead of cooling off once they're isolated, they will lurk, waiting like vultures, to strike again. And again. They will escalate. They will make death threats. They steal private information if they can, and publish it in order to cause mayhem. They will post doctored photos of volunteers' family members with horrid captions or foul comments. They make public comments about wishing that our family members die or catch cancer. They repeatedly attempt to return to a place they've already scorched and burned, to scorch it and burn it some more, like a sick dog returning to its own vomit. The fact is, I think most times, the person they are angriest at most of all, is themselves... because they had a good thing, and they blew it, and it really, really burns them to have lost it. They burned their bridges so badly, that it would take a saint to forgive them - and none of us are saints with that much patience! So they know that while they are still 'in high mood' there is no return for them, but they cannot calm down, and still miss what they lost, what they threw away. So they rail against the moon, howl into the wind, and constantly throw themselves back into the fray in order to keep the fight alive, to make a point when there is none to make, nothing more to be said, and simply end up showing the world what futility and unbounded anger look like. This is the strategy of either a very sick person, or a fool - or both.
It's been oft-commented that either Einstein or Benjamin Franklin once said "The definition of insanity is repeating the same behaviour endlessly and expecting a different result." Personally, I don't believe either of them said it, but it's a decent enough quote, so I'll post it here anyway. But I will change it to this, and re-attribute it to me:
"The definition of insanity is repeating the same combative and abusive behaviour and expecting people to believe that you are NOT toxic."
Ask yourself. Is it really wrong of us to wish away the people who behave like this, who attack us, you, our servers, our friends, our innocent families? If someone has sullied their reputation to the point that no matter how you approach a possible solution with them, they will always just fight more, sling more manure, escalate the fight and pile more anger and abuse onto an already significant heap of the same?
In my view, no, it's not wrong to bar them indefinitely. Some people are, sadly, either beyond redemption, or at the very least, not at a state-of-mind currently where they can been redeemed, at least not without significant risk to personal or community safety. Maybe one day they will calm down and discuss their problems like rational human beings, and maybe one day, trust may be regained, hugs exchanged, and doors may be reopened. Maybe not. I'm a realist with a slightly optimistic twist... but I'm not a bloody fool.
TL;DR...
If you have shat on my doorstep yesterday, and you shit on it again today, I'm going to believe that you have every intention of shitting on it again tomorrow. And I will stop you at the end of my street, if I have to, until I know you have made amends for this defacatory behaviour. Then - and only then - can we begin to talk about WHY you may have felt the need to shit on my doorstep in the first place, and if I am partly to blame for motivating you that way, then I will attempt to make amends for that. But first, you must stop shitting on my doorstep!
"A picture is worth a thousand words"
You received a warning point not a ban. Fuel posted nothing constructive and just basically cried. However, some points you was saying was constructive but others was not. You was posting stupid stuff from the past about Fishers story all irrelevant stuff. Comments like this is what got it hidden " [SIZE=14.666666666666666px]“[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]i’m taking 1.6 - just like the rest[/SIZE] " not constructive is it?When i see thoose post, i must say that i dislike the way you're bringing out the messages or news, once for fact i do not know the full story from your POV yet, but i know it from my own POV, every single person making a statement about what they dislike about the community, is being hidden or deleted, i read for an example fuels departure, but unable to track it down anymore, i am unable to find my own, 2 page long departure message aswell, from my POV the only thing i can agree in, is that you are hiding alot of information, and side stories, to strengthen your own story.
I do wonder why i was not banned, actually i do not care anymore, this has shown me what this community has been made into over the two years i've been here.
I was not here to cause drama by posting that bye post, i did this to make people open their eyes, players, staff, whoever read it, and then choose what they want to believe themselves.
- Fabrizio Rizzo Rodrigues Henandez
(Yea you can post restrict this account aswell, ban both account and hide the post again, just to supply my statement)
Some posts have been hidden/deleted, this is true. Some by staff, some by management - so far none by me though, I will honestly say. However, I have access to the ones that have been hidden and the majority (I will not lie and say *all*) have been hidden not because they simply disagree, but because they have disagreed in an explosive, abusive, foul or really unpleasant way.When i see thoose post, i must say that i dislike the way you're bringing out the messages or news, once for fact i do not know the full story from your POV yet, but i know it from my own POV, every single person making a statement about what they dislike about the community, is being hidden or deleted, i read for an example fuels departure, but unable to track it down anymore, i am unable to find my own, 2 page long departure message aswell, from my POV the only thing i can agree in, is that you are hiding alot of information, and side stories, to strengthen your own story.
I do wonder why i was not banned, actually i do not care anymore, this has shown me what this community has been made into over the two years i've been here.
I was not here to cause drama by posting that bye post, i did this to make people open their eyes, players, staff, whoever read it, and then choose what they want to believe themselves.
- Fabrizio Rizzo Rodrigues Henandez
(Yea you can post restrict this account aswell, ban both account and hide the post again, just to supply my statement)
Before I leave, I just want to say. @Vladic KaI got a wee message in my in box about my comment of vile people. Let me just clarify that one. There are also a lot of great guys that have joined the group too. I don't care about being specific here. Here is a list of names of the players that did some really nasty shit when they got banned from here and are part of the rip off community:
Fetty Wap
GeunuinAF
Jamz
TI Ben
PaulS
aTa (This motherfucker shared out the personal details of our support members)
Im sure there are more with steam names I don't recognise but that's the main guys that I'm talking about when I said that.
I personally think not, I don't know if you remember how I left, I left like a toxic piece of shit. So did a lot of the people who are involved in this new group. It's like the whole ScottMcdotter or whatever the fuck his name is, situation, people who are involved with him got banned. These bans (many of which have been overturned I believe when people haven't acted like children) have been put up to show that RPUK isn't gonna deal with this kind of crap. I remember playing with quite a few of the people who got banned and defected. They weren't fun to play with, people like Fetty Wap(who constantly metagamed) and GenuineAF who broke RP all the time. If I was RPUK I wouldn't want these kind of people inside the community, and I wouldn't want people who enjoy playing with their playstyles inside my server either.To ban the people who got invited to it was a bit much
You call Fetty Wap vile, you get likes on your post. I call Fetty Wap a snake. I get a community ban. How does that work? Like, I have no intention of coming back to the community but when we talk about unfair bans, how does mine work?I got a wee message in my in box about my comment of vile people. Let me just clarify that one. There are also a lot of great guys that have joined the group too. I don't care about being specific here. Here is a list of names of the players that did some really nasty shit when they got banned from here and are part of the rip off community:
Fetty Wap
GeunuinAF
Jamz
TI Ben
PaulS
aTa (This motherfucker shared out the personal details of our support members)
Im sure there are more with steam names I don't recognise but that's the main guys that I'm talking about when I said that.
Because Fetty used to be a decent member of the community, I'd assume you got banned from him reporting who when you did something you shouldn't and got salty about it. If you have no intention of coming back, leave.You call Fetty Wap vile, you get likes on your post. I call Fetty Wap a snake. I get a community ban. How does that work? Like, I have no intention of coming back to the community but when we talk about unfair bans, how does mine work?
Thank you Axolotl.All nice and wise words from mr. Jacko, reasonable as always.
But I think what management has to understand is that many bans issued in the past were simply too harsh. It has created an atmosphere of fear and hate mongering. Many of these banned people feel hard done by, by simply choosing to play with their friends. It has made people angry and since their bans are irreversible they've got nothing to lose by trolling and such. (Im obviously not referring to people banned that burned bridges).
I myself felt forced to leave simply because my friends were banned. And I wouldve understood those bans if it was for serious rules broken, but most were banned simply for sitting on another TS speaking to banned members. They themselves never did anything toxic. Which makes me question why the hell Im not banned.
It's time to realise people will always talk shit, especially about the things we care about. Let them talk as long as they play and dont openly ruin fun for others, who cares if they whine that theres no framework, or gossip or whatever else people like to whine about. It's the same as people always complaining about the government. You cant make everyone happy, doesnt mean you should exclude unhappy people from society. (Or in this case, the community)
For me, personally, Im sticking with my friends. If possible, Ill still roam about in an ifrit from time to time with some of the other friends I made here. Just wanted to post as its a shame to see whats happened.
Firstly, @Vladic Kadid not call FW 'vile'. He alluded to that, yes. But he never said it. He actually said:You call Fetty Wap vile, you get likes on your post. I call Fetty Wap a snake. I get a community ban. How does that work? Like, I have no intention of coming back to the community but when we talk about unfair bans, how does mine work?
wow...just wow(This motherfucker shared out the personal details of our support members)
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