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Rebel life [Discussion]
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Entropy
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Improvements are most likely what @Ronald Strauss Put forward.
- Deny Poseidon involvement in any HM robberies or large operations ( Weapon cache etc. ), keep it a cartel faction.
- Improve rebel prices to be competitive with Poseidons.
- Give rebel some identity features that differ from Poseidon ( Linking to the first point, the ability to do HMs and weapon caches )
- Improve rebel economy with money features that aren't simply beaten by Poseidons. ( Such as their own processor )@
- Something that i have always said since 2016, make HEMMT runs worth more than any other vehicle. Encourages convoys of drugs and not just invincible Huron runs. and also increases money in-come.
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Longbow
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See this is why this type of thing happens every month or so rebel dont live it when you tell them they are wrong. Police don't want change . And Poseidon is just sitting and enjoying the fight
Simon Ross
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Tbh this post, although having good suggestions is unnecessary. The dev team can look back on 3-5 hidden posts about rebel life which are all full of good ideas among all the other crap put on them. They can use all these along with their own thoughts to do this, another post isn’t overly necessary and this is already getting off topic. Yes rebel & Poseidon need to be clearly distinguished between because currently their purpose overlaps too much and it doesn’t make sense to play as a rebel when you can play as Poseidon. Police is currently the most balanced imo
As well as a note about Poseidon killing rebel. There is more factors but where are all the members which will make up a faction come from? Can’t empty out the police so a significant number will come from rebel and most people who have made it far in police wouldn’t want to give up their position
As well as a note about Poseidon killing rebel. There is more factors but where are all the members which will make up a faction come from? Can’t empty out the police so a significant number will come from rebel and most people who have made it far in police wouldn’t want to give up their position
Entropy
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Very true, but Poseidon is massive, lets be honest. That is mainly a population issue of Arma 3 in general though.
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Actually a lot of people came to Poseidon from the Police. I don’t feel like we have stolen many “rebels” from the server. Mostly a few hobos and the odd big names.
For those who say Poseidon do runs all day - no we don’t, and 90% of runs are done in HEMTTs. Most taru runs are done by higher ranks who take a sit back for 20-30mins, or are done during the quiet hours. Rebels do runs anytime anyday. Poseidon do them rarely, when money is needed.
Personally I joined Poseidon as it was the only aspect of the server I had yet to experience. Rebel wasn’t dead for me (although true I hadn’t played it long) - but for me Poseidon is very different to rebel life and I prefer the rank structure and a genuine purpose of it compared to rebel.. where you’re essentially driving around being a nuisance to most people you meet. Whilst I agree that there could be greater distinction between the two, there are changes in the pipeline I believe - but ultimately we can’t just kick people out of Poseidon to make more people play rebel - we’ll just make people not play.
For those who say Poseidon do runs all day - no we don’t, and 90% of runs are done in HEMTTs. Most taru runs are done by higher ranks who take a sit back for 20-30mins, or are done during the quiet hours. Rebels do runs anytime anyday. Poseidon do them rarely, when money is needed.
Personally I joined Poseidon as it was the only aspect of the server I had yet to experience. Rebel wasn’t dead for me (although true I hadn’t played it long) - but for me Poseidon is very different to rebel life and I prefer the rank structure and a genuine purpose of it compared to rebel.. where you’re essentially driving around being a nuisance to most people you meet. Whilst I agree that there could be greater distinction between the two, there are changes in the pipeline I believe - but ultimately we can’t just kick people out of Poseidon to make more people play rebel - we’ll just make people not play.
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Nuclear
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Alright so lets adress this its not 90% less its about 50-60% less (dont know th exact just judging based of prices ,keep in mind we do fight a lot more than a normal rebel would since we get hit by rebel gangs and cops and we cant always pick our fights as if someone needs help we got to help) so increasing loadout prices when i have to buy 10 in a restart id probably stop playing or leave the server .But yeah i get where you are coming from i definetly think rebels should recive a discount where Poseidons prices should stay where they are right now.
Ipersonally play whitelisted factions cause of the rp aspect of it (I dont like the Police anymore and rebel life is to pricey) since i dont like doing runs (overdid them and theyre just not fun anymore) so if i had to do a run as Poseidon to buy 1 loadout yeah you can fuck right off with that with the ammount of times i get initiated on i rather go naked which would render me useless and an easy target. Essentially all im saying if prices for Poseidon got increased people would start posting save Poseidon life posts and hop the faction to Police(free gear cough cough) Essentially you would be killing a faction life and rebel life would still suck.
I wouldnt say they are joining us because of the enforcment feeling that is similar to police some of them just like to play with their friends, but if you wish to think that go for it. Our specialised units are different than the cops ones and a lot lower in numbers, Lobo's have different rules to AR and they dont get to go geared overpowered all the time theres barely 1 patrol a day if even as theyre logged. Air trained again similar but different in a lot of ways , sea dogs different again.Not going to go into detail some things just need to be experienced i know on the outside it looks different than it actually is.
Lowering of prices should happen for rebels definetly , Mayor crimes are a joke honestly im reading this laughing my ass off why would you stop the "cartel" from doing a bank its not like we do many, we dont even do one a week we dont have the numbers most of the time or the firepower (25 poseidon if we are lucky vs 40 cops) . I can tell you right now restricting me personally from doing an HM or RBA or AR weapon cache would simply make me either not play on this server anymore or i would make a gang and do it as a civ with all the people id do it with as Poseidon so do you really gain anything? Its not like we are taking it away from rebels we barely get involved with thoose things (we have internal limit of 1 per week on each of thoose things).
Also im sick of you cops saying Poseidon should pay more bla bla bla bla when you get everything thats on the server to give for free except for some mags which we all know about as you all cry about it like its the end of the world.
I dont believe either of the factions need a change to fix rebel life cause frankly rebel life is only dead because of the same runs all the time and the insane loadout prices.I believe if you actually made rebel life interesting Poseidon and Police would lose a lot of members each as we have a lot of people that prefer that kind of playstyle but why would they bother if you need to do a 1h long run to buy a assault rifle that doesnt even do much in the end.
I read somewhere Poseidon is massive , we are really not we are circulating beetween 70-85 members (a lot of them are active at different times , holiday, inactive), we havent actually passed 85 ever in the entire time since the faction has been a thing (even when rebel life dies we maybe got about 7 members that were specifically rebel players so i dont think the issue is there, Cops are the massive faction i dont know exact number but im sure someone can tell us. So i wouldnt say any faction is to blame really theres just no rebels cause they either Leave the server after they get fucked over by the massive costs or overresponse of a faction to as something as simple as a gast station ive seen over responses by police and poseidon (can you blame either tho ive been on patrol this past month finding someone to actually talk to is hard , people that do highgrade dont even want to talk to you as all they want is money asap) |-----| They try and join a w/l faction and get denied or fail the training | |-----|They stay and just do runs and nothing else.
Also id like to point out as though it might seem i am defending Poseidon i am really not i just want you guys to know how it really is so you know how it actually is and you dont go based of rumors.I also believed i pointed out the real issues as some of the points ive read just target Poseidon for no other reason than you simply hate us (thats how it came across to me in some ) I just dont believe nerfing a faction will solve the rebel life issues the way you expect .Besides the factions were fine all this time the only thing recently that destroyed rebel life was increased price on weapon/scopes. So you know the fix rethink it again and adjust at the end of the day you need to adjust to the players more thatn personal preference.
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Lets go to what i personally fell like would improve this server and with it the entire faction/rebel/hobo life
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1.Lowering the prices of weapons for rebels :
- No wonder rebel life is dead if you charge nearly 1 milion per a loadout which most of the time isnt even that good, people pay for quality but this is a scam at best
- The whole weapon prices need reajusting
- Most people dont want to do 1 run = 1 loadout runs are boring especially these days when you can only really do High Grade or Diamonds (Dynamic market needed)
- SMG should be cheap like around 70k a piece if not even less as theyre pretty bad at anything further than 100m they would be a perfect go to for low money players and theyre fun to use.
- Everything else should be a lot cheaper i dont think any loadout should go over 500-600k as its just unrealistic specially with so many things that can happen and kill you so you end up losing it.
- Very boring to do only 2 profitable runs on the server High-Grade and Diamonds
- Would give everyone more to do as people would be more spread out
- Ive read someone said make hemmts the best vehicles +1 to that man everyone is just doing huron runs (blame the economy and no increasing weapon prices wont fix the economy)
- More content i personally would love too see some old unused runs being removed and replaced by something new and exciting.
- Theres tons of suggestions out there id love to see a lot of stuff written there
- Idk about police but poseidons drugstash & casino never get attempted at all (probably since there is no rebels but its been like that since forever i can count all the attempts of both of them combined on 2 hands ) Im pretty sure me and other people in Poseidon would love to see more things that could potentially be done to us , perhaps something that could be done to our family compound that would perhaps weaken us for a restart could be interesting idk just guessing = more content for rebels .
Now this isnt the half of it what could be done /improved but i would say these are the biggest issues including some that are not combined with development that i have not mentioned. I personally believe that if most or even half of the things ive mentioned were to happen you would see some gangs back again . Now if we go the other direction tho and increase the prices even more i fear we will potentially even lose players not just rebels.
Also if we get some gangs back please dont be to harsh to them for being a good gang that actually causes troubles (to the factions and gangs ) thats what the word rebel means does it not you rebel against the authority the factions/other gangs represent.
But yeah we will see if anything happens i personally hope it will this server without rebels has been the most boring time on rpuk as Poseidon for me so far and ive been here for a while loving every moment, sorry for the long response but i had a lot to say
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Simon Ross
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I’m away so won’t respond to it all but for this part, all the gangs I have been I. Generally avoid it because Poseidon are generally much more on top of their major crimes. They respond faster, with much more strength, and often there is no delaying it without an RP story, whereas police you can exploit the handbook and processes(negotiating, fake hostages, how they must present themselves every time) to get the jump and elongate scenarios for the better profits. Recently in the when I did the AR, in a greater than 50% of them police didn’t even turn up
Poseidon also generally seem to be made of better shooters, so a gunfight against 10 of them is generally harder than against 10 police
overall it is because from my perspective (and I also believe many of past gang members too) police major crimes are always so much easier to pull off
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In my opinion there are not enough differences between rebel and Poseidon. The benefits of Poseidon don't balance out the negatives. For anyone who isn't heavily invested in rebel life, joining a white listed faction is the obvious choice.
Things need to be balanced out more, there needs to be more downsides to joining Poseidon as there is little incentive to do otherwise really. In a game of cops and robbers, there needs to be enough robbers to warrant the cops being there, and enough of a reason for robbers to stick about.
Things need to be balanced out more, there needs to be more downsides to joining Poseidon as there is little incentive to do otherwise really. In a game of cops and robbers, there needs to be enough robbers to warrant the cops being there, and enough of a reason for robbers to stick about.
Darthvade
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It's very interesting to point out that everyone sharing their views on this topic is either from police/poseidon or a longtime player. May i share a hobo perspective? 
Never has life as a rebel been so boring and dangerous. At least for the average rebel. As the economy is stalling under two major runs ( high grade or diamonds) the losses in income and experiences as a rebel are steadly increasing.
I would suggest everyone to stand for 1hour near the diamond factory during prime time (hidden). I did this already. Every 15 minutes you will see either a SUV, chopper, etc passing by the factory, scouting for possible victims. Yesterday i watched a new-player getting robbed 4 times in 40 minutes in the factory (I felt so bad that i gave him some money). He told me that those "well-armed" rebels kept coming back because they were bored ( they told him that). I have not seem him again online. Interesting enough, you will find that a lot of those "well-armed" rebels are members of police and poseidon, taking a break by doing rebel stuff.
Can we also talk about the lack of mid-tier groups? And how closed high-tier groups are at the moment? Mid-tier groups used to represent the largest portion of players, groups that included new arrivals but also longtime players. Those groups have helped the integration of new players in the island and given the older players a chance for new RP and contexts. At the moment, there is a lack of mid-tier groups. There are either hobo groups with new players, getting robbed 24/7 or multiple high-tier groups, with mostly older players focused on robbing anything that moves or forcing gunfights to feed their ego. I feel like the older playerbase is closing itself ( by old i mean the "time played in the server"). I don't think the staff can do anything specific about this but is good to remember the older playerbase that creating large filters in their social relations in the server, in such a small community, might lead to our downfall.
Everyone begins as a rebel. The playerbase at the moment is getting really low ( i haven't seen the server hit 130 players in a while). Since rebel life has become so negative, how is the server suppose to hold on new players? Changes are needed and i would say structural and economical changes are the most important. It has already been said in this topic but we most increase the profitability of rebel life. Rebel life is the soul of the server!
Just think about it, for the average rebel doing a diamond run in a hemtt, if sucessful, he will lose around 45 minutes to make 800k ( cost of the poseidon pass already covered). He will spend at least 300k for a decent gear. He will then go try to do another run to save for Advance. The likelyhood of being robbed is very high. He is robbed. He loses the weapons he just bought, his hemtt and the diamonds which he spent 30 minutes mining and processing. He will have now to buy a new hemtt ( 550k) + new gear ( 200k) + poseidon passes ( 100k). Well, he just lost three hours for nothing. He leaves the server.
Rebel life is not hard for a Pleb ( sorry for the reference
). Rebel life is hard for the average rebel.
Never has life as a rebel been so boring and dangerous. At least for the average rebel. As the economy is stalling under two major runs ( high grade or diamonds) the losses in income and experiences as a rebel are steadly increasing.
I would suggest everyone to stand for 1hour near the diamond factory during prime time (hidden). I did this already. Every 15 minutes you will see either a SUV, chopper, etc passing by the factory, scouting for possible victims. Yesterday i watched a new-player getting robbed 4 times in 40 minutes in the factory (I felt so bad that i gave him some money). He told me that those "well-armed" rebels kept coming back because they were bored ( they told him that). I have not seem him again online. Interesting enough, you will find that a lot of those "well-armed" rebels are members of police and poseidon, taking a break by doing rebel stuff.
Can we also talk about the lack of mid-tier groups? And how closed high-tier groups are at the moment? Mid-tier groups used to represent the largest portion of players, groups that included new arrivals but also longtime players. Those groups have helped the integration of new players in the island and given the older players a chance for new RP and contexts. At the moment, there is a lack of mid-tier groups. There are either hobo groups with new players, getting robbed 24/7 or multiple high-tier groups, with mostly older players focused on robbing anything that moves or forcing gunfights to feed their ego. I feel like the older playerbase is closing itself ( by old i mean the "time played in the server"). I don't think the staff can do anything specific about this but is good to remember the older playerbase that creating large filters in their social relations in the server, in such a small community, might lead to our downfall.
Everyone begins as a rebel. The playerbase at the moment is getting really low ( i haven't seen the server hit 130 players in a while). Since rebel life has become so negative, how is the server suppose to hold on new players? Changes are needed and i would say structural and economical changes are the most important. It has already been said in this topic but we most increase the profitability of rebel life. Rebel life is the soul of the server!
Just think about it, for the average rebel doing a diamond run in a hemtt, if sucessful, he will lose around 45 minutes to make 800k ( cost of the poseidon pass already covered). He will spend at least 300k for a decent gear. He will then go try to do another run to save for Advance. The likelyhood of being robbed is very high. He is robbed. He loses the weapons he just bought, his hemtt and the diamonds which he spent 30 minutes mining and processing. He will have now to buy a new hemtt ( 550k) + new gear ( 200k) + poseidon passes ( 100k). Well, he just lost three hours for nothing. He leaves the server.
Rebel life is not hard for a Pleb ( sorry for the reference
). Rebel life is hard for the average rebel.
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Tommy Shelby
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I remember a couple of years back patrolling to rob somebody for 10 hours a day with TCK for about 4 days in a row and not finding one person who was 'worth robbing', when I joined the UNMC I found there was much more enjoyment for me, we planned missions etc, I startee making my own specialised unit etc, gear was a good price so I didn't spend hours waiting for a medic as a wouldnt lose too much.
I'd say the most enjoyable time was when the UNMC and Police were at war, everyone was on edge, there'd be great hostage roleplay scenarios etc, police say they hated it but in reality it was the only time in weeks that the cops slots would be full 24/7.
I dont know if anybody has written this yet but I think a server 'wipe' and map change would be the best thing.
Reset everyone's money back to £100,000, clear all vehicles, licenses, levels, disband gangs and allow people to start all over again (obviously just recreate the gangs).
For the first couple of months poseidon pay rebel prices for things etc to not get an unfair advantage at first, police have limited capability regarding AR units blah blah.
Just think that a refresh would be beneficial, too many people have 50 mil + in their bank, some people litterally only come on to rob and shoot, so force people to re do runs again.
People shall complain but I guarantee that most people shall love starting again, also gives the newbies of the server a chance to actually make it somewhere and start their own gang.
I also think with the right advertisement this would bring people from other severs, one thing that put me off when I joined is that i had 0 idea of what an RP server was.
I remember being in the olddddd Kavala Square, in hobo clothes with @zivdol running round with a MK14 and full rebel gear wondering how tf do I do that, if I hadn't have joined TCK within the first week and had help from other gang members I probably wouldn't have stuck around. So giving people an opportunity to start equal is appealing, remember you've got guys who have been here for years and guys who have been on here for a couple months.
Perhaps have a month long vote, ask about who would want a server 'reset'.
I havent been on for a year but I'm sure my thoughts are still relevant now.
I'd say the most enjoyable time was when the UNMC and Police were at war, everyone was on edge, there'd be great hostage roleplay scenarios etc, police say they hated it but in reality it was the only time in weeks that the cops slots would be full 24/7.
I dont know if anybody has written this yet but I think a server 'wipe' and map change would be the best thing.
Reset everyone's money back to £100,000, clear all vehicles, licenses, levels, disband gangs and allow people to start all over again (obviously just recreate the gangs).
For the first couple of months poseidon pay rebel prices for things etc to not get an unfair advantage at first, police have limited capability regarding AR units blah blah.
Just think that a refresh would be beneficial, too many people have 50 mil + in their bank, some people litterally only come on to rob and shoot, so force people to re do runs again.
People shall complain but I guarantee that most people shall love starting again, also gives the newbies of the server a chance to actually make it somewhere and start their own gang.
I also think with the right advertisement this would bring people from other severs, one thing that put me off when I joined is that i had 0 idea of what an RP server was.
I remember being in the olddddd Kavala Square, in hobo clothes with @zivdol running round with a MK14 and full rebel gear wondering how tf do I do that, if I hadn't have joined TCK within the first week and had help from other gang members I probably wouldn't have stuck around. So giving people an opportunity to start equal is appealing, remember you've got guys who have been here for years and guys who have been on here for a couple months.
Perhaps have a month long vote, ask about who would want a server 'reset'.
I havent been on for a year but I'm sure my thoughts are still relevant now.
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Simon Ross
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So for the sake of those who spend a couple hours on runs and lose it all people who put thousands of hours into the server should lose it all? This will kill rebel life, because a lot of long term players will go to faction and not even bother thinking about playing rebel, or just up and leave whilst staying around on the forums and teamspeak...
as for new map - there amount of choices which can be jsed(Malden, Stratis, dk if one more?) are pretty crap and players generally go to altis so whilst it may be good short term, it most likely would flop long term
Tommy Shelby
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Coco
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Would it be possible to get a reply from either staff or management/community managers on their opinions and what they think could help?
It’s not hard, no. But it is boring and also annoying sometimes. Nearly a mil for a loadout with a car95 isn’t sustainable, never mind anything bigger. Just nothing to do apart from rob people
Aajonus Vonderplanit
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I will go into some of the following points after and how I think they are effecting current circumstances,
"Too little to do on 70% of the map", what I mean by this is ofcourse everywhere other than poseidon lands, you drive around and all the runs are either hobos or empty, there is no point patrolling as a rebel in this part of the map so you decide to go into poseidon lands, this will either mean paying to go in and still get harrassed when robbing someone or not paying and poseidon forcing a gunfight which the rebels will later get blamed for AFAIK. My fix to this would be change how poseidon runs are done, it's mentioned in this suggestion - https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/117496-remove-poseidon-drug-dealer/ ,although it's aimed at "the rebels making too much money" I agree that you shouldn't be able to do full runs within poseidon lands "aH bUT wE hAVe tO sPACe ThE lOCaTionS" yes you space the locations but it is still too easy to do poseidon runs (which pay more than standard runs and are easier to do), it makes no sense for anyone to ever be in the mainland to make money, this all draws into police vs poseidon which I know has been outlined by multiple staff and command in each of those 2 factions, instead of blaming the 2 factions you should open your eyes and see that there is only 1 thing that police and poseidon can fight on and it's the OP high grade runs which are way too easy to do and even easier for poseidon to protect, there is a huge spiral which starts ultimately at these stupid runs, they "ruin the economy" which is meant to have been getting fixed slowly but keeps getting worse for those who want to abuse it, they make sure that if you want to keep up as a rebel you HAVE to do them and if you want to do more than arrest 2 TRG warriors in a police patrol you have to go into poseidon lands as literally NOTHING else happens EVER, and all of this could so easily be fixed and balanced out by just tweaking how highgrade drugs work, how the runs themself are done and how the product is sold.
Now there are more issues that aren't related to poseidon and police but I think a main issue for Rebel life "being dead" is the fact that there is nothing offered other than being more likely to get banned, things do need to change otherwise the server will grow stale with poseidon vs police zombie warfare, it's boring enough as it is to try and roleplay with people trying to ram a border pass down your throat, let alone when you try and find a reason not to pay it, anyway I think changing highgrade runs, weapon prices for rebels and also making mainland illegal runs worthwhile then rebels will start to show closer to kavala than the airport, I can turn these into actual suggestions with a thought out process but this is more my thoughts on what parts are making the server stale, which for me it will be with lack of rebels.
- Lack of appeal to play rebel, too much appeal from other factions
- Too little to do on 70% of the map
- Poseidon Runs
- Police Vs Poseidon
"Too little to do on 70% of the map", what I mean by this is ofcourse everywhere other than poseidon lands, you drive around and all the runs are either hobos or empty, there is no point patrolling as a rebel in this part of the map so you decide to go into poseidon lands, this will either mean paying to go in and still get harrassed when robbing someone or not paying and poseidon forcing a gunfight which the rebels will later get blamed for AFAIK. My fix to this would be change how poseidon runs are done, it's mentioned in this suggestion - https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/117496-remove-poseidon-drug-dealer/ ,although it's aimed at "the rebels making too much money" I agree that you shouldn't be able to do full runs within poseidon lands "aH bUT wE hAVe tO sPACe ThE lOCaTionS" yes you space the locations but it is still too easy to do poseidon runs (which pay more than standard runs and are easier to do), it makes no sense for anyone to ever be in the mainland to make money, this all draws into police vs poseidon which I know has been outlined by multiple staff and command in each of those 2 factions, instead of blaming the 2 factions you should open your eyes and see that there is only 1 thing that police and poseidon can fight on and it's the OP high grade runs which are way too easy to do and even easier for poseidon to protect, there is a huge spiral which starts ultimately at these stupid runs, they "ruin the economy" which is meant to have been getting fixed slowly but keeps getting worse for those who want to abuse it, they make sure that if you want to keep up as a rebel you HAVE to do them and if you want to do more than arrest 2 TRG warriors in a police patrol you have to go into poseidon lands as literally NOTHING else happens EVER, and all of this could so easily be fixed and balanced out by just tweaking how highgrade drugs work, how the runs themself are done and how the product is sold.
Now there are more issues that aren't related to poseidon and police but I think a main issue for Rebel life "being dead" is the fact that there is nothing offered other than being more likely to get banned, things do need to change otherwise the server will grow stale with poseidon vs police zombie warfare, it's boring enough as it is to try and roleplay with people trying to ram a border pass down your throat, let alone when you try and find a reason not to pay it, anyway I think changing highgrade runs, weapon prices for rebels and also making mainland illegal runs worthwhile then rebels will start to show closer to kavala than the airport, I can turn these into actual suggestions with a thought out process but this is more my thoughts on what parts are making the server stale, which for me it will be with lack of rebels.
Darthvade
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@HHarry You are right. I don't know exactly when it was but i remember one time when drugs were sold in a church in Kavala. The thrill of selling there was so intense and Kavala was always so alive. And it makes sense. Drugs processed in poseidon lands should be sold in government lands, in high urban areas, just like in real life ( instead of being in a box in the middle of nowhere).
The death of Kavala has also impact on the playerbase. Just imagine starting today, doing your apple runs and barely see anyone in the biggest city of Altis... You would get unmotivated and leave for another server. Whatever the staff do, Kavala must be the center of everything.
@Tommy Shelby i have seen more often "wipes" killing communities than saving them. The idea that eliminating current wealth to 0 will lead to a healthier server is wrong. We should however focus on distributing better the future profits. And that is done by creating a new, less two-runs-centralized economy.
The death of Kavala has also impact on the playerbase. Just imagine starting today, doing your apple runs and barely see anyone in the biggest city of Altis... You would get unmotivated and leave for another server. Whatever the staff do, Kavala must be the center of everything.
@Tommy Shelby i have seen more often "wipes" killing communities than saving them. The idea that eliminating current wealth to 0 will lead to a healthier server is wrong. We should however focus on distributing better the future profits. And that is done by creating a new, less two-runs-centralized economy.
Tommy Shelby
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The issue is this is vanilla arma, giving rebels new runs is boring, its the same old same old, unless bohemia release a new DLC with different civilian additions there's nothing new for rebels to do.
I know many people who had so much money that litterally only came on if they thought a gunfight would occur, or would tag along on runs to sit on a hill 1km away to give fire support.
Also, I'm not calling you a liar but can you give any actual named examples where this has happened? Remember RPUK is probably the most well known vanilla arma RP server so I doubt for a second it would kill the server. I know many many people who left because they had nothing new to do, they didn't need to do runs and making new ones wouldn't change it.
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Entropy
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I've made my fair share of comments here and i said i wouldn't, but i agree with everyone here except one major thing.
Making new runs will NOT fix anything.
As previously stated, it will be the exact same thing just in a new location. Runs will always be the same process/outcome. If you wanna mix up runs, make HEMMTS carry way more, so that people don't use Hurons and Tarus, and convoys are encouraged. Move the highest paying dealer to a hotspot, like old kavala church. Change the dyamnic market and the way it works, to again, encourage gang/faction convoys and operations.
Making new runs will NOT fix anything.
As previously stated, it will be the exact same thing just in a new location. Runs will always be the same process/outcome. If you wanna mix up runs, make HEMMTS carry way more, so that people don't use Hurons and Tarus, and convoys are encouraged. Move the highest paying dealer to a hotspot, like old kavala church. Change the dyamnic market and the way it works, to again, encourage gang/faction convoys and operations.
Tommy Shelby
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Exactly, the issue is also that there are so many player and gangs that have so much money that doing runs aren't necessary, that's when all you have is new players being robbed of their only truck, which creates utter boredom. It needs to be a high risk doing illegal runs, otherwise what's the point. From buying cheap and robbing I think I went 3 or 4 months without doing any runs as I didn't need too.
I dont think theres much that the dev team can actually do to 'make things more interesting' without the use of mods which understandably won't be happening.