Good morning hombres
A topic of conversation which has re-emerged among many of the police around how to best improve the current state of the server regarding police vs. criminals and all the associated problems that are occurring as we speak.
One suggestion which has come up is how prison operates and how changes to it have the potential to changing police and crim interactions for the better - by making prisoners have to be in person for their crimes. This has been suggested before (credit to ya boi Charles) but several issues were discussed in the thread that I feel could be rectified through a renewed discussion on the topic.
It's no secret, everyone knows that prison means literally nothing to major crim characters in the server. They literally say it themselves - they go frag a cop, get 720 months which they just log off or go on another character for, and then they're right back in the morning doing it all over again. I (and seemingly many others) see this as a core balancing issue and I feel that by making prison sentences much more significant to players (i.e., they have to literally sit in person with them) prison will become something criminals will mostly want to avoid at all costs.
This is a much better solution than the current one referred to as "character bans" by those that receive them as they call it by basically making it so a criminal can't roleplay for a whole week after going to prison because what's the point of logging on? By making prison sentences served in person rather than constantly extending them (1440, 12k, what's next?) you are making shorter prison sentences actually be impactful, but more importantly you are increasing the roleplay that is gained through it by making people roleplay with those around them (other prisoners, G6 etc.) as discussed below.
The pros to this:
MUCH more significant prison roleplay. The current meta is go to prison at the end of the night, go to sleep and that's the end of it. I've always been shocked that the gruppe 6 faction even exists when prisoners don't have to RP with them and it's one of the reasons I really admire the faction, but I feel by instituting this, they will have much greater opportunities to roleplay with prisoners who are actually in the prison. Prisoners will also have greater opportunities to roleplay between themselves and interact in ways they haven't before . I feel like the server has this really cool prison interior but it never gets used like it should and it would be cool to see that such as visitation, cell block searches, prison riots etc.
Criminals actually being scared of going to prison - as above, sentences that ACTUALLY have an impact on a character will change how that character interacts with police and commits crimes.
Cons:
I think one of the major cons is that the prison could do with some additional content/jobs to keep people occupied when there is no gruppe 6 on. I've never been to prison because my crim character is actually good but if there isn't already: jobs to reduce sentences slightly, chances at finding shivs, more opportunities to interact between prison guards and prisoners etc.
As mentioned in the previous thread, the chance for people to go AFK but that becomes a staff management issue.
Now, to touch on some problems mentioned in the other thread:
Excessive times
Many people encouraged the suggestion but were concerned about having to roleplay for 12 hours in prison, and I get that, I do think that our sentences could be reduced quite a lot as now as sentences were increased to cause an impact on players, but now this would impact them in a different way. Extremely large sentences should only occur as a result of major CID investigations and court cases (on previous servers I played for any sentence above a certain amount a court case HAD to occur, creates more roleplay that way). TL;DR reduce the actual sentence lengths in exchange for making people sit in on them. the whole 50/50 suggestion doesn't make all that much sense when you can just shrink the sentence.
Wanting to go to sleep
Some also mentioned that sometimes you don't have time to RP in prison for an hour or two when you get on - that's fine, just make it so you can disconnect it just doesn't reduce your sentence so you have to prison RP at some solution.
TL
R make sentences have to be served while online (i.e. timer doesn't go down when logged off/on another character) but reduce sentences and bring in more work to do in the prison.
A topic of conversation which has re-emerged among many of the police around how to best improve the current state of the server regarding police vs. criminals and all the associated problems that are occurring as we speak.
One suggestion which has come up is how prison operates and how changes to it have the potential to changing police and crim interactions for the better - by making prisoners have to be in person for their crimes. This has been suggested before (credit to ya boi Charles) but several issues were discussed in the thread that I feel could be rectified through a renewed discussion on the topic.
It's no secret, everyone knows that prison means literally nothing to major crim characters in the server. They literally say it themselves - they go frag a cop, get 720 months which they just log off or go on another character for, and then they're right back in the morning doing it all over again. I (and seemingly many others) see this as a core balancing issue and I feel that by making prison sentences much more significant to players (i.e., they have to literally sit in person with them) prison will become something criminals will mostly want to avoid at all costs.
This is a much better solution than the current one referred to as "character bans" by those that receive them as they call it by basically making it so a criminal can't roleplay for a whole week after going to prison because what's the point of logging on? By making prison sentences served in person rather than constantly extending them (1440, 12k, what's next?) you are making shorter prison sentences actually be impactful, but more importantly you are increasing the roleplay that is gained through it by making people roleplay with those around them (other prisoners, G6 etc.) as discussed below.
The pros to this:
MUCH more significant prison roleplay. The current meta is go to prison at the end of the night, go to sleep and that's the end of it. I've always been shocked that the gruppe 6 faction even exists when prisoners don't have to RP with them and it's one of the reasons I really admire the faction, but I feel by instituting this, they will have much greater opportunities to roleplay with prisoners who are actually in the prison. Prisoners will also have greater opportunities to roleplay between themselves and interact in ways they haven't before . I feel like the server has this really cool prison interior but it never gets used like it should and it would be cool to see that such as visitation, cell block searches, prison riots etc.
Criminals actually being scared of going to prison - as above, sentences that ACTUALLY have an impact on a character will change how that character interacts with police and commits crimes.
Cons:
I think one of the major cons is that the prison could do with some additional content/jobs to keep people occupied when there is no gruppe 6 on. I've never been to prison because my crim character is actually good but if there isn't already: jobs to reduce sentences slightly, chances at finding shivs, more opportunities to interact between prison guards and prisoners etc.
As mentioned in the previous thread, the chance for people to go AFK but that becomes a staff management issue.
Now, to touch on some problems mentioned in the other thread:
Excessive times
Many people encouraged the suggestion but were concerned about having to roleplay for 12 hours in prison, and I get that, I do think that our sentences could be reduced quite a lot as now as sentences were increased to cause an impact on players, but now this would impact them in a different way. Extremely large sentences should only occur as a result of major CID investigations and court cases (on previous servers I played for any sentence above a certain amount a court case HAD to occur, creates more roleplay that way). TL;DR reduce the actual sentence lengths in exchange for making people sit in on them. the whole 50/50 suggestion doesn't make all that much sense when you can just shrink the sentence.
Wanting to go to sleep
Some also mentioned that sometimes you don't have time to RP in prison for an hour or two when you get on - that's fine, just make it so you can disconnect it just doesn't reduce your sentence so you have to prison RP at some solution.
TL
R make sentences have to be served while online (i.e. timer doesn't go down when logged off/on another character) but reduce sentences and bring in more work to do in the prison.
