Prison Time Re-work

[Liam]

As of currently all you need to do is take down a radio mast and fly in. Instead I believe it needs to be vamped up with different materials beeding to be used and different locations where puzzles etc have to be solved - a bit like hacking but with more variety to increase difficult. 

As per an Old Archies Stream, I believe this is still coming he showed how you would break out and it seemed a lot harder than it currently is

 

[LiK]

The idea potentially is good, might deter people from petty crime and stabbing people left and right and trying to rob cops and other things, however, it is really harsh to make some people sit in prison for 12 hours until they get out.

therefore the prison will have to be re-worked as well, as at some times you'll just be sitting there alone for 12, that is actually a long time, its longer than my work shifts used to be.

I would suggest instead that, lets say from 4PM to 02AM  your sentence won't move unless you are actually online,

and if you've been offline for those "peak" hours, the timer will start going down only after those hours.

In my opinion that would be the best case as you should remember, it is still a game, people need to study, work and go outside from time to time.

 

[DrewK]

@Charles Vane I feel like I'm on the fence with this. 

I really do like the concept, but I feel like the whole prison thing needs to be looked at. Maybe leave the gates open so smoothies can be made, or other ways to benefit your charector like there is with gym equipment and being able to make smoothies. No idea what though maybe there should be more storage or something you can lock or keep your own stuff in so if your in an out u can work on doing somethings or setting a business up maybe there should be more shit u can do in prison or only do in prison......  I wouldn't mind going to prison if there are ways to keep busy things to do. 

I do feel like the whole gang scene is pathetic at the minute when people in colours etc etc shooting up police, ultimately police are the biggest and most powerful gang in the city and should be the most feared. But police rp of late has been a bit erm shakey. 

 

[Alesia]

I'd say +1 as long as we get more stuff to do, not only in prison but also outside prison. At the moment the only good way to make money is either rob someone for weapons and sell them, or sell a bunch of drugs. Both of them are illegal and can land you in prison. As for legal ways, it's mainly doing mechanic work but that doesn't pay a lot. In prison itself there isn't much to do but making smoothies. Most of the time when I'm in prison, I'm just sitting there watching a movie irl until someone talks to me. This means if I get send in for 720 for any reason, that's 12h. A movie lasts around 2h these days, meaning I'd just be watching 6 movies whilst sitting on a bench or farming smoothies as there's fuckall else to do. If we have more legal things we can do that actually pay and we get more stuff to do in prison so we ain't just sitting there being semi afk, I wouldn't mind this system.

 

[Ade]

I personally LOVE the idea.

Anyone familiar with Archeage? They had a similar system in it where you went to prison for real time. the more severe the crime the longer the sentence. it all led to prison breaks etc. one good thing that game did in amongst all the other crud.

I like the idea of balancing the time spent. I would go a step further and say for serious crimes let the police lock up the criminals with a bail system. 2 choices of either pay bail or serve time. If they serve time and then are processed formally and sentenced they can have the time already served deducted. Alternative is they pay a bail fee and are free to go out and interact in the world. The caveat would be they are flagged as on bail in the pnc. any further issues would incorporate much harsher penalties (double or triple standard?).

This would require a careful balancing of penalties. Don't let the police have complete control. Maybe define parameters for offenders depending on what occurred and subject to interaction. like real world. set a range of time for each offense and let whoever does the sentencing decide. particularly violent interactions get higher sentence.

Parole system for prison also on the back end, upon release. Group6 could process a prisoner out and grant early release for good behavior (good rp) etc. however player is then on a long parole period (real time days/weeks).

Also when a player is held in prison/on parole/on bail etc allow judges and solicitors to conduct business in absentia. so if 2 people can be there and present and online but the crim cant then they decide on the issue (possibly? needs more thought) which provides content for the solicitor/judges without requiring the 3rd person being available all the time. much the way real legal matters are handled.

The scope here for the entire judicial system to be worked is HUGE. If done correctly it could be truly awesome.

PS. Ive been to prison once and am not in a gang and personally i loved it. Its got massive potential too.

Thanks Charles for throwing this one open.

 

[William Antrim]

I have read through the arguments for and against this and am of the opinion that it is, on the whole, a great idea. 

I would like to make a couple of suggestions in support of it - police sentencing should be reviewed and upheld by a senior officer (could even act in lieu of a CPS solicitor) in review alongside the defence solicitor (in the cells). This would avoid any bias at the point of sentencing and remove the likelihood of a pissed off copper using the situation to grief someone. Not saying it happens a lot but this removes the accusation at a later date.  

Let the turf gangs have some sort of colour they could wear in prison to represent their turf - bandana, do rag, stocking cap, whatever you like. 

More jobs to do in prison - more stuff generally, rehabilitation programs so that prisoners could use the time to "skill up" in various roles for work on the outside. 

Work gangs: this is the biggest one and i think would be one of the best. Have gruppe 6 be allowed to escort prisoners off site to go and work for in other places (the mine, fishing etc). Prisoners should be allowed to do manual labour to reduce sentences (at the discretion of G6 as previously stated) but the profits from their labour should go to g6. 

This would/could also allow them to steal stuff and make items to be able to attempt an escape. Iron ingots etc if they go to the smelter, make a copy of a key and escape or make a shank and shank a rival etc etc. 

I would be more than happy to go to prison with these kinds of adventures awaiting me. 

 

[William Antrim]

Is it possible to also add some sort of tunneling out mechanic? 

 

[Jaffa]

Disclaimer: Personal idea, not dev team response

One idea to consider could be requiring a certain percentage of the sentence to be actually served in the prison.

If we assume a 4 hour sentence and 25% here for easy math reasons, the following scenarios would apply:

• Character is offline for 4 hours, they've served the "full time", but now must roleplay in the prison for an hour before the character is released
  
• Character stays online after being sentenced for the "full time" of 4 hours, they are then released.
  

That percentage value could be anything, maybe even changing based on the rates of serious crime etc

 

[Simon Ross]

I think Jaffa has a very smart idea there.

The problem with the length of time the sentences are is that if you had to play for the entire thing, people who have ample time to play will still be in and out in a jiffy, whereas those who don't have the time will be in there for potentially months or more. A middle ground needs to be met, as Prison RP is important, but also needs to be done in a way that doesn't restrict one type of player more than the other (super active player vs those that play in the little spare time they have). Serving 6 hours on a 12 hour sentence where there is fun RP for someone who can play 30 hours a week is not much, whereas serving a 6 hour sentence for someone who can only play games for 4 hours a week is quite a lot. 

Another way to look at it could be a case of after x days (potentially contextual to the crime), the sentence "gets served" anyway - every 60 minutes = 12 hours longer before you automatically leave prison. this way people are more inclined to play whilst in prison to shorten the time, and those that have lesser time throughout the week don't end up playing jail simulator for 3 weeks before being able to play

 

[Chilli]

What I would feel would be great is. If you're online it is how it is 1 min = month. However if offline 5 mins = month. This then x the amount of time needed by 5 when not on server. so if on server its quick however those that can play once a week will be released before their sentance is up. Also to avoid afkers maybe add a system where every know and then prison roll call auto or manuel by g6 where if prisoner doesn't do what is required gets kicked for afk on auto. 

However if you can't play all week your 12 hour sentence is only 60 hours offline. 

 

[carhoistier]

This is an issue that is ripe for abuse by Police. 

I've given chav scumbag RP to Police before and it rightfully annoys them, they then give abusively long sentences (absolute maximum) for the crimes that you've done, even if within RP you provide multiple mitigating factors.

I've always done 100% of my prison time in-game, beacuse I can cause trouble on tweedle, chat with mates etc. But for people who are more casual (or new) on the server, serving 12-hour sentences because the cop that was locking you up was having a bad day, or was a wanker in general, will just mean people won't come back, because they're forced to spend hours of their life on the server sat in a small area.

This suggestion also heavily favours big gangs who can organise breakouts, whereas the newbies, or lone wolf style players will again be shafted, and if they're lucky enough to get out of prison in a prison break, they're still buggered because the big gang isn't going to let them out.

This issue would be far better with a total rework of the prison system, with an independent person from the Police deciding sentences based on actual legal principles. Whether that involves hiring more judges, I'm not sure. 

 

[William Antrim]

It would give rise to a proper independent CPS ‐ crown prosecution service. Lawyers of sufficient calibre to decide sentences. Take it away from the police and move it into the hands of a neutral third party. This honestly would be the best most viable solution in my opinion and I would imagine it would be completely doable. 

I wouldn't want to completely remove the police from this process, they should still be able to recommend sentences to individuals but at the point when the person is being sentenced it should be up to the two lawyers to hash out between them based on the circumstances involved. 

Can't do the time - don't do the crime. Simple but effective. 

An alternate option is more robust sentencing guidelines. Not just a maximum limit because some coppers seem to treat this like a speed limit - ie as a target to get to not a limit to stop at. 

Id personally be happy with either idea as it would essentially mean you put your hands in the laps of the lawyers and not the police, a good change honestly. 

 

[Nikolai]

It would give rise to a proper independent CPS ‐ crown prosecution service. Lawyers of sufficient calibre to decide sentences. Take it away from the police and move it into the hands of a neutral third party. This honestly would be the best most viable solution in my opinion and I would imagine it would be completely doable. 

I wouldn't want to completely remove the police from this process, they should still be able to recommend sentences to individuals but at the point when the person is being sentenced it should be up to the two lawyers to hash out between them based on the circumstances involved. 

Can't do the time - don't do the crime. Simple but effective. 

An alternate option is more robust sentencing guidelines. Not just a maximum limit because some coppers seem to treat this like a speed limit - ie as a target to get to not a limit to stop at. 

Id personally be happy with either idea as it would essentially mean you put your hands in the laps of the lawyers and not the police, a good change honestly. 

i like the idea of having a Lawyer/judge do the sentencing
there's just the issue of, what if none of the mentioned is on? would a suspect just be left in the holding cell until one decides to hop on or is he just gonna be let go?

maybe, limit the sentence a normal officer can give IE. INS and below can only give x amount of time unless being told otherwise by higher ups or judges/lawyers

 

[carhoistier]

i like the idea of having a Lawyer/judge do the sentencing
there's just the issue of, what if none of the mentioned is on? would a suspect just be left in the holding cell until one decides to hop on or is he just gonna be let go?

maybe, limit the sentence a normal officer can give IE. INS and below can only give x amount of time unless being told otherwise by higher ups or judges/lawyers

Allow the Police to make a request to a higher rank using RL principles of bail & remand to allow them to impose a shorter sentence (that is taken off the total sentence when they go to court) to mimic remand before appearance in a court.

Those that fail the test to be remanded will be released and notified of when their case is due to be heard so they can attend, and if they don't then that character will have FTA warrants, which will severely impact their next attempt at getting bail.

Most questions regarding this have real world counter-parts that work perfectly well.

 

[HyperG1]

got to admit i currently love the hole working in the prison washing up n stuff to reducde time a little bit but yh would be nice to have to serve some time as well you actually meet some good people in there so to speak.

 

[touchebroo]

@Charles Vane That’s a good point you’ve brought up and I feel as if people go to prison for fun. It’s a great way to teach them a lesson and it would help a lot.

 

[Brents]

+support do the crime do the time. Needs to be more passive roleplay and better interaction.every interaction I seem to get is "Oi bellend hurry up or ill kill ya" which is rude and very uncivilized and it's a shame some comes from whitelisted gang members.

Police need more respect and the fact there isnt a whole lot of them around sometimes criminal will and do get away with murder.

 

[Doniel Saville]

+1 completely agree with this

 

[PJ Adams]

+1 The potential for further RP instead of prisoners just logging off and waking up when there sentence is over sounds so good.

 

[Nazgul]

can agree but middle ground will need to be found and worked on if such a thing was to be put into the server