Police Scrapping

[Balthazar the Wise]

Today I was selling drugs at the drug dealer, I left my heli a far away distance so it wouldn't look suspicious, a cop shows up, i I have no idea why he would, but I guess he did because hes allowed, there was no real reason for him to show up, but then he notices my heli in a field near by, he goes over to it, looks around for a few seconds, then begins to open it, and then scraps my heli, i dont know if this is allowed, I just wanted to ask and see if anyone knew. The officer was John Smith, but I have no idea why he would just open up a heli and scrap it, I just feel like it's not role play and he feels like someone parked it there to sell drugs, when it could have been for any reason.

And if this was not allowed, I have a screen shot of him next to the heli opening it

 

[Aethon]

They are, it’s a bit of a silly system. Seems to me more like the scrap-happy police prefer to ‘punish’ rebels rather than engaging in RP.

 

[TheCap]

They are, it’s a bit of a silly system. Seems to me more like the scrap-happy police prefer to ‘punish’ rebels rather than engaging in RP.

Are you serious? Lets look at the details first, @Balthazar the Wise there are 2 reasons why he might have scrapped it, first.. You had Something/Drugs in the heli that was over the exceeding amount and was a insta scrap, second reason you are HEAVILY wanted. And third your heli was either a Taru or X'ian. And Aethon, if you read his text correctly it seemed like the cop didn't know that Balthazar was there and therefor didn't need to wait. @Balthazar the Wise, your heli is your responsibility, there is also the aviation laws that might come into effect.  

 

[Aethon]

Are you serious? Lets look at the details first, @Balthazar the Wise there are 2 reasons why he might have scrapped it, first.. You had Something/Drugs in the heli that was over the exceeding amount and was a insta scrap, second reason you are HEAVILY wanted. And third your heli was either a Taru or X'ian. And Aethon, if you read his text correctly it seemed like the cop didn't know that Balthazar was there and therefor didn't need to wait. @Balthazar the Wise, your heli is your responsibility, there is also the aviation laws that might come into effect.  

I talk from my own experience, I’ve had a Huron scrapped, and I’ve seen a cop try to scrap Perspective’s Huron when she was inside it barely saying a word. Mustafa was landing a blackfish and they began scrapping it before he had even landed.

Whether it’s realistic is irrelevant at the end of the day, it’s pretty terrible roleplay and is a really shitty experience for Balthazar. It’s realistic to shoot someone instantly if they are stealing your car and you are a rebel, but it isn’t roleplay so it isn’t allowed.

 

[TheCap]

I talk from my own experience, I’ve had a Huron scrapped, and I’ve seen a cop try to scrap Perspective’s Huron when she was inside it barely saying a word. Mustafa was landing a blackfish and they began scrapping it before he had even landed.

Again, there are player reports for a reason, if you feel that he did wrong asnd broke a server rule, talk with them and if that doesnt solve it report them. I ahd my Ifrit scrapped when it was underwater and the officer talking to me underwater without a rebreather. 

 

[Aethon]

Again, there are player reports for a reason, if you feel that he did wrong asnd broke a server rule, talk with them and if that doesnt solve it report them. I ahd my Ifrit scrapped when it was underwater and the officer talking to me underwater without a rebreather. 

I think the rules on scrapping just aren’t clear enough, and there’s too much leeway given to the police. If you’re costing someone 15 million, they should at least get a good roleplay experience out of it.

 

[Balthazar the Wise]

Guys im just saying, how did he know it was mine, in a RP point of view, in real life it would be a heli parked somewhere, that doesnt mean you break inside and scrap it, it just doesnt seem very RP  

 

[INS Alfie Kipper]

Guys im just saying, how did he know it was mine, in a RP point of view, in real life it would be a heli parked somewhere, that doesnt mean you break inside and scrap it, it just doesnt seem very RP  

Doesn't matter, if it hasn't been reported stolen, has illegal substances in and is illegally landed, to the scrap heap it may go. 

 

[Balthazar the Wise]

Doesn't matter, if it hasn't been reported stolen, has illegal substances in and is illegally landed, to the scrap heap it may go. 

First off, how does he know it has illegal substance in it, and if it was illegally landed, all he would have to do is wait for that person to come by, and if there was a ticket system in this game, which there isnt, and i wish there was, give them a ticket, i just dont understand, in real life if someone has illegally parked, you dont tow  the car away and destroy it, and at most you would tow it to somewhere that they can pay for it back. I know its a big difference between a car and a heli, but you would have done the same with a car

 

[Simon Ross]

First off, how does he know it has illegal substance in it, and if it was illegally landed, all he would have to do is wait for that person to come by, and if there was a ticket system in this game, which there isnt, and i wish there was, give them a ticket, i just dont understand, in real life if someone has illegally parked, you dont tow  the car away and destroy it, and at most you would tow it to somewhere that they can pay for it back. I know its a big difference between a car and a heli, but you would have done the same with a car

Air vehicles illegally landed can be crushed on site if they want to. They will have searched it due to it being illegally landed and found drugs which resulted in the crush. If it has no drugs it will prolly have just been impounded(depends on how scrap happy the cop Is tho)

 

[ufff]

I think the rules on scrapping just aren’t clear enough, and there’s too much leeway given to the police. If you’re costing someone 15 million, they should at least get a good roleplay experience out of it.

Let's say you land your huron right by Kavala Garage, said garage is within the city limit of Kavala,  you've left your 15 million pound investment there knowing it's against the law to do so. I.E It's a scrapable offence. Do you deserve RP For leaving it there where you are no where to be seen, or would you just scrap it? I know i'd be scraping it. 

 

[Aethon]

Let's say you land your huron right by Kavala Garage, said garage is within the city limit of Kavala,  you've left your 15 million pound investment there knowing it's against the law to do so. I.E It's a scrapable offence. Do you deserve RP For leaving it there where you are no where to be seen, or would you just scrap it? I know i'd be scraping it. 

I think so, definitely. Impounding is appropriate there, scrapping is a massive overreaction.

 

[Toma]

What if the heli has been stolen and the guy that lost the heli now sees that his expensive ass hardware is now bolts and nuts.

Idk i mean, I think that Police needs to concentrate more on roleplay, every day I see less and less cops eager to start a tense roleplay without drawing their guns.

It seems dumb that the police is now looking for frags then to actually roleplay like, protecting people and respect basic rules such as "value of life" *cough* cough*

This is just my opinion I'm not looking for an argument.

 

[Balthazar the Wise]

What if the heli has been stolen and the guy that lost the heli now sees that his expensive ass hardware is now bolts and nuts.

Idk i mean, I think that Police needs to concentrate more on roleplay, every day I see less and less cops eager to start a tense roleplay without drawing their guns.

It seems dumb that the police is now looking for frags then to actually roleplay like, protecting people and respect basic rules such as "value of life" *cough* cough*

This is just my opinion I'm not looking for an argument.

I agree, highly. In real life, they wouldn't search it right off the bat, because they have no idea what it could be. They would wait for a group of police, ask the person, or impound it.

 

[Mikey F]

Doesn't matter, if it hasn't been reported stolen, has illegal substances in and is illegally landed, to the scrap heap it may go. 

That’s a little harsh, I think maybe a little bit of common sense should be used here. If in the opinion of the Police, the said helicopter has been or will be used in a crime then yeah scrap. But impound if no other evidence is available to support this, ie like already mentioned, it could be stolen.

 

[NotMattch]

In summary:
 

This isn't real life, nor do we attempt to emulate it at every single stage.  If we were, you wouldn't have access to any gun higher than a pistol, you wouldn't be able to purchase said pistols until you were vetted for a license.  The police would not run around with guns at all and would only have access to Tasers.  AR would be reduced to a single AR that if fired would place them on immediate suspension whilst they were investigated over a year-long process.   In short, some things are suspended for gameplay. 

In terms of gameplay, the police have set standards and policies to follow, without evidence there's no way to confirm if it was legitimate scrapping or not, however, there are a variety of laws that permit scrapping.

With response to "yeah but how did he know who owned it" and "but how do they know what's inside".  The police force as it stands is dealing with heavily, heavily armed rebel groups that are known for committing mass murder simply to earn cash, the police force within this lore and RP are going to be more heavy-handed in dealing with said threats and likely would instantly start searching a suspicious vehicle.  To determine who owns it, they'd simply check who the vehicle was registered to at the time of purchase.   If a vehicle was stolen and the owner was able to report it then they would take appropriate action.  By breaking the law you take the risk that appropriate action may be taken against it.

Speaking on "realism" as you like to, I don't remember the last time my local drug dealer turned up the equivalent of a chinook loaded with weed and then just land it randomly in a field to start selling.  Maybe it's more common in your area?

In response to the "yeah but I saw the police do X" - If you don't make a report then simply don't complain. If you let it continue and don't bring it to our attention then there's nothing more we can do that hope to catch it live.

If you do have evidence then make a PCC against the officers involved as it's a police rule break.   If you believe it falls under the server rules then make a Player Report and (if successful) we'd compensate the loss.

As this is a Q&A Thread/Section, and the answers have been given, this thread will be locked.  If you want to have a constructive discussion and suggest changes then feel free to make a suggestion thread.