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Police RDM me or Not ? Comment Please (Video)
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g0ku
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As i say INGAME and HERE... If ı am wrong and make mistake then i am sorry mate...Dont i have to right runaway from cops and make rp ?
Also i am not backstab you ? This topic is not revege topic ? It cant be because you say "we didnt do anythıng wrong"....
Also "i asked to speak non-rp ingame from you.. so i take permission from one of you guys for speak non-rp about this situation...
I dont mind Pipi Johnson's behavior , i am not his father...He can break rules but i dont and dont want to in future also...I mean thats why i opened this topic...
Also i am not backstab you ? This topic is not revege topic ? It cant be because you say "we didnt do anythıng wrong"....
Also "i asked to speak non-rp ingame from you.. so i take permission from one of you guys for speak non-rp about this situation...
I dont mind Pipi Johnson's behavior , i am not his father...He can break rules but i dont and dont want to in future also...I mean thats why i opened this topic...
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To be fair the PCSO may well have given you compliance but I couldn't hear a thing over the music playing.
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If you look in the video, the PCSO shoots before he even starts saying drop your weapon (missing the first few shots), but it was by an extremely fine line. In my opinion the PCSO panicked too much, yet even if you told them to drop their weapon, the other PCSO next to him would of probably neutralized you after he saw that you were trying to stop his fellow officer(by this I mean disabling him from the combat situation, not for ransom). So, in this situation you probably should of been the one surrendering, being the one that was outnumbered with two officers pointing guns at you. There was an extremely minimal chance that you would of been able to make the first officer drop his guns, the second one, and then the final PC+ officer to drop his. In a way, you took on a 3 man unit, and expected them to drop their weapons when they had a definitive advantage over you.
In short: The PCSO fired first(police mistake), yet maybe you should in the future analyse the situation a bit better, as there was an extremely slim chance that you could take down the whole police unit. (By take down, I mean non lethal and lethal). If you were determined to try it, then I would of advised you to not run into the open in the line of fire of two officers, and use the useful bushes to force them to surrender, as while in the bushes you have the advantage, and could get them to surrender because of this.
In short: The PCSO fired first(police mistake), yet maybe you should in the future analyse the situation a bit better, as there was an extremely slim chance that you could take down the whole police unit. (By take down, I mean non lethal and lethal). If you were determined to try it, then I would of advised you to not run into the open in the line of fire of two officers, and use the useful bushes to force them to surrender, as while in the bushes you have the advantage, and could get them to surrender because of this.
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g0ku
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I didnt get any compliance ,Music came from my house .. i was wearing razor headphones and beleive me i didnt hear anything. Bu as i said this is not report or something topic.. so this video is not evidance video.
Well thanks for enlight me Ciaran ,, =) ı put 400 hour to realistic combat mods of arma3 so we never know what will happen =)
You can lock topic if you want.Thanks for comments guys...
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Oskar The Eagle
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Hello guys, im the PCSO rubbering him! Well, as he said by himself we have been chasing him for 3+ minutes and shots were also fired under this chase. We did also tell him to get out of the bush when his friend dropped him (he might not been able to hear it). So well, chasing someone for 3+ minutes with shots fired under the chase and then rubber bullet him when i find him pointing a weapon is in my point ok. Might be wrong, then i gotta take the actions for it. But remember, we were just going to give you a ticket 
Best Regards, Oskar
Best Regards, Oskar
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g0ku
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Mate this is not about giving ticket dont take it personal..This isnt personel issue...I just want to understand what should i do and i dont..also who is right and who is wrong...This topic will be guide in future to new hobos also..I opened topic to general section...Hello guys, im the PCSO rubbering him! Well, as he said by himself we have been chasing him for 3+ minutes and shots were also fired under this chase. We did also tell him to get out of the bush when his friend dropped him (he might not been able to hear it). So well, chasing someone for 3+ minutes with shots fired under the chase and then rubber bullet him when i find him pointing a weapon is in my point ok. Might be wrong, then i gotta take the actions for it. But remember, we were just going to give you a ticket
Best Regards, Oskar
But there were no shots whıle ın chase ??? also there was no warning..anyway
Btw it was good shot =)
I am ok with you brother.Sorry for taking ur time
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Morris
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As a witness and one of the PCSO's in the video i can confirm, that from my point of view nothing wrong were done. We issued compliance by telling him to get out of the bush with his hands above his head, Just to find him running around with a gun pulled and pointed it directly towards Oskar. Oskar is not to be blamed for what just happened. He took action in valuing his own and my life by shooting that rubber. Another factor to the mishearing might be because of your music as you could clearly hear in the beginning of the video that we're shouting at you. Yes i may add that Oskar paniced a little, Anyone would do that when a guy that we thought of as a hobo approach you with a gun pulled after being told not to. Hobos with guns does not have the best reputation on this server nor are they very reliable and therefore i believe Oskar did this in order to protect himself and me from what was to come. ROLEPLAY Was INITIATED. I do not want this to result in Oskar having a reputation as a "Shoot on sight" cop, He is a great guy and deserves the best reputation he could possibly have.
@g0ku Your friend ruined any roleplay that we might had been able to provide you and you provide us with. He broke atleast 4 Rules within the time of 5 minutes, You also broke roleplay plenty of times which is not very nice as it ruins what roleplay that could come, Me and my fellas decided not to Report you nor contact you as we knew you would post this here.
I'm not here to make you look like a fool but simply to perhaps learn you something that you could bring to any roleplay in the future, Remember do not listen to music whilst being in something like this, it makes everything tricky and people will be blamed because you could not hear them over the music.
-PCSO Morris
@g0ku Your friend ruined any roleplay that we might had been able to provide you and you provide us with. He broke atleast 4 Rules within the time of 5 minutes, You also broke roleplay plenty of times which is not very nice as it ruins what roleplay that could come, Me and my fellas decided not to Report you nor contact you as we knew you would post this here.
I'm not here to make you look like a fool but simply to perhaps learn you something that you could bring to any roleplay in the future, Remember do not listen to music whilst being in something like this, it makes everything tricky and people will be blamed because you could not hear them over the music.
-PCSO Morris
g0ku
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1)Admin said "POLICE MISTAKE" so u broke RP before me ,please dont talk about rp ok ?As a witness and one of the PCSO's in the video i can confirm, that from my point of view nothing wrong were done. We issued compliance by telling him to get out of the bush with his hands above his head, Just to find him running around with a gun pulled and pointed it directly towards Oskar. Oskar is not to be blamed for what just happened. He took action in valuing his own and my life by shooting that rubber. Another factor to the mishearing might be because of your music as you could clearly hear in the beginning of the video that we're shouting at you. Yes i may add that Oskar paniced a little, Anyone would do that when a guy that we thought of as a hobo approach you with a gun pulled after being told not to. Hobos with guns does not have the best reputation on this server nor are they very reliable and therefore i believe Oskar did this in order to protect himself and me from what was to come. ROLEPLAY Was INITIATED. I do not want this to result in Oskar having a reputation as a "Shoot on sight" cop, He is a great guy and deserves the best reputation he could possibly have.
@g0ku Your friend ruined any roleplay that we might had been able to provide you and you provide us with. He broke atleast 4 Rules within the time of 5 minutes, You also broke roleplay plenty of times which is not very nice as it ruins what roleplay that could come, Me and my fellas decided not to Report you nor contact you as we knew you would post this here.
I'm not here to make you look like a fool but simply to perhaps learn you something that you could bring to any roleplay in the future, Remember do not listen to music whilst being in something like this, it makes everything tricky and people will be blamed because you could not hear them over the music.
-PCSO Morris
and we have to argue about it.I said "can i speak non-rp"in game to you guys and after that i speak non-rp about this situation.
2)Music came from my house.. u can hear it but i couldnt hear music because i was on razor 71 headphones. so this is not effect my gameplay..U DIDNT SAY ANYTHING BEFORE SHOOT ME...
3)I am not responsible from my friends acting...If you have problems go and find him ok ?
4)YOU CANT MAKE ME LOOK FOOL child belevie me...also you cant talk me like that ?
5)Dont forget i didnt report your friend i just open topic about this situation...
6)This is not evidance video.
LOL i dont understand...You guys did wrong and you said me to learn game...plus you have to pick your words carefully before you write...You cant write fool etc... to me or to anyone ok ?
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Morris
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The fact that i only tried to be nice to you writing i do NOT want to make you look like a fool, i never called you an actual fool. Now calling me a child and saying that you asked if you could speak out of RP, Yes you ASKED but you were never answered with the answer YES. You are not responsible for your friends acting but you are responsible for breaking RP, Don't lie.
Came from your house or not, i could still hear a shout even though the music so how come you couldn't? You said if you were proved wrong you would apologize, Yet you are here being very rude and tell me what i can and can't do.
Admin said that what he THOUGHT it LOOKED like it was a police mistake, He never claimed it was absolutely one. As he was not on the scene all he can go through is the video that you uploaded that shows merely how you run and try to hold us up.
If you wanna raise an attitude towards someone just trying to help you out, Go ahead.
I'm not a child, i once was, so were you.
-Morris.
g0ku
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I am kind belevie me until u kinda call me "fool" , even i said "iam sorry for taking your times" please read first page msgs...I asked about non-sp speaking but this isnt like that i take permission from you .. its like "now i am going to speak non-rp about this situation" ...You also cant call me "liar" mate...
Everbody read what admin says.. You guys in hurry and panic and make mistake thats all... I didnt break anyrule but kinda U DID.Also why there is much hate in here...I didnt report you ? I tried my best to learn game rules...Is it wrong ?
I got no warning ...period... Of course u will say like that... i understand you...But ppl who read topic and watched video will understand what did happen mate .its very clear...
I didnt do anything wrong so for this issue i wont say any sorry to you guys (for this situation).
I dont have any problem with oskar really but you guys hate me so much dont know why...
This isnt was personal but u make it...
Everbody read what admin says.. You guys in hurry and panic and make mistake thats all... I didnt break anyrule but kinda U DID.Also why there is much hate in here...I didnt report you ? I tried my best to learn game rules...Is it wrong ?
I got no warning ...period... Of course u will say like that... i understand you...But ppl who read topic and watched video will understand what did happen mate .its very clear...
I didnt do anything wrong so for this issue i wont say any sorry to you guys (for this situation).
I dont have any problem with oskar really but you guys hate me so much dont know why...
This isnt was personal but u make it...
Morris
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There is a rule regarding breaking roleplay, I suggest you read it before you leave another comment. I do not hate you at all, The fact that you started with an attitude shortly after kindly responding to the topic makes me a little angry, I don't do grudges. @g0ku
I will provide you with a video where i am screaming "Get out of the bush". It is possible that you did not hear, However then it's not Oskars fault that he rubbered you, He rubbed you simply because of your pulled gun that was pointing towards him.
If you did not hear, that is my fault as it was up to me to initiate. But in the video you can clearly hear that i atleast TRY to initiate, I did not know where you were either as you hid in the bush, In the video you can see that you ran to the left just by the end of the screen. I did not notice that as i did not pay attention, Due to the distance you might not have heard.
I'm not afraid of admitting a mistake, However i want to make sure that me or my friend actually made a mistake first.
Now you see the scenario from our perspective.
I will provide you with a video where i am screaming "Get out of the bush". It is possible that you did not hear, However then it's not Oskars fault that he rubbered you, He rubbed you simply because of your pulled gun that was pointing towards him.
If you did not hear, that is my fault as it was up to me to initiate. But in the video you can clearly hear that i atleast TRY to initiate, I did not know where you were either as you hid in the bush, In the video you can see that you ran to the left just by the end of the screen. I did not notice that as i did not pay attention, Due to the distance you might not have heard.
I'm not afraid of admitting a mistake, However i want to make sure that me or my friend actually made a mistake first.
Now you see the scenario from our perspective.
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g0ku
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Oh come on mate look at distance , how can i hear that ? u dont even see me.. you cant count that this is warning even you cant see me..I mean u just say...
There are no FAULTS but can be mistakes...
As i said this can be guide for future situations for players.
But also i can hear that "can you rubbed him"??? also i can hear "you cant shoot back" ??
I am sorry but i didnt do anything wrong at this situation..Plus this isnt screaming , i bet even oscar couldnt hear it =)
So you said that "oscar rubbed me because my gun was in my hand"...then i can shoot you guys when i saw gun in your hands ?
But thanks for post video..now i feel more comfort about this
Lets make it clear
Police can shoot me rubbed me whatever.. because i hold my gun in my hand ?
So do i have right to kill police in future if he hold gun in his hand ?
You said "u point gun to him" ... so tell me should i point gun to sky ? how can i say "drop your weapons" to you guys ? while looking to sky ?
You have to wait man..You have to give time to me...U cant fire on me like this...
I wait comments from ADMINs MENTORS and experinced OBJECTIVE players... @Wilco @Ciaran
Thank you
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Morris
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The line follows "You can't shoot back at him if he fires from a bush, so go in there with him" Which means that if we can't see you we can't shoot you, The hole thing about your gun is that it was pointed directly towards the officer, AS i said i did not know where you was and therefore you might not have heard me, i also admitted that it might have been a mistake.
Oskar asked "can i rubber him", he did. He made the decision to rubber you as you were a direct THREAT towards him.
I've been saying literally the same thing to get the same answer, The conversation ends here as there is no point to argue about it.
Have a good night and enjoy your stay on Altis. Here's a good song
Oskar asked "can i rubber him", he did. He made the decision to rubber you as you were a direct THREAT towards him.
I've been saying literally the same thing to get the same answer, The conversation ends here as there is no point to argue about it.
Have a good night and enjoy your stay on Altis. Here's a good song
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ICE
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Think this discussion is getting into the "endless salty Police vs Rebel"-story.
As a new player, do know that we have a (neutral) mentor team to assist you with all of your questions.
Connect to TS and join the "Requesting Staff Help - Join Here" Channel.
These guys do an explaindid job and know the rules by hart. They are there to help you.
As for the discussion : did the Police use excessive force/RDM? You can always go to the "Police/Rebel Liaison Room"
SPEAK to the officers on a mature 2-way discussion because taking this to the forum will mostelikly end in the way
it is currently going.... In the TS channel you can also get someone from Police Command as they can asses the situation
after hearing both parties and take action if needed. (Keep in mind that CSO's and PCSO's are still in training.)
Regarding "an out-of roleplay question.... If you real feel the need to speak instead of typing in direct :// type message.
Ask the officer if you can speak to him in a car.... it's not the best situation but this doesn't break RP at the location where
also other players might be affected, due to you breaking RP.
3B) RDM - Random Death Match Definition:
Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban)
As a new player, do know that we have a (neutral) mentor team to assist you with all of your questions.
Connect to TS and join the "Requesting Staff Help - Join Here" Channel.
These guys do an explaindid job and know the rules by hart. They are there to help you.
As for the discussion : did the Police use excessive force/RDM? You can always go to the "Police/Rebel Liaison Room"
SPEAK to the officers on a mature 2-way discussion because taking this to the forum will mostelikly end in the way
it is currently going.... In the TS channel you can also get someone from Police Command as they can asses the situation
after hearing both parties and take action if needed. (Keep in mind that CSO's and PCSO's are still in training.)
Regarding "an out-of roleplay question.... If you real feel the need to speak instead of typing in direct :// type message.
Ask the officer if you can speak to him in a car.... it's not the best situation but this doesn't break RP at the location where
also other players might be affected, due to you breaking RP.
Make shure to issue compliance or you will be in trouble before you know it...
3B) RDM - Random Death Match Definition:
Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban)
Morris
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Very good post there mate, As this is turning out to be an argument between with me and g0ku i decided to end the conversation as we will not get anywhere, i Admit that Oskar might have done a mistake, Because of me not initiating properly.
As i said i do not want Oskar to get a bad reputation for something he decided to do. As ICE here said PCSO's are officers still in training and i hope you can forgive Oskar, For me though there is a difference as i've been a police officer before and should know better, However as the environment made it hard for me to know where you currently were hiding i didn't know where to go.
g0ku
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I know those rules .. u dont have to past to topic really...
They handcuff me and took somewhere to somewhere even i dont find enough time in car...
And mostly they speak at same time so i cant figure out well.Also there were noone while i speak non-rp
I dont have problems with cops that shoot me.If i would have a problem then i would come to ts and open topic to report section mate....
As i said you have to past rules to cops who is still traning , not me...I didnt do anything wrong.
Who am i that forgive someone ? mate...I dont live like this.I am sorry for taking your time.
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