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PLF - Checkpoint Roleplay Issues

You shoot a man running towards you with his weapon lowered and then wonder why they fire back? Hm.
In all fairness, PLF fired first.. Tyres or not, they fired first.

This whole "shooting out tyres" without any RP first kinda pisses me off, we've had fights with PLF and lots of other gangs that start this way. No communication (because we were clearly far too far away to hear direct) and they just start shooting at our trucks.

Do you really think I'm just going to get out of my truck and stand with my hands up (and probably get shot) after being fired upon? No, Im going to defend myself.

I really hate this shooting of tyres first, it just screams shitty RP.

If you want to stop a truck, set up a proper plan, not "oh they've seen us and are avoiding us.. SHOOT!".

 
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I had a little roleplay with them last night after robbing TI, I was warned they would be trying to find me. I decided to change clothes and stick a hat on. (All they had was slight face and the clothes they saw me in 20minutes before.) I just wished they played that part properly not just come up to me and take me hostage. They had no idea who I was after I changed into rebel clothes from top to bottom. I could of been anyone. 

 
There is literally nothing good that will come of this thread, any chance of getting it locked, it's just going to be arguments galore.

 
I had a little roleplay with them last night after robbing TI, I was warned they would be trying to find me. I decided to change clothes and stick a hat on. (All they had was slight face and the clothes they saw me in 20minutes before.) I just wished they played that part properly not just come up to me and take me hostage. They had no idea who I was after I changed into rebel clothes from top to bottom. I could of been anyone. 
This is called Meta-gaming... they saw your nametag and meta-gamed...

 
Protety, on 02 Dec 2014 - 3:07 PM, said:
If you ''make your presence known'' what tends to happen is people just turn around and take another route to avoid being taxed.
Potentially, though only stupid people would attempt to drive away from several armed gang members.


SGT Levi, on 02 Dec 2014 - 3:29 PM, said:
The reason why this checkpoint is barely used is because it is simply not finished/incomplete. On the west side, there should be an extra barrier.
Agreed. I also get tired of raising the barrier AFTER EVERY RESET.
CSI Vladic Ka, on 02 Dec 2014 - 3:29 PM, said:
So you hit a post after taking shots to your vehicle. Get out and open fire back then decide not to. Then you "clearly" do not shout back as you are switching between direct, side and vehicle chat. It would have been heard as a garbled mess. Looks like you panicked to be honest. I would have done the same if you had already opened fire back.
Indeed. I hit the post after the wheel gives out, I start switching between chats after I'm shot at. It wouldn't sound garbled as vehicle chat transmits to direct chat also. Regardless, there is at least one time where I speak using one of the lines of communication. I get confused after it seems they wanted to talk, and after realising this I attempt to defuse the situation.
Steph ♥, on 02 Dec 2014 - 3:36 PM, said:
You shoot a man running towards you with his weapon lowered and then wonder why they fire back? Hm.
 
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If you had read the post you would've realised this was a reaction shot. Not everyone has the luxury of time to contemplate thinking about shooting. The benefit of retrospection is that the video allows you to do this in a way that is not available to me at the time.


SPC Starsky, on 02 Dec 2014 - 3:39 PM, said:
I kind of hate how this has been posted also, directly to the forums, no communication with the players involved, just a straight up calling out of PLF saying that they don't role play...Just seems really dumb IMO. 
I have spoken to members of PLF already. How dare you accuse me of not doing so. I also did not accuse them of never roleplaying, I'm merely bringing to light the confusion of the situation. Do not post another ad homenim attack, I do not take such accusations lightly.
PLF Vladi, on 02 Dec 2014 - 3:53 PM, said:
I just checked your profile.
And you have some quotes there. 
 
"We're RPing, honest!" - PLF, before shooting you in the face.
 
I take that as 100% bs. Check the forums and you will find shit loads of movies were we RP and with recomended players.
 
If you DONT kill a man that try to talk to you, you might get away alive.. But this "do you wanna RP" is just BS.
 
You also mention "RDM" the only person that shot without saying shit here was you.. So rethink your post.
Tbh you shoud be warned to intentional try to damage our rep, becouse you failed to stop at the checkpoint.
You killed a man who held a checkpoint with his group, and expect not to get fierd uppon.....
My quote was a joke, but I see how it could be offensive and have removed it. I sincerely apologise for this.

I didn't say anything due to, as I have mentioned before, it seemed like I was being randomly RDMed (no visual identification of anyone, firing when past the checkpoint not before, no demands, no speech).

As the individual running toward me made no effort to communicate, my reaction was to fire. It is one that cost me my life and I will have to work on hampering my trigger finger.


 
I did fail to stop at the checkpoint, and I would like more discussion about the checkpoint to occur. As I know many players avoid it since it is a hassle to open the gates every reset. A better checkpoint would be better FOR EVERYONE.
 
I do not expect "not to be shot at", please stop putting words into my mouth.
Mycaelis, on 02 Dec 2014 - 3:56 PM, said:
In all fairness, PLF fired first.. Tyres or not, they fired first.
 
This whole "shooting out tyres" without any RP first kinda pisses me off, we've had fights with PLF and lots of other gangs that start this way. No communication (because we were clearly far too far away to hear direct) and they just start shooting at our trucks.
 
Do you really think I'm just going to get out of my truck and stand with my hands up (and probably get shot) after being fired upon? No, Im going to defend myself.
 
I really hate this shooting of tyres first, it just screams shitty RP.
If you want to stop a truck, set up a proper plan, not "oh they've seen us and are avoiding us.. SHOOT!".
PLF did fire first, and hitting my tires is fine. I just wish their intentions had been made clearer. I agree this kind of RP is getting rather stale of late and is the reason I offered reccomendations. I appreciate standing in the open is a risk, but it's why I call the negotiators "tribute" in situations like these! :D
 
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Right, I have unlocked this thread but please keep things on track and friendly. It's mostly so Lexi can state her case. No fucking about you little scamps, ok, ya hear?!  OK. Cool. Crack on... 
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The generalization of the thread title annoys me too. That's like someone opening a thread - AEGIS do you even combat log and restrain glitch?

 
The generalization of the thread title annoys me too. That's like someone opening a thread - AEGIS do you even combat log and restrain glitch?
All the time! Only if it makes Vladic-sempai notice me though~!

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Jokes aside, I appreciate that and will make the changes.

 
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I have spoken to members of PLF already. How dare you accuse me of not doing so. I also did not accuse them of never roleplaying, I'm merely bringing to light the confusion of the situation. Do not post another ad homenim attack, I do not take such accusations lightly.
I have every right to call you out on this and accuse you, as this post seems like a direct attack upon PLF, even though you supposedly say you contacted them?

So... is this post irrelevant? Is it meant to mean something? 

If anything this post just seems like another attempt at dramatizing a situation which is easily dealt with over TeamSpeak. Furthermore, please do not tell me what to post or what not to post, I do not take being talked down to lightly.

 
I have every right to call you out on this and accuse you, as this post seems like a direct attack upon PLF, even though you supposedly say you contacted them?

So... is this post irrelevant? Is it meant to mean something? 

If anything this post just seems like another attempt at dramatizing a situation which is easily dealt with over TeamSpeak. Furthermore, please do not tell me what to post or what not to post, I do not take being talked down to lightly.
"No communication with the players involved, just a straight up calling out of PLF saying that they don't role play...Just seems really dumb IMO."

Firstly you make an accusation with no basis, this I tend to find merely dramatizes (as you'd say) a situation. Secondly you infer that I am "dumb", which is an unnecessary ad homenim. 

Yes, this post is an open discussion for the issues raised by the events that unfolded, Starsky. That's what I'd like to do with the post.

To sum up so far: people have discussed the direct-chat audio issues when inside vehicles, as well as the issues of the ineffective nature of the "checkpoint" itself. Many have suggested it is my fault for going around rather than through the checkpoint, as players tend to do; I appreciate this and accept that it should be done but was not in the mood to raise the barriers again and suggested they should be raised by default. I will start driving through the checkpoint from now on.

I did not tell you what to post. I told you not to post any more ad homenims. I hope you can understand why. Finally I'd like to insist you are not being spoken down to, I am sorry you feel this way Starsky. I would only ask you do not attack my character without good cause. 

 
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As the individual running toward me made no effort to communicate, my reaction was to fire. It is one that cost me my life and I will have to work on hampering my trigger finger.
 
 
Check your video again or get the earwax out when you are ingame.

"Ohhhh someone is  trying to talk to me, ohh they took out my tiers"

- When you drive past you hear they are talking to you, not clearly, but you know it's someone there.

You also hear samurai as soon as you shoot the first shot goes woooow, and then he is dead.

Ohh shit... OT: (since it's a new topic in the thread suddenly)

Yeah please fix the audio communication, that was the problem here all along... Kappa

 
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"No communication with the players involved, just a straight up calling out of PLF saying that they don't role play...Just seems really dumb IMO."

Firstly you make an accusation with no basis, this I tend to find merely dramatizes (as you'd say) a situation. Secondly you infer that I am "dumb", which is an unnecessary ad homenim. 

Yes, this post is an open discussion for the issues raised by the events that unfolded, Starsky. That's what I'd like to do with the post. To sum up so far: people have discussed the direct-chat audio issues when inside vehicles, as well as the issues of the ineffective nature of the "checkpoint" itself. Many have suggested it is my fault for going around rather than through the checkpoint, as many do. I appreciate this and accept that it should be done but was not in the mood to raise the barriers again and suggested they should be raised by default. I will start driving through the checkpoint from now on.

Finally, I did not tell you what to post. I told you not to post any more ad homenims. I hope you can understand why.

Finally I'd like to insist you are not being spoken down to, I am sorry you feel this way Starsky. I would only ask you do not attack my character without good cause. 
Yet you fail to realize that the post was not needed whatsoever; in fact, I can't seem to imagine what you thought that this post would entail, it definitely was not to discuss the situation about the direct-chat audio system, or the issues of the checkpoint; infact it was a direct call out on PLF's "bad role play". Which I don't see as bad at all.

Secondly, I never called you "dumb". I called the post dumb. Clearly labelled, not targeted towards you whatsoever, don't understand where you gathered that was an insult towards you.

Thirdly, I appreciate it that you don't want any ad homenims, but my post was clearly NOT one of those ad homo things at all.

 
 
I have spoken to members of PLF already. How dare you accuse me of not doing so. I also did not accuse them of never roleplaying, I'm merely bringing to light the confusion of the situation. Do not post another ad homenim attack, I do not take such accusations lightly.
Yeah. first you said sorry for having low effects on, then you said comp us for it or else we will go on a manhunt.

That's all i heard about before i logged off..

 
 
Check your video again or get the earwax out when you are ingame.


"Ohhhh someone is  trying to talk to me, ohh they took out my tiers"
- When you drive past you hear they are talking to you, not clearly, but you know it's someone there.

You also hear samurai as soon as you shoot the first shot goes woooow, and then he is dead.


Ohh shit... OT: (since it's a new topic in the thread suddenly)

Yeah please fix the audio communication, that was the problem here all along... Kappa
You also hit my engine. I didn't see anyone. As I have said multiple times I had no idea it was an organised group. I know someone is there, I have not denied this... though I also have no idea of their intentions. When there's a man running at me who says nothing, I shoot instinctively, as I have already said

It may be desynch, as he speaks after he dies. As I have said before, you watching the video over and over is a luxury I did not have in the few seconds I needed to make decisions. 



Yet you fail to realize that the post was not needed whatsoever; in fact, I can't seem to imagine what you thought that this post would entail, it definitely was not to discuss the situation about the direct-chat audio system, or the issues of the checkpoint; infact it was a direct call out on PLF's "bad role play". Which I don't see as bad at all.

Secondly, I never called you "dumb". I called the post dumb. Clearly labelled, not targeted towards you whatsoever, don't understand where you gathered that was an insult towards you.

Thirdly, I appreciate it that you don't want any ad homenims, but my post was clearly NOT one of those ad homo things at all.
I disagree with you and feel the post is needed, regardless of your opinion, here in the videos & screenshots section... I have posted a video! 

And yes, the conversation has evolved! Continued! Adapted!

Alright, I'll defend my post, I don't think it was dumb at all, frankly. Nor do I see why you'd say that. :(

 
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