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Permanent Ban Appeal - Cleon (Unbanned)

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Cleon

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In-game Name

[TW] Cleon

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76561198071075210

Please provide a link to your previous denied appeal.

https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/71805-permanent-ban-appeal-cleon-denied/?tab=comments#comment-412403
In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.

First of all, I'd like to say hi to all my old friends, past and present on the server. I deeply apologize to you all for the events that occurred after I was banned. I understand that a lot of people in The Warriors at the time looked to me for guidance, advice and most importantly, to set an good example for them all. Especially the newer players to the server.

I'm here now to explain; to the best of my ability, the series of events that took place that lead to my ban, and all the events following that lead to the ban of others, no Bullshit, no Ego and no grudges, even if what I say guarantee's the denial of this appeal.

This was a time when a large chunk of members from other gangs that we really got on well with were getting banned (members of Fetty Waps gang), among others, and we only had their side of the story to hear at the time, and what they were telling us made us believe that they were getting banned for silly reasons, as if they had some sort of target on their back. Fast forward a short while and a staff team member "JamZ" I do believe it was, abused his powers to teleport around the map with god mode to mass RDM people. JamZ was streaming this incident for a select group of people. One of my close friends at the time as well as being one of the leaders of the gang "YoCo" was watching that stream, laughing as JamZ sprayed down countless amounts of people at various locations around the map. This lead to YoCo getting banned.

As previously mentioned, YoCo and I got on so well, and so Did we and the rest of The Warriors - we had grown this gang from nothing to become one of the largest on the 3 servers, and I feel we pretty much became like a group of Brothers, I still talk to most of them to this day in fact. So I decided that I would leave the server, for how long I didn't know but I felt at the time that it wouldn't be the same without everyone playing together, I was prepared to leave the server and everything we'd worked that hard for to start anew on another server if need be.

So, seeing as at this time I wasn't banned and I don't think anyone else was from the gang either - and no further offences had been committed, I decide to join The Team-speak that YoCo was using to chat whilst I wrote out a departure post on the forums. (I couldn't talk to YoCo at the time because he was banned from the RPUK Teamspeak) The post I was going to send was basically a warm farewell to all my gang members and friends from the server that had made playing RPUK so much fun, with a somewhat salty paragraph at the bottom that was aimed towards a Small Select group of staff members.
But When I joined the Teamspeak that consisted of "Jamz", "YoCo", "Fetty Wap" and I believe "Mr.Bear" (Although he may have joined later on, I cant remember) I was warned by them to use a VPN because members of the staff team here were banning people for affiliating themselves with particular banned members of the community in other Teamspeak servers. But at the time, I didn't care because I was planning on departing anyway and I highly doubted that the staff members here were able to access other peoples Teamspeaks to find out who is talking with who, and looking back I realize it was most likely the people in them Teamspeaks themselves that were just basically snaking people out, so to speak.

At this time I've now finished my departure post, I push "Post" and I get a popup saying that I have been banned (1.6 admin ban I'm pretty sure, which if i remember rightly is the rule that allows a admin to ban anyone they chose if they believe it to be necessary)
Needless to say, that got my blood boiling, "I haven't done anything wrong, and I've been banned from everything - Teamspeak, Game, Forums" I couldn't even access the forums to put in an unban appeal or to find out why I had been banned. I had given so many hours to this community, done so much for the community in terms of Roleplay events, Unique Roleplay scenarios, taking in new players and teaching them how to play, how to make money, how to Roleplay etc. and I was just banned, in the click of a finger. Obviously I look back now and I realize, being in the same Teamspeak as ex members like them (With the exception of bear and YoCo) was wrong and I do completely understand as to why that would warrant a Ban. Although I will admit that I still don't believe it was fair that I wasn't at least given a chance to Appeal this ban, however That is in the past and I'm over it.

At this time, a sizable amount of people from my gang decided, in a sort of final act of defiance I guess to go down with me and Yoco, and if we were leaving the server, why not show our distaste of recent events to everyone and go out with a "bang" - And that's why Bear ran around Kavala shooting people, as well as trying to crash a Helicopter into Kavala, that's why Damon got on a 50'cal and attempted to RDM as many people as he could, there may have been more similar things that happened, however I am not aware of them.

Here is the part that I am truly guilty of, which I do regret, as it was a knee jerk reaction at the time - and it wasn't fair for us to take out our anger on the innocent players of your server, whom had done absolutely nothing wrong to myself or my gang. I egged this whole series of events on, when I shouldn't have. I should of slept on it, and decided to try and get in contact with a staff member another way to resolve my and other members situations as I normally would.

In this video im about to link, I am the 3rd person to speak, the first bit of dialogue I had was saying " wait, whats this" (So you know my voice and can tell exactly what I said)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=PclEIvVoiio


After these Incidents, there was a huge amount of misinformation spread about myself, and other people of my gang. But I swear, on my life I personally didn't send death threats, I never advocated them. and I most certainly, never told anyone to "kill themselves" Absolutely not.
and IF anyone from my gang did do these things then I can 100% say for certainty, that I had no knowledge of this and I certainly didn't advocate it.

What have you been upto in the last 6 months+ ?

I've been working, I've been training - I mostly work in the city, but in my spare time I still play the odd game of Altis Life on other servers.
I've also been in contact with some of the old gang members, and im still hoping to get in contact with more that I haven't spoken to in ages. I'm hoping I can do this if I am unbanned.

Why do you want to return ?

I just miss playing with all the old guys to be honest, I miss all of the fun things that we got up to, all the laughs we had and all the weird and wonderful people that we came across on a day to day basis.

Why should we unban you ?

I'm going to copy and paste this from my last unban appeal, because Everything I say here I still truly mean, and I really don't think many people would disagree to be honest, apart from the events leading up to, and after my ban I was a Model member, and I still would be If i was able to play again.

I truly feel that the positive impact i've had on peoples server experiences here at RPUK far far outweigh the negatives, I've only been reported once or twice, both got rejected, I took in new players and taught them how to play the game, taught them how to make money, how to roleplay etc. I started a gang that grew from one person to becoming one of the largest on the server, and we formed friendships that have lasted to this day, and although like any other gang we used our numbers to fight with other gangs and the police etc. I feel we also placed a huge emphasis on roleplay. We created the "neighbourhood watch" scheme, to help control crime around the kavala area, in an attempt to help newer players, and roleplayers focus on what they need to be doing. here is a video of myself stumbling across a hostage situation, during one of our neighbourhood watch patrols:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD7w_H69i3w


We also used our numbers to try and revive the ARAC, and had some amazing fun:
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/55053-the-warriors-more-arac/#comment-314739


What i'm basically trying to get at here, is that as a player, I strive for new and different interactions otherwise I get bored quickly, this is why I used my gang to create some really engaging role play events/ scenarios, and if You allow me to come back to your community I can make you a promise that that is exactly what I plan to do again, I'll form another gang, and provide a great gaming experience for those that come across us.


To Conclude, i'm going to leave links of some Roleplay events and forum threads that I feel, perfectly describe what "The Warriors" were all about (I highly recommend watching them all, but number 1 especially :))
And I thank you for taking to time to review my unban request, I humbly accept any decision that you come to.


UNMC running scared:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2oBn9FLTMM


The brilliant [TW] Zivdol performing for the crowd in kavala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvhDEgiW3I0


Slanging match with a couple of rebels, during ARAC patrol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXOy-evLHfM


Hobo suicide + memorial during ARAC patrol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxbTL6Iuepc


Charity fun run - Drinks at the kavala pub (skip to 2:30 to skip the gunfight)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh3KratEnEo




The warriors Charity run forum thread:
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/58285-charity-run/#comment-332035


Recommendation from Drew about “The Warriors”
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/58781-the-warriors-quality-roleplay-gang/#comment-334930

AlvesPT Goodbye post (he was a new player that didnt know anything about the server or RP when he joined. and subsequently got banned but we took him in and taught him what we could, and he became a good community member)
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/60848-alvespt-says-goodbye/?tab=comments#comment-346021

Laurence Vendetta goodbye post:
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/60564-dead-man-walking/?tab=comments#comment-344481

Warriors Recommendation:
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/58744-the-warriors/#comment-334727

There are many more things like this laying around. But I feel this is too much already., its now late and at this time, I cant think of anything else to say right now. But hopefully you see that theres no bullshit here, and Unbanning me would not be a mistake.

Please confirm this unban request is for you.

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I have read and understand the unban appeal process

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Please confirm you understand there is no timeframe for your appeal.

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I confirm 6 months+ have passed since my denied appeal.

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First of all, this isn't a reunion forum... using your unban appeal to wave at people in my view is abusing the fact we've allowed you to open one and little unfocused at the main thing in hand, especially considering the group of people you were involved with and your involvement with the childish reactions.

The bans we do are for very good reasons, some of them have turned into very serious reasons with some of your past friends still coming to the forums today signing up accounts and posting abusive/childish and sometimes racist stuff, those kind of people do not have a place here and really if other servers was not run by mindless individuals shouldn’t have a place anywhere.

Our staff do not sit on TeamSpeak’s, in-fact we do not check forums… you would be surprised how many people care about this place to advise us things, Are they “snaking” (grow the fuck up btw) as you kids call it… no they are protecting something brilliant from people like that! What’s your excuse?

That night... during your RDM/VDM and whatever else spree we was listening in via a live stream that one of your "brothers" was hosting for us, which another one of your "brothers" sent to us, we also had a video from someone else.

We knew who was involved with this, but yes we will ban entire groups of people what is known as a "blanket ban" (they happen rarely these days but still there for when required) why because if only 1 or 2 of you are looking up to us and saying ummm… this and that is going on and its completely against server rules or a big abuse of admin powers then anyone else who gets wrongly banned during a quick culling to avoid “actions” can appeal afterwards but if then people become children we will treat entire groups like children!

I got quite friendly with Jamz in his time as admin I would of considered him a friend and someone to play games with but hey… look what he did that’s unknown people online for you! Did i think he was like that and spoke like that ?... No when he was an admin he spoke like a normal person and not like someone who thinks there part of real sad little online crew.

These “brothers” that you never met btw in real life are people you met here on Roleplay UK and you will do well to remember that.

As you described you’re going out with a bang... its only viewed as others as a minor inconvenience and children acting like children, takes us less than a second to ban someone and about 2-3 mins to comp someone, the people you are inconveniencing here are other members who lose out on any roleplay, and lose out on any gear they lost, these are people who you are saying hi to at the beginning of your post btw…

Now this one always makes me laugh… your hours and what you’ve done for the server, you blown all that away in your chucking toys out the pram actions… so quite frankly no one gives a toss.

Who cares about what you did here, or what type of a Roleplayer you was, you chucked that all away with your actions my friend so i am not even going to bother sitting here watching and listening to old footage, I haven't even clicked on the bad footage of you on TS just to remain neutral.

Now apart from Yoco who is a bit of a success story why the hell should you really be unbanned ... I mean your last comment is there is "no bullshit here" while i see a lot of bullshit of you thinking you meant something to the history of this server... again you chucked that all away by your actions and if you cared about this place so much... you wouldn't of been taking part and would of been reporting rule breaks.

I guess brothers that you never met and really truth be told that you couldn't trust with your life meant more to you, Its a shame these brothers "snaked" you out just to keep there places on Roleplay UK... lets be fair you don't give a toss about this place and I am pretty sure @YoCo is the one driving this unban just to rejoin up with you... its not something you really want.

 
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Please bare with me Wilco, I work long hours so my replies might take a little while. I will have a reply for you this evening if you don't mind

 
First of all, this isn't a reunion forum... using your unban appeal to wave at people in my view is abusing the fact we've allowed you to open one and little unfocused at the main thing in hand, especially considering the group of people you were involved with and your involvement with the childish reactions.
My apologies, I meant no disrespect. The intention wasn't really to wave at anyone, it was more to just apologize to anyone who I let down. In the event of my request getting denied I just want my Past gang members to know what really happened and how I am sorry for what happened. 

I'll stick to the topic going forward.

The bans we do are for very good reasons, some of them have turned into very serious reasons with some of your past friends still coming to the forums today signing up accounts and posting abusive/childish and sometimes racist stuff, those kind of people do not have a place here and really if other servers was not run by mindless individuals shouldn’t have a place anywhere.
I don't know what friends you are talking about, however if its the likes of Fetty, JamZ and Co, then they aren't my friends, they never was. I thought they were decent enough people at the time, we just had a laugh and got on really well on the somewhat rare occasions that they would come into our TS channel (Pre Bans). I'd also play Overwatch with JamZ from time to time but that was about it (Again, before he got banned).

If the friends you are referring to, are ex members of the Warriors like Bear, Roostof, Laurence, Damon etc. whom I do still consider to be friends to this day. Then even though I highly doubt they would do that (and I'd be really surprised), I have no knowledge of that. But if you want to maybe private message me with the names, I will contact them and ask them to stop.

Our staff do not sit on TeamSpeak’s, in-fact we do not check forums… you would be surprised how many people care about this place to advise us things, Are they “snaking” (grow the fuck up btw) as you kids call it… no they are protecting something brilliant from people like that! What’s your excuse?
The people who was in that team speak when I joined to talk to YoCo, was Jamz, Fetty, and YoCo, these at the time were not people that cared about RPUK enough to advise you anything (placing special emphasis on JamZ and fetty here) I joined that Teamspeak, and no more than 10 minutes or so later, I was banned from the Teamspeak, the forums and in game. this was before any blanket banning, before any RDM'ing etc etc. from my gang. Now I am not and was not accusing any of the staff members of somehow gaining access to a private Teamspeak to issue bans in my most recent unban appeal. And I was not accusing any of the non-involved members of RPUK of "Snitching"  But what I am saying is that, looking back anyone of those banned members, were most likely just screenshotting peoples information who joined the server, or doing in another way it doesn't matter and forwarding it on to whomever just to get people banned. hence why I called it "snaking" - for lack of a better word. at the time there was a trend of this happening when people joined Private Teamspeak servers with people like Fetty and Jamz. And that's why I'm pretty confident that that is what happened.

 and if you cared about this place so much... you wouldn't of been taking part and would of been reporting rule breaks.
 What rule breaks could I actually report though? Because I was honestly banned before anything kicked off with my gang. In fact it kicked off with "The Warriors" (only a small handful) because I was banned, and everyone involved felt at the time, that banning me from the forums, Teamspeak and In Game and giving me 0 chance to appeal the ban to show that at the time, that I had no ill intentions towards the server because of YoCo getting banned. All because I was Sitting in a Teamspeak server under a different name to what I use on the RPUK Teamspeak with 3 members that were banned (I was only there for 1 person of them 3 as well).

A quick search on the forums will most likely show that when I was an active player in the server I did report Rule breaks, and I provided full evidence to go along with them reports. (I tended to sort out most problems in Teamspeak anyway, so going to the forums was a rarity) and any members from my gang that were not 100% compliant with the rules, or were to gun ho with an unwillingness to display excellent standards of role play at all times were removed (we even Roleplayed the removal of gang members, there is I believe an example video of that on the forums somewhere) . In fact The Warriors were I believe the first group, be it police, UNMC and other rebel gangs to have a rule where if you are using Teamspeak whilst in a Role play scenario, you must broadcast what you are saying via the direct chat in order to incorporate them active radio communications into your role play scenarios, now the odd people here and there may have been doing this from time to time. But when the rule got implemented, we did it all the time. 

Below is a Recommendation from Drew, I know you are not reading these but inside he mentions about how he loves the fact that we would incorporate Teamspeak communication into our Roleplay.





I mean your last comment is there is "no bullshit here" while i see a lot of bullshit of you thinking you meant something to the history of this server...
I'm sorry Wilco but I disagree, there is no bullshit in these posts, I've told nothing but the truth. And im 100% prepared to stay banned as a result of my honesty, I only hope that you see how genuine I am being, as im putting a lot of effort into displaying that.

You and others may believe that I mean nothing to the history of the server, and that's fair enough, I don't believe I made much of a scratch either. But one thing I do know, is that I gave people a chance when no one else would, I and my other gang leaders gave a reason for quite a few people to actually stay on the server, I spent hours sometimes sitting in Teamspeak resolving issues and not even being able to play, simply because it was my responsibility, and I cared. There are people, ex members or not that say the best Roleplay/The most fun/Best gang/leader/members they ever experienced was us. And that means as much to me as i'm sure it does to them. So to those people, I meant something to their own personal history of the server.

Now apart from Yoco who is a bit of a success story why the hell should you really be unbanned ... 
I wont drag this reply out any longer for you guys as it is already an awful lot for anyone to read and go through, But in short I should be unbanned so that I can carry on doing what I was doing Pre ban, and show everyone here that aside from my slip of character, and childish reaction after I was banned; I am an excellent community member, and I do care - that's why I have spent so much time on this appeal, and written such lengthy replies.

I understand why I was banned for being in the same Teamspeak as those banned community members, and its logical. I hold no grudges. I only feel that the severity of that ban was a bit extreme. I do believe I should have been given a chance to access the forums here and explain why I was in that Teamspeak. and I understand that reacting to that punishment was childish. But its been a long time Wilco, and I Believe I deserve the chance to show everyone that I do mean everything I've said in this unban appeal.

 
@Cleon Thanks for your reply and putting some time and effort into it, That does show me a genuine reaction of someone who does want to be unbanned.

Thanks for your responses, I can see from them you do not have a clue what was really going on in the background and the months of admin abuse prior to the bans from what were 2 of the worst staff team members we unfortunately put trust into. 

However when people act like kids and throw toys out the pram it is only right that we should put everything out there just to clear the air.... Here is your hidden leaving post from June of 2016:

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Firstly it made me laugh then and still does now... the greatest assets line, Yeah i would agree that our members are the greatest assets but not the ones you were referring to, Wastes of space more like!

Then your little amusing list... I think you was completely deluded at the time, If we ban people its for very good reasons and it works! Here we are standing strong nearly 4 years on.

Anyway one last question... Why now ? Why has it taken you until December 2017 to face up to your actions ?

 
I'm actually glad you have that leaving post still, I would of posted it had I been able to get it. Most of the things I said there was how I felt at the time, and some of it I said purely out of spite. It's probably quite evident which is which.

You are right, I had only one side of the story to go on, I actually forgot about Shadowrain, he was one of the best Role players I think I've ever played with, seeing him get banned at the time really shocked me. I don't even know the truth as to why he was banned looking back.

Usually I always try to investigate both sides of the story before jumping to conclusions, and I still don't know why to this day that I did that. I think maybe it's just easy to trust staff members, and believe what they're telling you because they get reputations of being highly regarded, honest community members.

Why wait until 2017?  When posting my first unban appeal as you can tell I was still quite angry about it all. So after that got denied I just moved on, and I did regret everything that happened. 

After trying to move on with other servers it just wasn't really the same so I had basically quit playing PC, if you speak to any of the old warriors guys they'll tell you I pretty much dropped off the face of the planet for a long time. And honestly I'm a very proud, headstrong person for the most part, and so I didn't want to come back to a grilling when I knew that at the time a massive chunk of the server would of hated me basically, and would of loved nothing more than for me to get chewed up and denied.

However now I feel like alot of people once seeing a genuine apology and explanation of what happened after this amount of time has passed would be ready to forgive my actions and see that alot of the things that I was rumoured to have done, just simply isn't true.

Ultimately my goal is to reunite as many of the old gang as possible, even if they don't play the server anymore for whatever reason, I want to try and get them back. With the sole intention of doing what we always did best. And I feel this would not have been possible had I not waited this long to try and get unbanned.

 
@Cleon

Well there wasn't any side there, The bans were fully justified and a number of people are on the never unban list which is something that is reserved for the very worst, Your leaving post which included some sort of silly attempt to tell people to "jump ship" ... Not that there is another ship worth jumping to.

Shadowrain who went to a teamspeak service who have nothing to do with Arma or Altis Life and advised them that we would send staff members over and DDOS their services.

Shadowrain who went onto various gaming forums including ones that was nothing to do with Arma 3 or Altis life slating this community and saying I was threatening and taking the piss out his disabled child ... Please bare in mind I said nothing of the sort let alone knew he had a child, In-fact i only spoke to the guy once after he pestered the staff to hear my voice! he developed some strange obsession upon leaving here.

Unfortunately this community in the past has attracted the unstable sort as you know, you've certainly found a few but we will be here all day talking about the crop you adored so much to support.

Anyway I am not going to sit here all night pulling things out of the archives, You've come here and give a genuine unban and that's all we ask for in this process, compared to what the others have done laughing at people causing an inconvenience to the server and its members is a shitty thing to do and I hope you remain ashamed of that one but its nothing compared to other stuff we have had to put up with... bare in mind we are here in our free time for our community and its members.

You were clearly led up the garden path by the people you trusted

 
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