PC Robin shooting without RP. [None-police admin needed].

[Entei]

Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name):
Robin
Time & Date this happened:
5.2.2015 
Which Server did this happen on:
Server 1
Description of what happened:
We had a small headgear checkpoint where we taxed people off their hats etc. A cop car comes to stop us and we end up in a firefight. We got them all down and after a while the NHS comes up the scene. At this point no shots were fired for a while and we engaged in a different RP already. We let them pick the police officers up cause we wanted to be nice - again no shots were fired and nobody was left from the police force there. Then after a minute when the NHS was talking to one of the officers we began to be fired at without a word said. The officer next to us then proceeded to knock us all out without a word nor a weapon.
What Rule Was Broken ?:
RDM (as long as I have been here it does include shooting to kill even when it doesn't actually kill the person involved)
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?:
I have but all I got was the same ignorant answer that I have been getting from this police officer every time.
Please post video evidence/screenshots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence, If your report is about RDM then it must be a video leading upto the RDM and after)


 
Ignore the end, the report is from the shot that came very close to the NHS.

 

[just Robin]

what happent is that i was at the garage and i hear gunshots  so i make my way over there the i coud not get a clear shot on them so i waited.(never lost them out of my sight tho) when the officer was revived i ask on radio if that were the men and if am clear to fire (if he was abel to GTFO) and he was so i shot he ran i saved the officer. i dont see why i would talk first in that situation becaus if i did that i bring my and my collge life in danger. and we were both safe out. 

 

[E.A. Leevi]

I'm not taking sides as I know neither of you but what you just described could (PC Robin)  basically be used to any RDM report. I shot him because I knew he was Armed and a threat. I appreciate it was obviously not that simple but you should just consider your wording while trying to defend yourself from an RDM post. 

 

[Entei]

Your collegue was just revived by the NHS cause we LET THEM GET REVIVED.

"i dont see why i would talk first in that situation becaus if i did that i bring my and my collge life in danger."

Because we have to - everytime. We cannot just come to a scene where there's our teammates in handcuffs and open fire - we HAVE TO tell you that you're being aimed and need to release the man. How does one talk to a radio while having his hands up and right in front of us - wouldn't we hear it? 

You tell us that you asked the man on the radio if that's the guy who killed them - yet you don't shoot at me you shoot near the NHS and the PLF member right next to the medic. I don't see how you can say you were both safely out - when in fact you died a little later on the video. You didn't actually safe the man - the man knocked us all out while having no gun on his hands - while running around like a mad man. The only reason that PCSO didn't die was because the guy in the construction site decided not to shoot cause he was unarmed and we were already up on our feet.

Don't tell me the NHS member which you missed by less than a inch was a threat to you.

How possibly could the officer know which one of us exactly was the guy who shot the officers? You do realize there were innocent bystanders as well? Since your shot was not going towards the guy who killed the officers in the first place - I can only assume you had no idea which one of us actually did kill the police officers and no communications were ACTUALLY even there. If there were communications between you and the other officer then obviously the shot would have been aimed at me.

This "never lost them out of my sight tho"  is also impossible since as you can clearly see from the video I went behind walls and even behind vehicles multiple times and there was nobody on those hills before that. There's no way he could have seen us the whole time.

Basically you're stating your defense on: "He had a gun and was a threat so I shot him" If this is OK by the rules then anyone can shoot the cops as soon as they're seen. In the end of the day - they're a threat to us and they're armed.

 

[just Robin]

ofcours i did not know exacly what guy shot the officers but you were a groep wiht big guns same gear. i shot becaus i was there in that fight its not becaus a min or 2 pass that i cant shoot anymore m8 i just did what i thout was best, you shoud injoy the game more m8 and if things like this happen , yea its a complex situation , but why dont you just go wiht it and leave it. if you were a bit more respectfull on ts i could give you a Comp, mestakes happen.

sry for the engels  

 

[Entei]

ofcours i did not know exacly what guy shot the officers but you were a groep wiht big guns same gear. i shot becaus i was there in that fight its not becaus a min or 2 pass that i cant shoot anymore m8 i just did what i thout was best, you shoud injoy the game more m8 and if things like this happen , yea its a complex situation , but why dont you just go wiht it and leave it. if you were a bit more respectfull on ts i could give you a Comp, mestakes happen.

sry for the engels

Everytime I try to talk to you all I get is "haha cry more" attitude. I'm done talking to you about it. Last time I let your shoot first ask questions later attitude go - but it keeps and keeps going. I'm not the only one talking about this - just the first one to bring it up.

You were not in that fight, we had multiple eyes around the area, why do you think we knew exactly where the shot came from? Well at least you did finally admit your mistakes and I will withdraw the report if you promise you wont be shooting as soon as you see someone - without RP that is.

Please don't start lying - just tell the truth for once. You came to the situation late opened fire cause you saw people with guns - that's about it. It's against the rules to fire upon anyone without proper RP engaged - you did not do that with us. Also the situation was more like 1 versus 5 and you still engaged instantly without even trying to talk it through. If we wanted your colleague would be dead because of you. You also died right after the video - so all you got is yourself killed for me. 

 

[just Robin]

well thats not treu i not lying m8, i was at the garage when it stared i saw the last officer going down and i made it out alive m8 medic was there to help. i was in ts aswel and my officer said that i was clear to open fire, i might not be the smartest move and if i think about it now i could talk but what happent happent and that was not RDM. not the smartedest move but no reuls broken 

 

[Ram]

What happens is . i got revived and Someone asked me in the radio if he is free to shot, i said yes and then he said knock them all down
robin wasn't there when that all start...

 

[Entei]

I believe robin wants to give some proof on his side cause he is talking about a lot of stuff here?

I have also noticed a small pattern here - and the 1st one has the same attitude I get when I confront this officer on teamspeak afterwards. 

 

[Neo]

I cant make a decision on this as it's an officer, and I am too.....

Ill also state, I'm only commenting on THIS report.

You started off with a dangerous roadblock... the officers gave you a chance, but you wanted the fight. You eventually killed them all as none of them had lethal ability... you were rubber balled but back in action as they couldn't get to you.

In the mean time, the officer slowly got into a flanking position, and organised an escape for the officers being held..

He fires shots, you lose attention, officer knocks you off and runs for it.

You then METAGAME to the MAX...I've never seen a report where the menu is brought up every 2 seconds to see the players name-tag to see where they're hiding.. This is a HUGE abuse of game mechanics... you then sneak around on his position weapon drawn.. what were you expecting.....

You labeled it RDM when no-one was hit...

Awaiting a non-police Admin to complete this report.

 

[Neo]

I'll also add that PC Robin is now reduced to CSO ability to enforce his roleplay.

Police investigation pending the result of all 3 reports.

 

[Entei]

I cant make a decision on this as it's an officer, and I am too.....

Ill also state, I'm only commenting on THIS report.

You started off with a dangerous roadblock... the officers gave you a chance, but you wanted the fight. You eventually killed them all as none of them had lethal ability... you were rubber balled but back in action as they couldn't get to you.

In the mean time, the officer slowly got into a flanking position, and organised an escape for the officers being held..

He fires shots, you lose attention, officer knocks you off and runs for it.

You then METAGAME to the MAX...I've never seen a report where the menu is brought up every 2 seconds to see the players name-tag to see where they're hiding.. This is a HUGE abuse of game mechanics... you then sneak around on his position weapon drawn.. what were you expecting.....

You labeled it RDM when no-one was hit...

Awaiting a non-police Admin to complete this report.

I "abused" the metagaming to find out who it is - because in my eyes there were absolutely no RP from their point continuing anymore - since they were all dead. As you notice I never fired a shot at him cause I wanted to talk to him instead. You obviously have heard the story from someone in the police force and weren't there at the scene. The officer that knocked us down was never in danger, which he also openly stated at us. We were in role play where there were no threats to anyones lives so basically Robin shooting put them both in danger. There was only one officer talking to us prior to the shooting and he was not being held - notice how our weapons are behind our backs because the medic asked us to do so. And he was completely free to leave at any point he wishes. Robin himself died a little after I stopped recording and the officer who was unarmed was let go because well, he wasn't a threat to us. He didn't knock us all down - as you might notice there's a guy up on the construction site which would have had an easy time eliminating the officer Ram. Also I have seen plenty of people get banned for shooting without role play even if they didn't kill the person - what comes to nobody got hit, that's a lie. The bullet hit the man next to the medic.

The officers didn't really give us a chance - they gave us an ultimatum of either surrender or be in a firefight. The roadblock wasn't dangerous - as you might notice there's plenty of room from both sides and if you don't speed like a complete idiot - you would easily be stopped at it, I have seen worse checkpoints from the police tbh. 

If you actually read the whole topic you would also notice that the report is NOT about the kill on me at all and that Robin wasn't there as stated by Ram "robin wasn't there when that all start..." 

As you're not an admin to make the decision in this case - I would think you're then under the same rules as everyone else.

1. Reports are not up for discussion, Anyone posting in a report who is not the reporter or the person they have reported then your post will be deleted and a warning point given (Restricts you posting for 7 days)

2. You may only comment on a report about you if you have evidence that shows otherwise or if the person has failed to contact you on Teamspeak.

 

[Entei]

But as I stated earlier, I'm willing to drop the report completely since a punishment has already been given through the police force. I don't want him banned and I have nothing against him personally.

 

[Neo]

 You obviously have heard the story from someone in the police force and weren't there at the scene.

I believe you need to think outside the box... pot shots to scare people is not RDM, this report would fail on this report front.

I speculated from what I saw in the video, your own reports, and the first defense post from Robin.

I believe you shouldn't assume.

Locked for admins.

 

[Ciaran]

Report Closed - Punishment issued through the police force, and by request of reporter.