On The Scrapping of Stolen Vehicles...

[Samatlewis]

My empty huron was scrapped because it was at Kavala drug dealer... I wasn't even there I just got a 'your huron has been scrapped' so I spoke to them in teamspeak and it was scrapped as it was at a drug related area, even if it was empty.

It was even reported stolen as for a time it was stolen

Had you sold drugs?

As I said, mistakes happens and that (provided you wasn't too close to the city when landed (your own stupidity otherwise))  officers will make mistakes; don't get me wrong we have out bad apples that see scrapping Hurons as trophies

 

[Namron]

I had over 45 minutes before the huron got scrapped

@Samatlewiss and it was landed at the drug dealer crashed, with no rotors and was there for around 40 mins

 

[Samatlewis]

I had over 45 minutes before the huron got scrapped

Hahaha, then it's no mistake it got scrapped.

Sell drugs+leave vehicle in the vicinity+ illegally landed= where did the common sense go?

 

[Ponty]

My empty huron was scrapped because it was at Kavala drug dealer... I wasn't even there I just got a 'your huron has been scrapped' so I spoke to them in teamspeak and it was scrapped as it was at a drug related area, even if it was empty.

It was even reported stolen as for a time it was stolen

Also if you landed at Kavala drug dealer, it can be considered to have been landed within city limits, which is also a scrap.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Also if you landed at Kavala drug dealer, it can be considered to have been landed within city limits, which is also a scrap.

My helicopter got scrapped for being at Rebel Tower on the outskirts of Kavala and I wasn't involved in any illegal activities nor was my vehicle involved in any crimes and I would hardly say the place it was landed would have disrupted anything. 

 

[RuTHLeSS INFO]

Simple said:

If you have lost or your vehicle has been stolen then report it to the police.

If that vehicle is being used for drug smuggling and not reported stolen, but full of drugs it will be scrapped.Roleplay can still be done, by contacting the real owner to avoid scrapping. Officers decision at the end, my opinion.

If your vehicle is stolen and used in a gunfight if will probaly end up getting scrapped or impounded, since theres no way for police to check a dead bodys corpse with ID on them. That would start accusations such as metagaming.

If your chopper is crash within city limits, especially near drug dealer and its actually empty etc. . The owner could be contacted through roleplay using mobile. No answer then it should just be impounded.

If that chopper has drugs in it and its abandon but not reported stolen it could either be scrapped or impounded. Like I say it can be roleplayed using the mobile funktion.

Large vehicles such as hurons that have been caught red-handed doing drug runs, depending on the roleplay given would be either scrapped or impounded. It all depends on the roleplay story.

We as the police already have enough restrictions as it is, and shouldnt be more stricter as it is.

Officers usually contact there higher ups explaining the case therefore authorizing a scrap or impound. 

We are not here as officers just so we can scrap vehicles, common sense is used when it comes to this procedure.THose who neglect there power scrapping powers will be issued consequences.

Sometimes officers will make a mistake when it comes to scrapping a vehicle in a certain situation. I ask those kindly, please to start a huge argument or threaten to report.

At the end of the day its Arma, its a game and should still be treated as such.The game will have limitations issued on police and civilians abroad, you cant have everything that happens in the real world put into altislife. 

My 2 pennies on this...

 

[Namron]

Report your vehicle stolen and there is no chance of it being scrapped

I've had plenty of vehicles I reported stolen scrapped, and no it wasn't when a gang member stole them.

Hahaha, then it's no mistake it got scrapped.

Sell drugs+leave vehicle in the vicinity+ illegally landed= where did the common sense go?

I wasn't flying the huron I went up there to find the huron (that had got stolen earlier) crashed against drug dealer wall and there was no way for me to get it out. I sold the drugs I had in my inventory then I decided I had to leave it as there was nothing I could do 

 

[Samatlewis]

I've had plenty of vehicles I reported stolen scrapped, and no it wasn't when a gang member stole them.

I wasn't flying the huron I went up there to find the huron (that had got stolen earlier) crashed against drug dealer wall and there was no way for me to get it out. I sold the drugs I had in my inventory then I decided I had to leave it as there was nothing I could do 

That's unfortunate but due to the evidence provided it was rightfully scrapped.

@MrCheesorry for derailing the thread!

 

[Namron]

It still means that what said isn't always true

 

[AnonMember1]

It still means that what said isn't always true

Well, it is always true. The only exception we give for this is say it was used to try and rob them, they steal it and ask for it to be scrapped.

@Dr Normanyou clearly have some issue with the situation with Samat. To be quite frank, this isn't the place for it, you should of dealt with it in the liaison room after the situation if you really feel that unhappy about it.

@MrCheeI see your points on how the system could be better however for it to change you would need to make a suggestion to the development team as there is nothing that I can do from a police end. As I said we work with what we are given and not everyone is always happy.

 

[Walt]

I realise this already has a lot of responses, however I've had a quick skim and thought I'd say my part. 

I feel you've made some valid points, however have provided no valid fixes for this issue, from what I can see.

"Why are we allowing Police to not identify the owner and user of a vehicle". 

"Why are Police relying on a fundamentally faulty system" 

To your first point, I would like to ask you if you have spoken to the user who stole your vehicle?. If so, please inform us as to what information they provided to the Police, as a lot of this is what goes into the decision making process. Now, you say that when Police check the reg and see Mr. Chee, not a [R3kT] gangman, can you confirm where the Police are getting the information that the user is indeed [R3kT] gangman and not Mr. Chee?. Are you insinuating Police should metagame, or are you certain that the user provided a name different to that of the owner of the vehicle. Again, this is a lot easier for us to look into and see if Police were in breach of good practice if we can know what they were told.

As for the faulty system, I would ask what your recommendations are as to what the Police can rely on that can be used now?. The dispatch system is the best chance you've got, at alerting the majority of Police Officers on duty that your vehicle has been taken. This is your property, the onus is on you to protect it and ensure it is kept safe and you are aware of where it is at all times.

Regarding the breach of good practice in the Police Force. I feel that if you are using that term to blanket over the whole process, then you are wrong and I would disagree as it is currently the most professional and efficient system we have for scrapping vehicles. 

Regarding your statement later on that Officers scrapped your vehicle in the full knowledge that the owner was not involved and associated with the crime, then this is indeed concerning and I can understand your annoyance. I would imagine that Police Command are investigating this.

Regarding your example about your Ford being stolen. I would ask you  to respect the fact this is AltisLife and we cannot uphold the Police standards set in real life. We cannot fingerprint, as that is seen as powergaming, we cannot dispute licenses, as that is seen as powergaming / metagaming, we have no means of identifying a person other than the information that person gives us, because of rules and limitations presented by the game. 

 

[Namron]

Having reflected on the situation I apologise @Samatlewiss @my comments were made out of anger which was wrong, the issue was already resolved with the SPC