MrChee
Well-known member
- Location
- United Kingdon
The Story --
So today my gang were in three cars. Mine was stolen as i got out and we pursued the person who stole it. They drove to alikampos where we watched the driver hit a rock and decamp before running into the town. We then left the chase as there was a gunfight going on between police and some third party which we didn't want to be assumed to be part of.
So we pulled off and immediately got involved with helping the third car who was chasing a truck who had rammed him. A good 45 minutes elapses in which time i forget all about my disabled SUV. I am waiting for a medic after a car crash completely unrelated, and suddenly i get the message my SUV has been scrapped.
So i talk to the officers on TS chat, initially, the scrapping officer did not know who had given him the order to scrap my vehicle 'in the radio mayhem' but eventually it was decided. [i'm excluding names as this is not a personal attack, but a complaint about a procedure]
I spoke to them on TS and was given the reasoning that my vehicle was not visibly reported stolen and it was used in a gun crime so it was scrapped, and this is police policy - although not in the handbook, or anywhere obvious. Regardless of who the owner was on the ANPR. Bearing in mind this was 45 minutes after we watched it be abandoned, broken against a rock.
Argument --
My first and main issue with this is that; why are we allowing police to not identify the owner and user of the vehicle. ID of the user of the vehicle is a fundamental part of the scrapping process, this was obviously not done for my vehicle. If they had observed a person leaving my vehicle and committing a crime, they should be able to ID him/her.
It is the responsibility of the prosecution/police to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the vehicle owner was the one committing the crime.
Therefore, when the police check the registration and see a Mr. Chee, not a [R3kT] gangman, they must doubt who was using it, and therefore they cannot scrap it surely..?
Secondly, If i didn't report it stolen, because i left it by a shop, changed cars and never noticed it gone, or if i was unable to report it stolen, for example through incapacitatation or role play - for example being taken hostage; the police would still scrap it under this pretense. Why is this acceptable?
Following on from this, why are the police being told to rely on a fundamentally faulty system to judge if a vehicle is stolen or not, which is whether the player has reported it stolen: Maybe the scrapping officer logged on after i reported it stolen, or maybe the person giving the permission does not see the stolen report. My IRL example is if my ford got stolen from my drive tonight whilst i was asleep, and it was used to crash into a bank 4am and the thief person was shot... It would not be reported stolen (i'm asleep), the police would ID the registered owner and the person who had taken it without consent, even if he was dead, to prove the owner was not at fault, and the police would not scrap it, So why do we scrap unknown vehicles on altis?
I find this a significant breach of good practice in the police force, and it has been raised before in lots of player reports but dismissed. If it was a Mohawk stolen by a civilian via bad RP and sold to a scrap dealer, the player would be banned, this is scrapping with bad RP, why are we allowing it.
When you have the right to remove items from the players/server which have potentially hundreds of hours of real player time behind them (mohawk for example), you need to make sure you are doing everything you can to prove what you are doing is right, this is integral to the trust between the police and the civilian players. Scrapping 'because it was used in a crime and wasn't reported stolen' does not satisfy this ethic. I hope people understand the principle i am trying to raise, both to the police command @ and to the staff team @Neoas this does seem a grey area for anyone i talk to.
So today my gang were in three cars. Mine was stolen as i got out and we pursued the person who stole it. They drove to alikampos where we watched the driver hit a rock and decamp before running into the town. We then left the chase as there was a gunfight going on between police and some third party which we didn't want to be assumed to be part of.
So we pulled off and immediately got involved with helping the third car who was chasing a truck who had rammed him. A good 45 minutes elapses in which time i forget all about my disabled SUV. I am waiting for a medic after a car crash completely unrelated, and suddenly i get the message my SUV has been scrapped.
So i talk to the officers on TS chat, initially, the scrapping officer did not know who had given him the order to scrap my vehicle 'in the radio mayhem' but eventually it was decided. [i'm excluding names as this is not a personal attack, but a complaint about a procedure]
I spoke to them on TS and was given the reasoning that my vehicle was not visibly reported stolen and it was used in a gun crime so it was scrapped, and this is police policy - although not in the handbook, or anywhere obvious. Regardless of who the owner was on the ANPR. Bearing in mind this was 45 minutes after we watched it be abandoned, broken against a rock.
Argument --
My first and main issue with this is that; why are we allowing police to not identify the owner and user of the vehicle. ID of the user of the vehicle is a fundamental part of the scrapping process, this was obviously not done for my vehicle. If they had observed a person leaving my vehicle and committing a crime, they should be able to ID him/her.
It is the responsibility of the prosecution/police to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the vehicle owner was the one committing the crime.
Therefore, when the police check the registration and see a Mr. Chee, not a [R3kT] gangman, they must doubt who was using it, and therefore they cannot scrap it surely..?
Secondly, If i didn't report it stolen, because i left it by a shop, changed cars and never noticed it gone, or if i was unable to report it stolen, for example through incapacitatation or role play - for example being taken hostage; the police would still scrap it under this pretense. Why is this acceptable?
Following on from this, why are the police being told to rely on a fundamentally faulty system to judge if a vehicle is stolen or not, which is whether the player has reported it stolen: Maybe the scrapping officer logged on after i reported it stolen, or maybe the person giving the permission does not see the stolen report. My IRL example is if my ford got stolen from my drive tonight whilst i was asleep, and it was used to crash into a bank 4am and the thief person was shot... It would not be reported stolen (i'm asleep), the police would ID the registered owner and the person who had taken it without consent, even if he was dead, to prove the owner was not at fault, and the police would not scrap it, So why do we scrap unknown vehicles on altis?
I find this a significant breach of good practice in the police force, and it has been raised before in lots of player reports but dismissed. If it was a Mohawk stolen by a civilian via bad RP and sold to a scrap dealer, the player would be banned, this is scrapping with bad RP, why are we allowing it.
When you have the right to remove items from the players/server which have potentially hundreds of hours of real player time behind them (mohawk for example), you need to make sure you are doing everything you can to prove what you are doing is right, this is integral to the trust between the police and the civilian players. Scrapping 'because it was used in a crime and wasn't reported stolen' does not satisfy this ethic. I hope people understand the principle i am trying to raise, both to the police command @ and to the staff team @Neoas this does seem a grey area for anyone i talk to.
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