MRAP shouldn't be as powerful as it is and should be nerfed

[Will Rozier]

I do agree that it needs to be nerfed but I believe it should still be stronger than anything 'crims' have access to. 

 

[Liam]

The question is more is it necessary to disable a tank, if it escalated already to bring a tank out. Rather review the deployment strategy, that's the point where we can ask ourselves what scenario the city resembles and why it's brought out more often than one year ago. Essentially there is already the situation that you can wipe the law enforcement in the city, which is pretty unrealistic itself, since the escalation chain IRL would be the military. 

I understand @Liampoint that there is a balance, but to remind you that it's not a team shooter where everyone should start with the same criteria, because in the end the top scorer wins. 

Barry Greenhalgh always says play stupid games win stupid prices. 

Play smarter. 

I'm aware that this will produce a lot of facepalm and what not. I'm just trying to nudge you in different mode of thinking. Don't change the player, change the game. 

Spin it on its head.

If crims had the MRAP for a day, I can assure you that the below things would happen

• F35 to blow it up
  
• Police wouldn't log on
  

Why wouldn't police log on? How can you expect crims to do anything when the indestructible MRAP is rolling around, ramming cars, running over unarmed gang members, laughing at them, mocking them, aggravating them. See clip below

https://streamable.com/yya6bz

 

[DJ]

I’m not sure why there is kind of hatred between cops and crim, because without one another there wouldn’t be a server.

Wouldn’t everyone like it to be fair and fun?

Maccas suggestion isn’t to remove your precious brick cube on wheels, it’s simply to nerf it. You can ram a wall 50,000 times and it’ll never break down, you can shoot 10,000 rounds at the windows and they’ll never break.

What do crims have at their disposal to counter it?

Amoured XLS/Rumpo Custom/Speedo Custom

- Insta scrap if they shoot out of it

- Windows aren’t bulletproof, but bullet resistant.

- Ram one car, engines fucked.

- 10Mil+ ?

Ask yourself, if cops keep bullying crims off the server with the most brutal and over the top tactics every single fight to bring out the cube on wheels. Sure, you’ve done your job as an LSPS officer but there won’t be any crims for you to police, won’t be anyone to police except pillbox baldies which you’ll get sick and tired of, as we’ve all seen the “Staff people loitering at MRPD”.

This mentality of “It’s us vs them” needs to stop for the better, and that’s towards the crim mains as well.

Stop trying to “one up” one another, and just play the game. Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. Surely, you would get bored if you won all the time?

I thought people would of learnt this from the Arma server but I guess not....

One needs the other, you take the piss with one and when there's no one to arrest you get bored very quickly! 

Nothing should be indestructible, literally sounds very powergamey to me

 

[Kina]

Police wouldn't log on

To add to this , 229 have already been accused of making police not wanting to play the game because of fighting, if we were to have an MRAP and we used it how they do, I know for a fact they would absolutely hate it and wouldn’t wunna play either 

 

[Liam]

I thought people would of learnt this from the Arma server but I guess not....

They wont learn until it happens, then they'll be confused as to why the server isn't here no more..

 

[Bmav]

I really wish my indestructubale Mule custom with 2 uzis with infinite ammo in the front didnt get deleted at this point just to laugh at you while i spray infinite ammo unfortunaly it got changed by devs because it was unbalanced (rightfully so) same as this roblox looking vehicle that doesn't require any logic to use.

Not only this you complain about rocket league but when you have the MRAP its fine to rocket league right ?

I invite cops to have a crim character and vice versa taste the other side before you give an opinion you have no clue about.

 

[Elakin]

The question is more is it necessary to disable a tank, if it escalated already to bring a tank out. 

I could maaaaybe agree with this a while back when, as it should be, the MRAP was rarely seen/used.

it’s now a daily patrol vehicle. Nothing needs to ‘escalate’ to bring it out. Infact yesterday, you can hear in Adam Busy’s report, he rams a few Coa cars, they ram him back, and Stuart Barker states over the radio something along the lines of ‘Don’t worry Adam, I’m gonna uhh.. I’m gonna start’ and that was the bloke who spent the next hour ramming everything in sight in the MRAP, involved or not, knowing he was completely invulnerable.

Not a gunshot had been fired and there was already intention of whipping out the old MRAP. It’s overused and overtuned.

 

[JamesShaw]

Now that PD can’t be corrupt they have to have their fun with MRAP. Let it slide 

 

[Dazz]

Now that PD can’t be corrupt they have to have their fun with MRAP. Let it slide 

RDM gets marked as police corruption

 

[Nikolai]

Insta scrap if they shoot out of it

not anymore, from what i know

You should join a gang and actually get some knowledge and experience before commenting on something you have no insight on.

poor reply, Jamie is more than welcome to reply on a suggestion made on the forums, given they're public, sure he may not know how it works exactly as he might not have a gang character, but that doesn't make his opinion invalid at the end of the day.




Regardless, i personally think gang leads(one, multiple or all) should try and have a chat with polcom first, get some proper rules set up for the MRAP as to keep the fun on both sides (even in it's current invincible state) to make it more fair, until a possible change, or a new meeting to make it fit the meta for the server at the time.

not everything has to be solved by devs, we're all adults that should be able to speak to each other in a polite manner.

(i'm not against it not being invincible)

 

[Chilli]

it goes both ways. Yes shouldnt be invincible. but should be very powerful. Back when police did not have power and trophy trucks and customs and armoured cars existed. Police was told to deal with it and find the weakness. So lower a small tiny bit. But it should sway balance to police 99% of time.

Also it cant be that good. 229 stole it before

 

[Liam]

Also it cant be that good. 229 stole it before

Via a bug

 

[Dazz]

Also it cant be that good. 229 stole it before

Don't forget the big hose truck we stole too, and the black hawk that we had with Aztecas in the past.

You can do anything you put your mind to 

 

[Rock ares]

it affects people who don't wanna get involved ie non AFO cops, Fire and NHS players

with me being in a gang and being in these "20 vs 20" fights, there has not been one time where it has affected NHS or fire services. maybe when police have arrived and arrested a couple people NHS  might be there to help them up but i dont rlly see how its a bad thing? it gives RP to the NHS and the crim.

i have also never seen a fire engine in a gang fight 

cops stopped playing altogether and some left and never returned

ur saying we have made cops stop playing but as of right now police are the main ones ruining my RP on this server which is making me and other close to me not log on. Police are starting to act like gangs and make this community very toxic, ik this has nothing to do with MRAP but just wanted to reply to that part of ur msg.

 

[Nikolai]

RDM gets marked as police corruption

no it doesn't, even if it is that means they'll still get banned due to the new rules

chances are you gonna start seeing multiple MRAPs at the same time in the future 

i can almost assure you that won't happen

 

[Mystix]

Would you rather every time you show up to a shots fired dispatch there’s nobody there? There’s nobody left at the scene to roleplay with? Or would you just rather the dispatches aren’t coming in at all?

To be honest in my opinion people should pretty much scatter when police shows up. Something which for example The Lost has done alot in the past to avoid any heat.
That to me makes the most sense.

I also think some gunfights are bound to happen however Im not so sure about the intensity and frequency we have currently. Currently just about anything will end in a shootout both when it comes against the police but also between gangs. For example a traffic stop shouldnt really end in a shootout which it does an unreasonable amount of times. At the same time I dont think someone saying "fuck you" to a gang member should end in a gunfight.

That being said, should the MRAP constantly be used? No I dont think so however as some have mentioned prior it has started to be used more and more due to the amount of gunfights which happens.

In the end of the day it is a balancing act when it comes to keeping the game fair.
Everyone is so eager to blame the other side that they forget to look at what they are doing themselves and the overall OOC toxicity really needs to stop, all it does it ruining it for everyone.

 

[Rock ares]

i can almost assure you that won't happen

it has already happened? last week if i remember correctly there was 2 MRAPS after 229 

 

[Dazz]

no it doesn't, even if it is that means they'll still get banned due to the new rules

Police shot someone the other day with no reason, made an OOC remark about it and a staff member replied saying "A police officer can kill you and it be marked as corruption, just because you were killed doesn't mean its rdm" 

I agree gangs can be hasty and out of control but police are no better and have been this way a long time. I was tazed in cuffs the other day and had shots fired at me whilst being escorted by another officer.

 

[Rock ares]

A question for the people who dont want it to be nerfed: 

Why dont u want it to be nerfed? is it because there a chance u might lose? 

I'm starting to feel like anything that gives police a slight disadvantage and a chance for them to lose they don't want.

as of right now getting the MRAP out is pretty much a free ticket to win, you cannot break it at all. we all know its not about winning its about RP at the end of the day, but nobody who is against an invincible metal truck that rams anyone and everyone while they are laughing in your face, thinks its good/enjoyable RP. 

 

[Nikolai]

it has already happened? last week if i remember correctly there was 2 MRAPS after 229 

do you have a clip? or any other 229, if so send in dms on discord please

and to answer your other questions you just posted

Why dont u want it to be nerfed?

i don't mind it being nerfed, but i personally think before going to get devs involved, a chat between gang leads, polcom and staff leads+ is a good start, compared to this suggestion that have more just turned into cops v crims but ooc

is it because there a chance u might lose? 

not really, if people are upset they lose, they're playing the wrong game

I'm starting to feel like anything that gives police a slight disadvantage and a chance for them to lose they don't want.

you could say the same for crims, it's always annoying to lose items, and i'm sure if we made a suggestion to remove all the cars used for wars from the server you lot(crims) would also do everything to not make it happen