Metagaming of name within the PNC & prison system (FIVEM)

[Nazgul]

I feel this has side tracked a bit the suggestion is to stop a flaw in the prison system of giving away your name when none knows it which is meta gaming if police use this to identify you I can understand due to limitations for police to identifying someone is small but using this shouldn’t be allowed if police can’t identify someone through ID number plate etc I’d recommend putting a suggestion in to the development team to allow you to access phones and other things that could give you identity

 

[Jason]

I feel this has side tracked a bit the suggestion is to stop a flaw in the prison system of giving away your name when none knows it which is meta gaming if police use this to identify you I can understand due to limitations for police to identifying someone is small but using this shouldn’t be allowed if police can’t identify someone through ID number plate etc I’d recommend putting a suggestion in to the development team to allow you to access phones and other things that could give you identity

Maybe slightly sidetracked. But the point being if you're in prison, you're going to be end up being identified before you go in. Once you're in, you're likely identifiable to prison staff and police at that point. IRL you'll have an Arrest Summary and Disposal on your PNC record. Your issue was police knew who you were, without you giving the details but if you're within HMP's 4 walls is it reasonable to say you would have been put in there without police knowing who you are? I don't think so.

Adjusting/creating a rule that means you can remain unidentifiable as part of your character at this stage of the justice system firstly doesn't make sense, and just opens up the opportunity for poor balance (as it will just get over used, just like everything else on the server that's 'overdone' or 'overused' that throws things out of balance) in my opinion.

I am 100% supporting your efforts of character avoiding being identified up to the point your arrested, but there is obviously a point between arrest and prison where more would happen IRL to identify you, which is not available in game and some artistic licence needs to be considered on what would happen here.

 

[_Darren]

After my earlier comments and seeing the discussion continue, I am in agreement with @jasonO.

He makes some good points and it would be ruining and delaying the police's RP in situations like this. Yes, it can be abused, but that's where those officers can be reported for doing so for investigation.

Everything does have to be taken with a pinch of salt and police in game provided with another means of identifying people, even if it does seem unfair in the way it sometimes is used.

 

[Nazgul]

Maybe slightly sidetracked. But the point being if you're in prison, you're going to be end up being identified before you go in. Once you're in, you're likely identifiable to prison staff and police at that point. IRL you'll have an Arrest Summary and Disposal on your PNC record. Your issue was police knew who you were, without you giving the details but if you're within HMP's 4 walls is it reasonable to say you would have been put in there without police knowing who you are? I don't think so.

Adjusting/creating a rule that means you can remain unidentifiable as part of your character at this stage of the justice system firstly doesn't make sense, and just opens up the opportunity for poor balance (as it will just get over used, just like everything else on the server that's 'overdone' or 'overused' that throws things out of balance) in my opinion.

I am 100% supporting your efforts of character avoiding being identified up to the point your arrested, but there is obviously a point between arrest and prison where more would happen IRL to identify you, which is not available in game and some artistic licence needs to be considered on what would happen here.

Well I was taken to prison with my name not being known by the police to my knowledge but I know I haven’t told anyone my name. But I can see your argument what needs to happen then is that police are given more equipment to use to identify people ether through phones and bank details what ever they can find on the person that has been detained or arrested but I believe it is wrong for the prison to show your actual character name when no player knows it if your put in prison and have given fake names then you would be under that name in prison if that how it would work in police I was in for a small amount only a prob pc so my knowledge is very limited but is it alright for the police to get your name out of role play through a system that is unintentionally meta gaming. Another point I can argue and agree with power gaming staying anonymous to police it’s not really power gaming to hide your real identity it’s just your style of role play but I can see it as power gaming if you have no other means to identify someone if they give fake names and no ID on them (if that all makes sense) but I think there is a self conclusion to this rule suggest with the valid points already have been put out.

that being police need more equipment and better abilities to identify someone who has no ID on them such as through a phone or anything with a name on it (like in real life)

and the prison needs to be fixed / police rules need to be updated so that this can’t be used to identify someone as it’s out of role play and nothing was done to achieve the identity of said person.

if all that makes sense

 

[Scott]

This post has had no activity, from either players or the staff team, in over four years. Since then, rule suggestions and discussions have moved to Discord. I’m reviewing and processing the older suggestions here so they don’t remain open indefinitely.

I completely agree with the sentiment of this suggestion. If the police exploited an in-game system not intended to identify your character to identify you later, that's unacceptable, and it would be covered under current rules. However, fortunately, what you described is no longer possible today.

The police now use a fingerprint-based system, which they take when a character is taken into custody. This is the main identifier that links a character to their charges and other police interactions. When that character enters prison, their "Sentence" record on the PNC is filed under their fingerprint identifier and has a required "Suspected Name" field. Using this system, the method described using the PNC is no longer possible.

Thank you for raising this suggestion. As this is no longer an issue due to development changes, this suggestion will be rejected.