Mechanics (Kits)

[Scott1994_]

Hello,

I know this subject may bring a lot of debate and hopefully we can find a in-between and find a solution between us.

My suggestion is that Body kits and mechanics kits be removed for anybody to use.

Personally i think it would improve the RP in garages and People that want to play the role as mechanic but from there tow truck. I think the kits should be only used for if you work at a garage or clocked on as mechanic.

I think the only kit people should carry is red at a push to maybe get them to garage

Reason:
- it could improve chases as i do think it's a unfair that when crims are getting chased a police officer may get taken out of the chase as they've hit a civilian car or crashed to where they can just jump out of car and body it and repair it and while crim trying to loose other vehicles, that one can just join back in like nothing happened as it's unrealistic to what a police car going 150 into another car and go in the air for the officers to get out and just repair to rejoin as crims can not do that because when there car broken there another 4 officers behind them and they don't get the opportunity to fix car and go again.

-This would improve the RP for Mechanics or garages as that officer would then have to put a dispatch into mechanics to come and either fix the vehicle or put it on the towing truck and get it back to the garage. I know it's long winded but it's RP and that how mechanics may want to do it, which is fair as they have the right to RP too.

-it's the same for when people fly up the free way hit a local and go really high in sky, to just fix the vehicle and carry on.

-It would also improve RP and give a little more RP to garages as you have to go to them to get a body repair which again makes sense as they have all the parts you'll need to fix it.

We have 5+ garages which im sure will be open for this to happen, as ive seen some open every storm and if they are not you can pop to Los Customs just to get a repair.

It would be nice to hear people thoughts or if they have a adaptions that could work too.

 

[Millie Lang]

-1

Hey!

As someone who's main character has been a mechanic since being on the server, I just don't think this is something that would work.

Realistically, Mechanic kits should just be accessible to Mechanic shops, G6 and emergency services anyway. Crim characters are obviously going to rob others to get them, which is to be expected, but they have always been something that shouldn't be sold on. I know parties have recently been found out to be doing this despite this. You're suggestion just isn't practical.

I could definitely understand if repair times took longer or the repair time vary depending on the Engine/Body health. That is something that would make it a little more realistic.
Also its pretty rare a car gets launched in the air without something bad happening to the driver being launched out at the speeds you're stating.

Garages get a LOT of RP as it is and I don't think the man power is there to have it around the clock. What do you suggest if there are no mechanics about? Going to Los Santos Customs just ruins the whole RP point you were going on about?!

There are definitely minor improvements that could be made the mechanic jobs but as a whole, I think it's pretty good as it is

 

[MissRachie]

-1 from me. Kits are already becoming less and less available through stock changes. NHS/police/fire getting 1 kit each per day isn’t stopping mechanics being able to roleplay IMO. It would however ruin rp for the services. A medic shouldn’t have to stop going to a scene by having to go back to wait for a repair because they can’t fix their own ambulance. Police shouldn’t be out of a chase because their car breaks because a local appeared on the highway infront of them or a crim just has their friends ram them to a stop to get away.

 

[Anne McGee]

-1 speaking as a manager at Otto's and as an NHS/Firefighter worker and helicopter owner.

1. Helicopters often spawn out smoking/damaged or with broken windows. So helicopters and planes will become useless if not just ticking bombs exploding before a mechanic can get there.

2. the amound of hate and frustration that will get pointed to mechanic's in forum's/discord and IC to my employee's because ''I've been waiting hours for you to open shop, you're late, hurry up etc etc. I don't want this to happen to my dear employee's.

3. We have people coming into otto's for full services and MOT's because they CAN and because we advertise and give them quality rp. not because they are forced to.

4. The amount of times I've been rammed into when in a firetruck/ambulance is notable. This would mean NHS would not be able to get to people and people are already actively complaining the ''where the nhs at, i've been laying here hor hours, nhs hurry up'' BS, this will make half the NHS just quit due to community frustrations.

5. ''if they are not you can pop to Los Customs just to get a repair '' If the car has broken down are we expected to just push this for 20 min down the highway?

6. the ooc chat will get flooded with ''Staff no mechanics are open can my car get a fix?''

7. The amount of criminals that will have people ram police with local vehicles so they can get away will result in a city flooded with unusable cop cars, let alone the amount of people that will abandon cars on the road will cause high amounts of lagg cause why get it fixed if they can just grab another local car.

8. ''it's unrealistic to what a police car going 150 into another car and go in the air for the officers to get out and just repair'' you find that unrealistic but would you then also like the NHS to start DNR'ing everyone that get's hit by a car going above 50mph? cause then we need to look at everything that's ''unrealistic''. Keep in mind this is a game and supposed to stay fun. there is nothing keeping the criminal from doing the same.

TBH I would just focus on my business before suggesting HUGE amounts of DEV work.

 

[Alex Ferrari]

-1

Hey!

As someone who's main character has been a mechanic since being on the server, I just don't think this is something that would work.

Realistically, Mechanic kits should just be accessible to Mechanic shops, G6 and emergency services anyway. Crim characters are obviously going to rob others to get them, which is to be expected, but they have always been something that shouldn't be sold on. I know parties have recently been found out to be doing this despite this. You're suggestion just isn't practical.

I could definitely understand if repair times took longer or the repair time vary depending on the Engine/Body health. That is something that would make it a little more realistic.
Also its pretty rare a car gets launched in the air without something bad happening to the driver being launched out at the speeds you're stating.

Garages get a LOT of RP as it is and I don't think the man power is there to have it around the clock. What do you suggest if there are no mechanics about? Going to Los Santos Customs just ruins the whole RP point you were going on about?!

There are definitely minor improvements that could be made the mechanic jobs but as a whole, I think it's pretty good as it is

-1

Millie has covered everything I was gonna say in regards to this.
That’s my Mechanic!


But I’d have to disagree with this, I ain’t a huge fan of this idea sadly

 

[Scott1994_]

-1

Hey!

As someone who's main character has been a mechanic since being on the server, I just don't think this is something that would work.

Realistically, Mechanic kits should just be accessible to Mechanic shops, G6 and emergency services anyway. Crim characters are obviously going to rob others to get them, which is to be expected, but they have always been something that shouldn't be sold on. I know parties have recently been found out to be doing this despite this. You're suggestion just isn't practical.

I could definitely understand if repair times took longer or the repair time vary depending on the Engine/Body health. That is something that would make it a little more realistic.
Also its pretty rare a car gets launched in the air without something bad happening to the driver being launched out at the speeds you're stating.

Garages get a LOT of RP as it is and I don't think the man power is there to have it around the clock. What do you suggest if there are no mechanics about? Going to Los Santos Customs just ruins the whole RP point you were going on about?!

There are definitely minor improvements that could be made the mechanic jobs but as a whole, I think it's pretty good as it is

I totally understand what you're saying, I like your suggestion tbh make them longer depending on how bad the vehicle is, i was also thinking to maybe get more people towing again if was RPing but then i guess if mechanics didn't want to RP that way it would be useless so your suggestion makes more sense.

Big -1 speaking as a manager at Otto's and as an NHS/Firefighter worker and helicopter owner.
1. Helicopters often spawn out smoking/damaged or with broken windows. So helicopters and planes will become useless if not just ticking bombs exploding before a mechanic can get there.

2. the amound of hate and frustration that will get pointed to mechanic's in forum's/discord and IC to my employee's because ''I've been waiting hours for you to open shop, you're late, hurry up etc etc. I will not allow this to happen to my dear employee's.

3. We have people coming into otto's for full services and MOT's because they CAN and because we advertise and give them quality rp. not because they are forced to.

4. The amount of times I've been rammed into when in a firetruck/ambulance is notable. This would mean NHS would not be able to get to people and people are already actively complaining the ''where the nhs at, i've been laying here hor hours, nhs hurry up'' BS, this will make half the NHS just quit due to community frustrations.

5. ''if they are not you can pop to Los Customs just to get a repair '' If the car has broken down are we expected to just push this for 20 min down the highway????

6. the ooc chat will get flooded with ''Staff no mechanics are open can my car get a fix?''

7. The amount of criminals that will have people ram police with local vehicles so they can get away will result in a city flooded with unusable cop cars, let alone the amount of people that will abandon cars on the road will cause high amounts of lagg cause why get it fixed if they can just grab another local car.

8. ''it's unrealistic to what a police car going 150 into another car and go in the air for the officers to get out and just repair'' you find that unrealistic but would you then also like the NHS to start DNR'ing everyone that get's hit by a car going above 50mph? cause then we need to look at everything that's ''unrealistic''. Keep in mind this is a game and supposed to stay fun. there is nothing keeping the criminal from doing the same.

TBH I would just focus on my business before suggesting HUGE amounts of DEV work.

1. Yeah i totally get that and someone mentioned that before.

2. Do to your employee? there is like 4 others mechanics and Los santos but i do understand this.

3. All garages get people coming in for full service and quality RP otherwise why are they doing it?

4. People not stop to make sure your okay after they hit you? that would be the same if didn't have kits. what if you forgot your kits what do you do?

5. could use red repair kit, will give you some help to get there but again if forget that could be a pain too.

6. They do that anyway when need upgrades.

7. Yeah good point but again people do that anyway, i see alot of cars abandoned.

8. agreed a game and no i think if someone has a crash youd put them in ambulance take them to hospital and treat them and if needed DNR depending on injuries you'd do it.

"TBH I would just focus on my business before suggesting HUGE amounts of DEV work" - This aimed at me? or advice for everyone? No was not HUGE amount of work for Dev it was a suggestion and see if anyone had any others could maybe have like millie did which i think good idea and could work tbh, could slow everything down a little

 

[Scott1994_]

-1

Millie has covered everything I was gonna say in regards to this.
That’s my Mechanic!


But I’d have to disagree with this, I ain’t a huge fan of this idea sadly

Tbh i like her idea of maybe not removing things but just adding a longer timer, i think it could help add more RP and slow things down a little for mechanics and the city, to maybe encourage rp

 

[Anne McGee]

I totally understand what you're saying, I like your suggestion tbh make them longer depending on how bad the vehicle is, i was also thinking to maybe get more people towing again if was RPing but then i guess if mechanics didn't want to RP that way it would be useless so your suggestion makes more sense.


1. Yeah i totally get that and someone mentioned that before.

2. Do to your employee? there is like 4 others mechanics and Los santos but i do understand this.

3. All garages get people coming in for full service and quality RP otherwise why are they doing it?

4. People not stop to make sure your okay after they hit you? that would be the same if didn't have kits. what if you forgot your kits what do you do?

5. could use red repair kit, will give you some help to get there but again if forget that could be a pain too.

6. They do that anyway when need upgrades.

7. Yeah good point but again people do that anyway, i see alot of cars abandoned.

8. agreed a game and no i think if someone has a crash youd put them in ambulance take them to hospital and treat them and if needed DNR depending on injuries you'd do it.

"TBH I would just focus on my business before suggesting HUGE amounts of DEV work" - This aimed at me? or advice for everyone? No was not HUGE amount of work for Dev it was a suggestion and see if anyone had any others could maybe have like millie did which i think good idea and could work tbh, could slow everything down a little

most of your replies you are ignoring my points but i'm happy you understand/agree on parts.

For your last comment. I don't appreciate you trying to turn this into a ''Targeting post''. I don't go on forums attacking people, it's positive feedback as this does involve a lot of dev work but if you think it's not that's your opinion and this is mine.

As I can see you are reacting to specific words I use and not to what i'm writing I will not reply further as i've made my points quite clear.

Have a good day.

(ps. i did like milli's idea)

 

[Scott1994_]

most of your replies you are ignoring my points but i'm happy you understand/agree on parts.

For your last comment. I don't appreciate you trying to turn this into a ''Targeting post''. I don't go on forums attacking people, it's positive feedback as this does involve a lot of dev work but if you think it's not that's your opinion and this is mine.

As I can see you are reacting to specific words I use and not to what i'm writing I will not reply further as i've made my points quite clear.

Have a good day.

(ps. i did like milli's idea)

I take all your point and agree with them, i was just asking question, i think you make valid points and that why i think Millie idea would prob work better than mine and I do agree with what you say.

Also was not turning into targeting post just didn't understand what that meant that's all?

what i meant is i do concentrate on my business as i didn't get why it was put that's all, don't think was targeting just dont get what it means or what it was about thats all? Sorry if made you feel that i was accusing you of it, it was just asking what this to me or to everyone as dont understand it

 

[Samuel Shire]

-1 from me. Kits are already becoming less and less available through stock changes. NHS/police/fire getting 1 kit each per day isn’t stopping mechanics being able to roleplay IMO. It would however ruin rp for the services. A medic shouldn’t have to stop going to a scene by having to go back to wait for a repair because they can’t fix their own ambulance. Police shouldn’t be out of a chase because their car breaks because a local appeared on the highway infront of them or a crim just has their friends ram them to a stop to get away.

I slightly disagree with this one only as if it's a police pursuit and one for the cars breaks down it probably should stay down for a while same for the Crim also, if a car is nicked out a other can always join surely?

And ambulance I'm 50/50 it would be a pain in the arse for the few NHS who are active but would make more of a RP sense that the paramedic won't be fixing the engine on the side of the road haha, but that's why the 50/50 as it could slow them down

I can recall when I first setup doing towing back in 2021 I often used to get callous to ambulance for repairs

 

[Samuel Shire]

Also also people still have the red kits which are useable for all ofcourse

Personally id prefer the mechanic and body being locked into that radious around AE and Benny for mechanic stuff like checking individual parts on the car, and as for Otto and flywheels that area could be added in

Bring back tyre repair kits then have them offered to the public like that then the public can use red kits and tyre kits (basically like a spare tyre) and go to the mechanics for full repairs and such

 

[Scott1994_]

I slightly disagree with this one only as if it's a police pursuit and one for the cars breaks down it probably should stay down for a while same for the Crim also, if a car is nicked out a other can always join surely?

And ambulance I'm 50/50 it would be a pain in the arse for the few NHS who are active but would make more of a RP sense that the paramedic won't be fixing the engine on the side of the road haha, but that's why the 50/50 as it could slow them down

I can recall when I first setup doing towing back in 2021 I often used to get callous to ambulance for repairs

I agree with you as sometimes in pursuit we have to tell unit to back of as we have to many in that pursuit and yeah im same i get NHS 50/50 especially with sometimes they can be low on numbers

 

[Scott1994_]

Also also people still have the red kits which are useable for all ofcourse

Personally id prefer the mechanic and body being locked into that radious around AE and Benny for mechanic stuff like checking individual parts on the car, and as for Otto and flywheels that area could be added in

Bring back tyre repair kits then have them offered to the public like that then the public can use red kits and tyre kits (basically like a spare tyre) and go to the mechanics for full repairs and such

Yeah or the rule is if mechanics is open you shouldnt be using kits and they still there just incase we aint

 

[Samuel Shire]

Yeah or the rule is if mechanics is open you shouldnt be using kits and they still there just incase we aint

Your issue here tho is that by letting people still hold onto them then going if we're closed then that's cool you would then have to hope the player is checking the status of all the shops all the time, for your idea to work it's pretty much all or nothing

 

[Scott1994_]

Your issue here tho is that by letting people still hold onto them then going if we're closed then that's cool you would then have to hope the player is checking the status of all the shops all the time, for your idea to work it's pretty much all or nothing

Yeah i get that to , it prob be difficult.

 

[Lockness]

I think a way it could be changed is making mech and body kits harder to use when you aren't clocked in as a mechanic therefore more people break kits and are pushed towards using a mechanic shop. I.e. something like the minigame having more stages or being faster.

I mean tbf there is a rule which is intended to stop everyone just fixing their own car (G5.2 believable character roles) but people rarely go down a single path for their character and often start by doing mechanic jobs - therefore the rule doesn't take effect.

Personally I don't think a change needs to be made as I agree with Millies points about the current state of kits and who gets them. Criminals can get them by robbing Mechanics, mechanics can get them by working for mechanic shops and emergency services get them off of mechanic shops. Not a bad system and the rp for mechanic shops is still fairly popping gotta say. I think what mechanic shops provide is the proper experience of a mechanic shop, and there is a large amount of people who appreciate that, so they will get a service and happily wait the extra time to get that sweet rp (input the time I installed windows xp into Brett's car)

 

[Scott1994_]

I think a way it could be changed is making mech and body kits harder to use when you aren't clocked in as a mechanic therefore more people break kits and are pushed towards using a mechanic shop. I.e. something like the minigame having more stages or being faster.

I mean tbf there is a rule which is intended to stop everyone just fixing their own car (G5.2 believable character roles) but people rarely go down a single path for their character and often start by doing mechanic jobs - therefore the rule doesn't take effect.

Personally I don't think a change needs to be made as I agree with Millies points about the current state of kits and who gets them. Criminals can get them by robbing Mechanics, mechanics can get them by working for mechanic shops and emergency services get them off of mechanic shops. Not a bad system and the rp for mechanic shops is still fairly popping gotta say. I think what mechanic shops provide is the proper experience of a mechanic shop, and there is a large amount of people who appreciate that, so they will get a service and happily wait the extra time to get that sweet rp (input the time I installed windows xp into Brett's car)

I like your added bit to the idea to make it harder for people who are not logged on as mechanics.

Unfortunately not everyone like Brett and you who want to RP as you’ll know yourself some people are impatient and just want the fix and gone so your idea could help and so could Millie of slowing door the repairs could encourage the RP

 

[Lockness]

Yeah, I've had the people who want a quick fix, I've had people who want the full works and I've had people around the middle. While I love providing quality mechanic rp, it's not what everyone wants all the time. Alot of people want the quick fix so they can speed off and continue their day - but tbf it is similar to what the NHS suffer with, where people don't want their RP as much as they want the end result - for them it's being back up and running about and for us it's a fully fixed car.

While I don't think your changes would be feasible and my suggestion is probably not the best as it could easily fuck over emergency services who have relied on their dailys working consistently - I do think discussions into the overall changes to the way mechanic rp works is useful

I'd argue too that if you want to stop people being able to just fix their car whenever then limit the access to bodykits within rp as it's more unrealistic that someone can just put all new tires/doors/windows on in the blink of an eye - I wouldn't be against this yknow but it feels more like an in rp decision made by the mech shops that do sell bodykits

 

[Scott1994_]

Totally agree with everything you’ve said and understand it and it is finding middle ground.

I do think not selling body kits would be good and keep mechanic kits to get to garages and government and G6 have bob if no one around and cocos about los Santos for repair as cheap but again it’s middle ground and making it okay for everyone

 

[Stavik]

Hey, Stavik here. Destroyer of Powdered Mill AND Mechanic Kits.

These things have somewhat been left alone for some time for people to get used to - When you have about 2-3 million kits ready to be ordered and its intent gone away with the days/months/years passing, it will cause some issues down the line.

The line is currently that mech shops that have the ability to repair and «edit» vehicles will always be able to order them. Selling to factions and or in general overuse will challenge the restock and availability.

Start ups like ottos, flywheels and others will be able to negotiate terms with the mech shops and warehouse on a contract basis. If the conditions and breached, you loose that ability and later maybe any customers.

There could be more changes in the future but we’ll see. We are at a nice little point now.