Killed with no RP, vehicle chopped (Completed 24/03/2015)

[Jak032]

In-game name: Jak

Your Steam ID (copy from your Arma 3 or steam profile): STEAM_0:0:24060018

 

What was lost: MX, RCO & Sound Suppressor. Tempest Device was scrapped as a result as well. 

Value of item/money lost ( Provide the grand total): MX and attachments - £81,000 (donation vendor) + Tempest Device - £450,000 = £531,000

Quick description of what happened:

Another player was killed and robbed of his vehicle by the gun store after minimal RP. I jump out of my vehicle to avoid getting robbed/shot at as well. Find myself in a situation where 2 of the hijackers are closing in on me and initiate combat upon me after saying nothing to me. I fire just as I die as they have already initiated combat upon other players. They do not know who I am and kill me with no communication whatsoever.
 
In summary: I was attacked by 2 players who had no idea who I was. I assume they just wanted to rob me but provided absolutely no RP before gunning me down, taking my weapon and chopping my vehicle.
 
Extra note: I aim down my sight multiple times in the video to compensate for no binoculars in my inventory, I do not fire a single shot until I am killed.
 
 

 

[Dubious Penguin]

My friends were in a chopper and tracked your trucks, when I arrived they stated they had started rp, I'm in the truck driving around. See you running around with a gun. I don't feel like getting shot so I move in to see what's up. I crawl towards you from behind the wall, I see you crawling also. You're aiming a gun in my direction so I take my shot and kill you, binoculars or no binoculars, how should I know?

If your trying to avoid getting robbed/ shot at aswell, don't stay in the area walking around with you gun out, creeping in bushes and whatnot with your team talking about the situation, just drive away.

Now I don't know about the quality of Rp at the gun store as I arrived late, but when I arrive and am told and see you creeping around with a gun right next to the situation it doesnt exactly scream 'hey I'm friendly and not involved'. Maybe if you don't want to get shot put your gun in your bag or in your vehicle and you won't be seen as a threat.

As in a police complaints commission case last week, someone was creeping around with a gun when the police came to arrest there friends at the coke processor, he was shot as in an Rp situation that has already been initiated, a man creeping around with a gun is bad news and seen as a threat.

Lastly if you look at you bullet counter when you died you'll see it is ambiguous as to who shot first as you also shoot at me

Sorry it had to go this way.

 

[Jak032]

I guess I see your point. I'm not holding any grudges as the RP/RDM rule seems to be a very grey area, especially when it's a clusterfuck of a situation such as this one. I didn't really know how to react to the situation. I was never going to holster my vehicle as there were already 2 counts of hijacking (or attempted hijacking). I saw the 2 guys flanking me also with weapons out. I probably should have just booked it there back to my vehicle and got the hell out of there, but I was on edge at the possible fact the hand gun store area was still not clear. I was waiting for some form of communication and would've happily RP'd the hold-up situation (if that is what you were aiming to do).

Just to clear it up; in this situation, is RP already initiated then? Even though there's no way of knowing if I am or am not affiliated with the two other players who have been targeted for the hijacks? 

EDIT: As to who shot first, I go from 100% HP to 30-something and still have a full magazine.

 

[Sephirdorf]

My friends were in a chopper and tracked your trucks, when I arrived they stated they had started rp,

I was the person in question (front-most truck) who was the victim of the "started role play" at the store. You can hear me in the video saying your friend "said put your hands up and just shot me".

I was repairing a vehicle as i accidentally crashed into a car there, as I drive like Helen Keller, when I heard your friend saying to surrender, but the instant I look around to hear where this is coming from and to see whom it was addressed to (there were at least 4 people there) he opens fire and just murders me and sends my own device to the chop shop, followed by Jak's untimely demise and subsequent chopping.

We aren't salty about what occurred and made no attempt to private message you lot OOC as we do not hold a grudge at all, but the request was made here by Jak just because, as what he heard me say in the video chat, it did look like an RDM encounter (i'm not saying it is, just that it looked like one) as in my eyes there was no opportunity for me to surrender considering your friend just went for the kill anyway. I didn't say a single word to your fellow gang-member before he shot me, so the apparent roleplay was incredibly weak, if practically non-existant.

I was completely harmless in the repair animation (but did have a katiba rifle) immediately before my death, and he at such close range should have been able to clearly see me repairing.

Please, if a person doesn't respond to voice, give a courtesy shot just to help ensure clarification when in scenarios like this as I'm poor now without a device to my name.

 

[Dubious Penguin]

Fair enough, I wouldn't really know about what happened there, I arrived well after. Sorry for the being so defensive, I'm just used to people trying to put the final nail in others coffins. Next time if you wanted the trucks back your friends could have messaged one of the drivers saying you they were using the radio system or something of the like and he might have some remorse. I wasn't at the original scene so I can't really speculate on the situation other than what I was told. From the looks of the video the comp request was for the situation I was in. Soz bro

 

[Glennsdale]

The Idea of Rp is to pretend its a real life situation, a situation had already started when the robbery/ incident had started at the handgun store, If this was real life and you had entered combat during a situation you wouldn't run up to some one lying in a field holding a assault rifle and go "Drop the assault rifle" because in that split second you could be killed, penguin was in fact Rping by valuing his life. Secondly you were in possession of a illegal fire arm in the green territory. most police would have opened fire on you in that situation as well - perhaps with rubber bullets, but they would not engage rp with you while you are lying in a field holding a assault rifle with it aimed at them, they would probably shoot you with rubber / live ammunition.

Should you have wished there to be a rp situation it was you who should have engaged with simply "Dont shoot"

Unfortunately altis life can be a stressful game and Its easy to rage at it, Dont just cry wolf.

 

[Jak032]

I wouldn't say it's "crying wolf" when the initial "RP" is someone killing another player who is clearly repairing their vehicle after giving them a "hands up" command half a second before.

I wouldn't post here if I felt I didn't have a case. The entire situation started with absolute minimal RP by a gang out to rob as many players as possible. It's supposed to be a heavily RP based server. Having a 0.5 second delay between "put your hands up" and shooting someone who is in the 'repair vehicle' animation is not proper RP.

I honestly don't see how what police would've have done in the situation is relevant either. Being in a combat zone between police & fugitives is completely different from a gang trying to hijack players.

 

penguin was in fact Rping by valuing his life. 

I'm pretty sure everyone RP's valuing their life, mate.

If they knew my position, they should have also known that I had not opened fire upon anyone either. They had the cover and were in a 2v1 situation. I really fail to grasp how they can't initiate RP with me there.

They've started RP (or their version of RP) with another player, but not with me. The only way to know if we were associated in any way would be by checking the gang-tag, a form of metagaming.

 

[Dubious Penguin]

Man with gun aiming barrel at me= threat

It's really not that hard to grasp that a group of trucks together are with each other, especially when a robbery was taking place less than a 100 metres away and when another truck stops and the person takes a gun out.

In no way did I metagame you

I arrived late so I didn't see the initial robbery but was informed fully of the situation

Also in your video when it says, 'two hijackers move in on me' you're clearly crawling towards me with rifle aiming at my vicinity, lack of binos or not.

The other guy wasn't moving in on you either, it was just me if I can remember. He was a tad bit lost behind but would've helped if he realised.

sorry didn't see your comment earlier jak, forgot to scroll up past sephirdorfs, but I definitely would consider the situation initialised.

I get what you're saying about the initial robbery with your friend getting shot but the video doesn't really prove or disprove any of that.

Ps. I like how this has stayed mature up to now, it's a phenomena!

 

[Jak032]

Yeah, I can appreciate the fact I had my gun out. Like I said in one of the original posts, I'm not holding any grudges at all. I'll leave it up to the admins and just see what happens. It's been a week now so I'd rather just get it over with (regardless of the outcome).

 

[Wilco]

These situations without a video from the other side are always going to be hard work.... youve had a chat about it and thats always good to see...

On this occasion i have compensated.

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