Important Update to Treasury Protocol

[Mycaelis]

your right but the pretense of the server is a serious roleplay server.

And serious role play = real life..? I'm not so sure...

I'm still pretty sure that this is a game, that is ALWAYS going to have some inconsistencies from real life..

You know, like 75% of the game.

 

[FriendlyFireGuy]

I like this. Negotiating is great fun, more fun than dying!

 

[Imstyle]

can we please bring in a bank cooldown period, we have had group of people who attempted to rob the bank today and failed but some got away, 5 mins later,there back at the bank trying it again

 

[PrincessJake]

can we please bring in a bank cooldown period, we have had group of people who attempted to rob the bank today and failed but some got away, 5 mins later,there back at the bank trying it again

It was about 20 mins.

 

[PaulS]

can we please bring in a bank cooldown period, we have had group of people who attempted to rob the bank today and failed but some got away, 5 mins later,there back at the bank trying it again

The reason we did it again when our NLR btoke (20 minutes later not 5) was because we didn't know this rule was in place and in future when a rule like this happens it should be linked to all the gang leaders because none of us had any idea this was a rule and it's only had 22 comments on it so not a lot of people have seen this. I check the forums a lot and never noticed this. Most of us were standing about in the bank with our guns on our backs waiting for a negotiator too

 

[Anonymous Eagle]

The reason we did it again when our NLR btoke (20 minutes later not 5) was because we didn't know this rule was in place and in future when a rule like this happens it should be linked to all the gang leaders because none of us had any idea this was a rule and it's only had 22 comments on it so not a lot of people have seen this. I check the forums a lot and never noticed this. Most of us were standing about in the bank with our guns on our backs waiting for a negotiator too

thats all fair enough but i can't help but notice that TI knew about the police hostage rule that was announced moments before this one was

 

[PaulS]

thats all fair enough but i can't help but notice that TI knew about the police hostage rule that was announced moments before this one was

More like Ben knew about it because it got leaked to him *cough* *cough* 4 days ago and he has been wanking over the idea ever since

 

[Jamie]

The reason we did it again when our NLR btoke (20 minutes later not 5) was because we didn't know this rule was in place and in future when a rule like this happens it should be linked to all the gang leaders because none of us had any idea this was a rule and it's only had 22 comments on it so not a lot of people have seen this. I check the forums a lot and never noticed this. Most of us were standing about in the bank with our guns on our backs waiting for a negotiator too

Im pretty sure its not a rule you can do the bank as much as you like unless i read something wrong SPC James just wanted to add a cooldown on it.

 

[puppy1004]

Does this mean that rebels can also shoot cops on sight when charges has been placed? Becaue cops will do the same. I think its a yes but just want to make sure.

 

[louislucifer]

Honestly it just gives the police total control of the situation as i found out today. They choose the amount you take even though you have the leverage. They then reserve the right to storm the treasury with a complete disrespect for the hostages lives. Today when we set the bomb off not only did they rush the treasury despite the negotiations being completed prior to the explosion but they left me - the hostage guard- alone with the hostages for execution for a full minute. Thats poor rp if they can just rush you without taking the hostages into consideration in my opinion.

 

[Superhitmandan]

Does this mean that rebels can also shoot cops on sight when charges has been placed? Becaue cops will do the same. I think its a yes but just want to make sure.

  I wonder the same thing. Wouldnt be right or fair in the slightest if rebels cant. But noone had really clarified it.

would suck if the bomb goes off. Rebel kills cop = rdm but if bomb goes off. Cop kills rebel = gg ... not right if it were like that.

Honestly it just gives the police total control of the situation as i found out today. They choose the amount you take even though you have the leverage. They then reserve the right to storm the treasury with a complete disrespect for the hostages lives. Today when we set the bomb off not only did they rush the treasury despite the negotiations being completed prior to the explosion but they left me - the hostage guard- alone with the hostages for execution for a full minute. Thats poor rp if they can just rush you without taking the hostages into consideration in my opinion.

Same story of cops valuing winning over lives which they claim to value above all else. Never goes down like that lol

 

[William carter]

Can't agree more with you this is to favor the cops more like it makes me not want to do HM anymore. -25 for the change

 

[DainMK]

This change to protocol was implemented in order to increase RP when performing Treasury Operations. I believe when it comes to a rebel organisation blowing open one of Her Majesties vaults, police should have increased control over the situation. This is meant to force rebels into thinking outside the box, rather than just issuing the old 'All cops seen within 1km of the bank will be shot on sight' bullshit. This is an RP server, and whenever I hear about those messages going out I would be in favour of police and PRNA making sure nobody leaves alive. Why send out a message like that unless you dislike roleplay opportunities?

With regards to 'letting the cops know', you have 3 options.

Option 1 - Let the alarm go off and notifications sent from breaking down doors. This will cause confusion for the police, as they do not know specific intentions. They will more than likely approach with caution, send in the obligatory negotiator, and set up AR.

Option 2 - Call the cops and request a negotiator. This shows you are at least half interested in roleplay. If you like to make plans, or just be successful in your operations, this would be the logical choice in order to 'win' (not lose).

Option 3 - Send out the classic 'Cops will be shot on site' RP announcement. Police will of course engage full force, and PRNA will more than likely be called in also.

 
Valid points have been raised about police valuing hostages lives, and I will see what I can do in regards to that. However, when gangs use their own members as hostages, I can appreciate why cops don't want to play with that.
 
Also with regards to RDM, once the bank job has started, roleplay has been initiated, and RDM rules are relaxed a little. Unfortunately due to the dynamic nature of these situations, and the countless possible approaches both sides can take, I can't set down universal rules to follow here, perhaps @Wilco would be able to express his opinion. Of course if you just shoot the negotiator in the face without warning, you can expect to be punished, the same goes for the police (so long as no immediate and direct threat is posed to yourselves, them, or hostages). Before shots are fired there should always be a verbal exchange expressing that the situation has reached a point where gunfire is necessary. Even if this is just 'these negotiations are over' or 'pull back those officers or we will open fire'. Roleplay everything and there shouldn't be trouble.
 
As always I expect individuals will have comments or questions. Post them, and I'll do my best to respond accurately. 

 

[Sauce!]

Here is my simple problem with the Treasury. This may come off as a bit ranty, but it is not meant to be...

What criminal in their right mind would just call up the police and be like, Yo we robbing the bank, you wanna come set up around us and talk about it? Robbers dont do this. They dont just negotiate with the cops. That is rather stupid for the robber, unless he had hostages (which the following response is assuming the robber has no hostage). I wish there wasnt a "the bomb has been planted" signal sent out to the cops. I wish, whenever I cut the cams, I cut all signals from the Treasury, and a cop would have to notice it, either on patrol, or while checking the cams and seeing that they have been cut and turning them back on and spotting us). I hate when my gang and I try to do the treasury as what we believe is best in RP (Quick and Silent, however deaths always ensue) the cops show up, w/in two minutes due to them getting a signal from a place I cut the feed from.  I feel as though it isnt very realistic that the cops get a message that a bomb has been planted, when the comms/cams are cut from the treasury.

And again, If i was robbing a bank, I would never negotiate with the police, odds are (irl) you would immediately be shot/arrested. If I wanted to Rob a bank, I would cut the cams, plant the bomb, fill the trucks as fast as possible and get out of there as soon as possible. I dont necessarily agree with the whole "All cops seen within x km will be shot" I truly dont. But I also dont agree with calling a negotiator. As I feel that isnt true RP (RP as in reflecting real life). I hate it coming to this, but I think it should be, (and it pretty much already is) Bomb planted = No negotiations (which is already a thing) and cops in the area (including the common hills they snipe from) can be shot on sight w/o the stupid text.

I dont do the job for the killing, nor to talk to cops. I do it for the fat payday (if successful). The treasury is a GREAT thing to have, however with this server being an RP server, It is very hard to want to RP it, due to irl, Id do as what i said above. I love the bank, and I love RP. However as Ive said before, the bank job is just tough to pull off (as it should be) When you RP it in the way of calling the cops and letting them know "Oh hey, call the PRNA, I'm gonna rob the bank"

Sorry if this seems like a rant, it is intended to be constructive and my POV on it. And remember this is all assuming that the gang/robbers of the Treasury does NOT have any hostages, in which case, negotiations are the best RP situation.  Sorry for the hard to read response, rather tired. But cheers and see y'all in game.

-Sauce

 

[Vladic Ka]

@Sauce! Everything we put on the server (apart from the red zone) is for RP and not for making a "fat payday" and from your first paragraph asking for an instant win button on the treasury just to make money I dont know if you get that. 

You are wrong about how robberies in RL work in the UK when you say people get instantly shot while robbing a bank. RL police have strict Rules Of Engagement and can only open fire (with single controlled shots) if the person they are shooting is an immediate threat to life so they do tend to send in a negotiator to protect the lifes of any of the robbers and even the robbers from harming themself.

The way I see it there are more than the 120 people who you can physically see on the server at any time. You would have staff, security guards and passers by who could alert the police of illegal activities.

Before I was an admin me and a few of the guys I played with used to RP with the NPC's! I have not seen that a lot nowadays and I do spectate a LOT of different people.

 

[Sauce!]

@Vladic, I am not asking for a instant win. If it came off that way I apologize. And I realize everything on the server is meant for  RP, that is why we are all here of course. Everyone RPs differently, At the end of the day I RP as a criminal making illegal money, who truly prefers stealth over assault.

And I am from the US, Never been to UK and never heard about specifics of bank robberies there. Here, robbers use stealth and killing to get their money, generally. I have never heard of true negotiations, where agreements have been made. Only negotiations that just stall for the SWAT sniper to shoot the man.  And yes ik this Is a UK server, I simply RP with the knowledge and experiences I have learned about or have personally gained in my lifetime.

And on the staff part - That would be a great implementation, to have NPCs at the treasury, That can be threatened and such and could set off an alarm and there could be endless possibilities., and Yes there could be passers by who could see us. There are a great many circumstances that could occur. I am simply stating  in a PERFECT heist, it would be nice if the stealth and such would pay off. I am just simply giving my opinion. Trying to be constructive.

And at then end of the day, it is nothing but a game. Sorry that it came off as me wanting an "instant win button." Was just simply giving my thoughts.

See you in Altis

-Sauce