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Important Update to Treasury Protocol

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DainMK

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This is an important communiqué directed mainly towards rebel groups that participate in Treasury heist scenarios.​
 
The breakdown (or just straight up lack) of RP has always been a point of frustration for both rebels and cops involved in these situations. When the charge is placed and the clock counting down, it creates unease with regards to rebels true intentions. As such, the police are implementing a new approach.
 
As of Saturday 28/02/2015, as soon as explosive charges are placed on the vault, police will consider this and end to negotiations, withdraw the designated negotiator, and engage in combat as necessary.
 
The reason this change has come about is because typically (not always) negotiations during the charge countdown have just been a stalling tactic. It allows the rebels to spot police, safely take positions, and ultimately attempt to escape with all the gold.
 
With the new approach, I would like to think that more focus will be placed on the negotiations themselves.
 
This implementation gives both rebels and police certain assurances. So long as a charge is not placed, the situation should not turn hostile. It creates a beautiful 'buffer' time for genuine negotiations to take place, with trust from the police that it will not degenerate into the usual mayhem. Depending on negotiations, charges may be placed, and the agreed upon amount removed.
 
Of course those who choose to message the police 'All officers seen within x distance will be shot' will be engaged as usual, but I would like to think that this 'tactic' is viewed as cheap RP, and not become a more common situation. 
 
I expect the community to respect this decision, and appreciate that it is an opportunity to carry out RP in good faith that they will not be engaged unnecessarily. Consider it a safe time where both parties can comfortably trust each other.
 
Now, I know you guys too well by now, and I'm certain that after reading this you're raring to post your opinions below. I encourage it, and of course will listen to all your feedback. All I ask is you keep things constructive and friendly.
 
DainMK (Don't shoot the messenger) 
 
It's a lot better for the RP, as a officer myself I know the frustration when that bang goes off and smoke goes into the air.

-Vixxy ;)

 
Nice I like it,
The only issue i see is that we get a lot of false flags with the cameras as it can just be a hobo and a pistol that sets off our warning message.

To address this I would recommend the robbers send an emergency services message to the police to confirm that they are serious and willing to negotiate.
We wouldn't want you sitting around waiting for RP when people get lazy and assume it's just a false alarm.

 
How is this going to work? If we bring hostages as rebels, you're going to allow us to open the vault to keep them alive, or open the vault for us?

 
I Will personally Trade Marmite for Hostages Live only with the Marmite Miners...

 
I'm not sure if this is a suitable offer, I mean Marmite is pretty valuable stuff..

we'll need a whole lotta hostages...

 
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Finally Im glad something like this has gone into place so these big gangs dont just do shoot shoot shoot all the time..

You should really look at something for the HM Treasury to prevent people constantly doing it. I can't imagine it being particularly fun for the police when they have to constantly respond to HM Treasury calls every 45 minutes / hour..

Would you maybe consider increasing the amount of time inbetween robberies? Or even deduct the value of gold if it is robbed more than once in 4 hours... 1/2 it or something..

Just a suggestion but it would be great.

Cheers.

 
DylanS said:
Finally Im glad something like this has gone into place so these big gangs dont just do shoot shoot shoot all the time..
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Just saying from experience, In the 7-8 Bank OPs I have taken part in. Only once were we the ones to open fire/call off negotiations. Please do not group all of the rebel gangs together as one...

 
DylanS said:
Finally Im glad something like this has gone into place so these big gangs dont just do shoot shoot shoot all the time..

You should really look at something for the HM Treasury to prevent people constantly doing it. I can't imagine it being particularly fun for the police when they have to constantly respond to HM Treasury calls every 45 minutes / hour..

Would you maybe consider increasing the amount of time inbetween robberies? Or even deduct the value of gold if it is robbed more than once in 4 hours... 1/2 it or something..

Just a suggestion but it would be great.

Cheers.
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this.

Once I had to deal with over 9 robberies during 4 hours, which is ALOT

 
I expect each situation to pan out very differently with this introduction. Personally I would expect rebels to still bring the charge, and subject to successful negotiation, be authorised to place it (perhaps even an explosives trained officer could be given the job  :p ). The possibilities are endless. Presuming authorisation has been given to place it, I would like to think that those 5 minutes can be a chance for the Police/Rebels to catch up on recent events, talk about the weather, or perhaps have a little 5 a side match while they wait. 

I can't speak with authority on the matter, but certain officers may be able to open the vault, but how on earth they would know the codes I have no idea. You would have to ask an officer about that.

Thanks for the pleasant responses so far guys. While we're at it, take a look if you feel this change isn't great for rebels.

 
Jimmyy said:
Just saying from experience, In the 7-8 Bank OPs I have taken part in. Only once were we the ones to open fire/call off negotiations. Please do not group all of the rebel gangs together as one...
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My apologies..

I've not been here long, and in the time I've been here I've witnessed 10 - 12 robberies.. all 12 there were gun shots straight after they were done with the negotiations.

EDIT: and they were some of the top gangs in the server..

I didn't mean that all the big gangs did it, so apologies if I didn't proof read before I posted..

 
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Edgar Ville said:
Nice I like it,

The only issue i see is that we get a lot of false flags with the cameras as it can just be a hobo and a pistol that sets off our warning message.

To address this I would recommend the robbers send an emergency services message to the police to confirm that they are serious and willing to negotiate.

We wouldn't want you sitting around waiting for RP when people get lazy and assume it's just a false alarm.
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Edgar Ville said:
Nice I like it,

The only issue i see is that we get a lot of false flags with the cameras as it can just be a hobo and a pistol that sets off our warning message.

To address this I would recommend the robbers send an emergency services message to the police to confirm that they are serious and willing to negotiate.

We wouldn't want you sitting around waiting for RP when people get lazy and assume it's just a false alarm.
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Im sorry to say i disagree with your suggestion. When irl would a heist group contact the boys in blue just to let them know they are serious?
Does this mean that if cameras are disabled and the only notification police have is the charge placement. When police arrive its open killing cop season? As from the sounds of it. Thats what i can see happening.

Reason i ask is because if i do a treasury op. I dont want to place the charge. Kill incoming cops and be banned for rdm because a cop doesnt agree and reports it. I hope you all understand my meaning

 
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BG Superhitmandan said:
Im sorry to say i disagree with your suggestion. When irl would a heist group contact the boys in blue just to let them know they are serious?

Does this mean that if cameras are disabled and the only notification police have is the charge placement. When police arrive its open killing cop season? As from the sounds of it. Thats what i can see happening.

Reason i ask is because if i do a treasury op. I dont want to place the charge. Kill incoming cops and be banned for rdm because a cop doesnt agree and reports it. I hope you all understand my meaning
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When we've done the treasury, we've always called the police and said to them 'We are at the HM Treausury. Requesting a hostage negotiator'. Better to be safe than sorry if you ask me.

 
@DainMK

Thanks for the announcement mate.

I kind of like this model, as both a rebel and a lowly CSO (even though all I can do is watch and dodge bullets).

I think bank jobs had kind of lost their RP element, and cops who came across someone who did want to role play a bank job usually we're so fed up for the 10 previous robberies being shoot-outs that they came in guns blazing.

This model gives a clear expectation from both sides. No more ambiguity, I like it.

 
DylanS said:
When we've done the treasury, we've always called the police and said to them 'We are at the HM Treausury. Requesting a hostage negotiator'. Better to be safe than sorry if you ask me.
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You may do that mate but in reality a robber isnt going to let the authorities know they are going to rob anywhere.

 
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