Important question regarding no scroll wheel

[Hoggie]

It's something to do with the Eden update, and was not intentionally done.

I know it came out with Eden , i mean know you get VDMed, you dunno who it was by , you cant ask choppers to leave without them feeling scared and telling there friends too snipe you.

My new suggestion ( on the suggestion page)

 

[PeachMaster]

I'm trying to keep the game mods as active as possible at this time as well as some other members of the administration.

Please be patient whilst things are being worked out. 

It is a lot nicer in the server, I can actually feel how much I've been metagamed now which Is quite sad, as people are treating me VERY differently now.

Ill still treat you as a my CSO on the first day on the job with screaming kids in the background, good old days. 

 

[Rossss]

This.

I know cops will have a hard time but to be honest, rebels just shoot warning rounds and cops could do the same. I also know this might get some cop procedures not going so well, but i've been looking for a way to end with the mouse wheel for ages, this might be a big step, we will see.

I'm confused... We can shoot tracers at an aircraft as "warning shots" but this is technically against the rules...

(2.2) RDM - Random Death Match Definition: Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban)

 

[Mr Cardoso]

I'm confused... We can shoot tracers at an aircraft as "warning shots" but this is technically against the rules...

(2.2) RDM - Random Death Match Definition: Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban)

Ross, how do you engage a form of quality role play if you can't tell who's flying the chopper? Before you could message the pilot.

I'm not saying we should shoot, i'm saying i want this anti-metagaming tool to stay.

 

[Fuel]

I'm confused... We can shoot tracers at an aircraft as "warning shots" but this is technically against the rules...

(2.2) RDM - Random Death Match Definition: Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban)

Ross, how do you engage a form of quality role play if you can't tell who's flying the chopper? Before you could message the pilot.

I'm not saying we should shoot, i'm saying i want this anti-metagaming tool to stay.

Regards to this, the warning shots are not at the heli, as that would be RDM, warning shots are to be infront of the heli so they can see them go past, so it is not a breach of rules, as the rule states "Shooting At Someone" infront of them is not at them.

 

[Rossss]

Ross, how do you engage a form of quality role play if you can't tell who's flying the chopper? Before you could message the pilot.

I'm not saying we should shoot, i'm saying i want this anti-metagaming tool to stay.

So, to confirm there are no 'Warning shots' or 'radio calls'?

 

[Mr Cardoso]

So, to confirm there are no 'Warning shots' or 'radio calls'?

Read Fuel's reply, as for the new stuff we need to find ways to help players role play things.

 

[Dylan]

On KOTH you can press Windows key to see player names - Could it not be the same for just the driver of helis?

 

[Mr Cardoso]

On KOTH you can press Windows key to see player names - Could it not be the same for just the driver of helis?

What stops people from using it all the time to metagame tho? :/

In my perfect world, no name tags or scroll wheel would be on, this would increase the role play 300%.. but it opens ways for people to abuse so it's a double-edged sword.

We will try to discuss some ideas, but feel free guys to post more. 

 

[Dylan]

What stops people from using it all the time to metagame tho? :/

In my perfect world, no name tags or scroll wheel would be on, this would increase the role play 300%.. but it opens ways for people to abuse so it's a double-edged sword.

We will try to discuss some ideas, but feel free guys to post more. 

Without trying to sound like the cops are all perfect, would police not be able to have a windows key (One which civilians would not have) specifically targetting drivers of helicopters, to then get their name or a long range windows key when they have binos out or something, idk.

 

[Hoggie]

would be easier to point at chopper, press a "hotkey" and it "hint" them a predefined message

Perfect idea , like its hard to ask choppers to leave without trigger happy rebels going im taking shots and killing everyone

 

[Thomas Shelby]

So, to confirm there are no 'Warning shots' or 'radio calls'?

Warning shots are not breaking the RDM rule. You shoot 50-100m infront of them so they see/hear the tracer round go past and they know to leave the airspace. You're not aiming at them or trying to harm them or their vehicle.

OT: I'm loving it post update, everything from the new font to this no scroll wheeling. The only problems have already been outlined and fixed can be made. Long term this should improve roleplay dramatically.

 

[BennyBait]

What stops people from using it all the time to metagame tho? :/

In my perfect world, no name tags or scroll wheel would be on, this would increase the role play 300%.. but it opens ways for people to abuse so it's a double-edged sword.

We will try to discuss some ideas, but feel free guys to post more. 

You still seem to forget that its very hard to report someone now. Yes in a perfect world the metagame is not necessary, but this isn't a perfect world as shown by the many many forum posts in report a player.

 

[SolomoNn]

me and several officers got vdm'ed in kavala by hobos with offroads and gokarts and couldn't get the name, 10/10 would do that again.

 

[Hoggie]

me and several officers got vdm'ed in kavala by hobos with offroads and gokarts and couldn't get the name, 10/10 would do that again.

Gonna just have to go fully automatic into there tires and when the jump out mate. When there in restraints you will see there name and then you can report them

 

[SolomoNn]

Gonna just have to go fully automatic into there tires and when the jump out mate. When there in restraints you will see there name and then you can report them

he just came with a hatch sport with 150 km/h vdm'ed us and  left asap and we stayed on the ground around 10 seconds..

 

[Stavik]

Let the highest ranking officer send a msg to all "air traffic". Posing as Altis Air Traffic Control.

Giving detail about the chopper. So he knows its him. 1 st warning.

2ND warning is tracers close to the airborne vehicle. 

Last warning is a burst from the boat or ghost Hawk. And ofcourse that would result in the crash of that chopper.

 

[MrChee]

I think this is a serious issue, my gang yesterday got atrociously VDM'd by a tempest yesterday and we couldn't get any names, so we couldn't comp for all our guns but ce cera. There is now no accountability for rule breakers if they are in a car or more than 10m away on foot which is big problem. 

I do love the immersion gained from the more restricted tags and no scrolling, it just a balance as always, im sure it'll be sorted soon!

 

[Genmali]

If people are VDM'ing, the cop solution to this is to shoot the tyres out and check the license of the player once in custody if they have a facemask on since checking the license still shows the name at the top. Obviously if they disconnect, just looking into the bottom left should show them up and could be confirmed by seeing who the car owner is (obviously the car could be stolen so it is best done only to verify it was the right person and shouldn't be relied upon for reports).

As a rebel, we can't check licenses, so what if you're in an active gunfight, and the guy you are fighting combat-logs while out of sight, but because you don't know his name, you will never actually realize that he combat-logged