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Brandon Pigeon
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Conservative all the way, after reading both manifestos and doing my own judging I am always going to be voting conservative even though my local seat is Labour... If we (Consertavties) do get a majority in parliment I know that we would carry out brexit by january the 31st. As once stated by Boris Johnson "Every time the labour party are in office they end with a finicial crisis, after brexit they will be starting with a finicial crisis..." Boris already has be having talks with the EU about the trade deal he has secured. Jeremy is making ouragous claims that is would take "7 Years" to make a trade deal and the NHS would be in that trade whereas every single time labour has been in government they make the NHS worse off every time!!
P.S here is a video from 2015 asking Jeremy where the money is coming from the statements he makes are ridicoulous the labour party want to cut tution fees and cut taxes and then make the NHS "Better" but where is this money coming from? Just making Britian more in debt that we already are... we are currently in around 1.8 Trillion pound of debt now every single nation in the world is in debt but It would take us 12 years to pay that back in taxes alone and he wants to cut them and then make even more things free?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bulletins/ukgovernmentdebtanddeficitforeurostatmaast/june2019
I am a student so I dont have to pay council tax (Lucky me) but even still labour want tax to be the same across the board so take the same % ammount away from the poor as the rich to make it "Fair" Jeremy is making statements that only Uneducated people (In politics only) would believe being tunnel visioned into thinking he is right where as Boris is being honest about what we can achieve.
P.S here is a video from 2015 asking Jeremy where the money is coming from the statements he makes are ridicoulous the labour party want to cut tution fees and cut taxes and then make the NHS "Better" but where is this money coming from? Just making Britian more in debt that we already are... we are currently in around 1.8 Trillion pound of debt now every single nation in the world is in debt but It would take us 12 years to pay that back in taxes alone and he wants to cut them and then make even more things free?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bulletins/ukgovernmentdebtanddeficitforeurostatmaast/june2019
I am a student so I dont have to pay council tax (Lucky me) but even still labour want tax to be the same across the board so take the same % ammount away from the poor as the rich to make it "Fair" Jeremy is making statements that only Uneducated people (In politics only) would believe being tunnel visioned into thinking he is right where as Boris is being honest about what we can achieve.
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@Brandon Pigeon I feel like conservatives always seem to forget that they're the ones that have been in power for the past decade but yet the country is far worse off now than it was 10 years ago. If you'd actually done your research I'd find it hard to believe that you honestly think Labour were solely responsible for the 2008 GLOBAL financial crisis. Under the previous labour goverment the debt levels were actually stagnant and the economy was doing well up untill the global financial crisis.
Yet here we are, a decade later where Tories are still blaming labour for the poor state of the country.
Johnson and his party has been caught lying countless times yet you're convinced he's honest about what you can achieve. If economic responsibility was something that actually mattered to you, you'd be backing a second referendum with the option to remain as you're almost with certainty going to be better off economically if you stay in the EU.
You can go ahead and vote for 5 more years of austerity and terrible economic policy and then blame labour again for the country doing poorly once the next election comes around.
Yet here we are, a decade later where Tories are still blaming labour for the poor state of the country.
Johnson and his party has been caught lying countless times yet you're convinced he's honest about what you can achieve. If economic responsibility was something that actually mattered to you, you'd be backing a second referendum with the option to remain as you're almost with certainty going to be better off economically if you stay in the EU.
You can go ahead and vote for 5 more years of austerity and terrible economic policy and then blame labour again for the country doing poorly once the next election comes around.
Brandon Pigeon
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Yes I have and Labour was responsible as usual...
As does every party coming this close to election but no as bad as lying to people in their face promoising unrealistic things... Also remain is out of the question we voted to leave lets carry it out and not second guess ourself.
As does labour when they are in power its all the same but labour has always been know to leave the mess on the floor for the tories to clean up.
How was labour responsible for the 2008 global financial crisis?
Also "Lets not second guess ourselves when we voted for something no one had any clue about and were blatantly lied too in order to get us to vote for it"
Brandon Pigeon
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Either way they was in power and was spending money they didnt have...
Also good image right here (As a Joke)
As you can see Jeremy Corbyn is more used to pulling the wool over peoples eyes than pulling a pint.
Also good image right here (As a Joke)
As you can see Jeremy Corbyn is more used to pulling the wool over peoples eyes than pulling a pint.
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You just have to look at the last nine years and make a decision based off that.It's the lesser of two evils.I for one won't be falling prey to the "lets get brexit done" facade this exceptionally cruel government is spinning. Nine years of unnecessary spending cuts and a national debt increase of 53% tells me all i need to know.
Aha so in other words you lied and you hadn't done any research. Can't say I'm surprised tbh.Either way they was in power and was spending money they didnt have...
Also good image right here (As a Joke)
As you can see Jeremy Corbyn is more used to pulling the wool over peoples eyes than pulling a pint.
If you were even remotely well informed on the topic you'd probably know that national debt levels under labour were fine and were actually going down slightly.
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@Xkan Not correct. Public sector net debt, adjusted for inflation, rose by 53% between 2009/10 and 2016/17. Now since the ressesion started in 2008 the debt has risen with in both hues with conservative and labour it was never "Going down slightly" either way the ressesion was reversible but the labour government finicial polices screwed this country. Yes I am a tory saying that labour messed it up Umm because its true.
Public debt throughout the last labour goverment remained stagnant and went down during a couple of years up untill the financial crisis. feel free to look it up.
The problem with saying that labours finacial policies screwed the country a whole DECADE later is that it's entirely baseless, show me any evidence to support your claim.
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I have to agree with @Xkan here, if you do some real research you’ll find that the last time Labour were in charge the economy was actually doing pretty well, but due to the global financial crisis it fucked a lot of countries up. This was no fault of Labour and actually if it wasn’t for how labour handled it, our economy would have been a lot more worse off now. The whole “Labour caused all of this and ruined our economy” narrative is literally just something the tories ran with to misinform the public and gain power. If you google this then there’s a lot of different sources to back this up. (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/18/labour-economic-crisis-tories - this is just one of the first results, I’m on phone so cba to post multiple links, but seriously google it).
Are you not a BTP officer @Brandon Pigeon? Do you genuinely think our police services and NHS can survive more years of cuts?
This whole “Get brexit done” charade is just bullshit as well, the fact that people are voting Tory simply because of Brexit is absurd. It’s also madness that most of these people think we’d just leave in January and that’s the end of it, without realising Brexit will still be going on for years, we will not have a solid trade deal for a good while and if we turn to the US for our main point of trade then we’re fucked. That’s where stuff like the NHS being sold off will happen. If you genuinely believe Boris Johnson wouldn’t be willing to sell off our NHS to get a trade deal with USA then I just don’t know what to say anymore. In the trade talks, US will hold all the cards and if we want a trade deal, we’d have no choice but to accept. The only way I see trade with the USA being economically viable for us is if Bernie becomes the new president, DT will fuck us over for a deal that primarily benefits them over us.
A lot of your points seem to be common misinformation spread by Tory media and supporters. I fancy our chances with Labour under a fully costed and backed manifesto rather than the Torys who can’t even cost theirs.
It’s 5:30am and I’ve got work soon but if I’ve made any mistakes I’ll go back through and correct them when I’m more awake in a few hours.
Are you not a BTP officer @Brandon Pigeon? Do you genuinely think our police services and NHS can survive more years of cuts?
This whole “Get brexit done” charade is just bullshit as well, the fact that people are voting Tory simply because of Brexit is absurd. It’s also madness that most of these people think we’d just leave in January and that’s the end of it, without realising Brexit will still be going on for years, we will not have a solid trade deal for a good while and if we turn to the US for our main point of trade then we’re fucked. That’s where stuff like the NHS being sold off will happen. If you genuinely believe Boris Johnson wouldn’t be willing to sell off our NHS to get a trade deal with USA then I just don’t know what to say anymore. In the trade talks, US will hold all the cards and if we want a trade deal, we’d have no choice but to accept. The only way I see trade with the USA being economically viable for us is if Bernie becomes the new president, DT will fuck us over for a deal that primarily benefits them over us.
A lot of your points seem to be common misinformation spread by Tory media and supporters. I fancy our chances with Labour under a fully costed and backed manifesto rather than the Torys who can’t even cost theirs.
It’s 5:30am and I’ve got work soon but if I’ve made any mistakes I’ll go back through and correct them when I’m more awake in a few hours.
Brandon Pigeon
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I Fully understand where you are coming from however I do come from a family who has always voted tory, however It does not change the point that both parties have some very convincing projections of what they think they can and cannot do... Im not throwing labour under the bus as such but I do believe that with what I have seen and heard (Note mostly tory media like the telegraph) but I personally feel like the tories are being more reasonable.
As for the Police and NHS I cannot speak on the NHS's behalf but as for the police I can tell you that It mostly affects home office forces, as 95% of our funding comes from the train operating companines themselves. However I have seen first hand my local police force Devon and Cornwall struggling as they have such a large ammount of land to cover and is one of the smallest forces (By Number of Constables) It is a real issue however for BTP funding really isnt an issue @Rice Krispy But does not mitigate the fact that funding is a huge issue across all services Police,Millitary,NHS,Fire&R
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Personally I will be voting for Conservatives 
today, for many reasons.
Business
As someone who works for a relatively medium sized business as well as having most the families income come from owning a business I find it absurd that Labour want increase corporation tax to 26% as well as increasing dividend tax. What they effectively are doing is taking money from people who may only have small corner shop, 1 man plumbing business etc.. This tax will there mean all these small business will have less cash to pay their staff/ the owner resulting in lower living standards. ( Also the fact of increasing minimum wage to £10 an hour, good luck to the corner shop wanting to employ part time students etc, not going to be able to afford it).
Security
It is widely known that Jeremy Corbyn has sympathised with many of Britain's enemies. Support the IRA, wants to give second chances to mass terrorist murders. In the event of Labour getting into power Diane Abbot will become Home Secretary. She has called for MI5 to be disbanded due to it being a conspiracy (Despite it stopping over 100 potential attacks this year), has no grasp on numbers or policing, when a major report on terrorism was released she didn't even read it and when questioned on it she tried lying that she had in fact read it. Of this doesn't make you even in the slightest way nervous about security then....
NHS
This has become a major talking point from Labours side the repeated message 'Tories will sell off the NHS to Trump'. I think people should take a look back at the history of the NHS.
NHS was introduced shortly after WW2. The bill was supported by both parties and both had on their manifestos to create if they got into power. Labour got into power so they were the ones who initially started it up.
7.7% of the NHS is currently privatised, with 4.4% of that being Labour who privatised it. They introduced PFI, sold off hospitals to private owners which now costs the tax payers billions everyear to use. It is ludicrous to think that probably our most treasured institution should be sold off and Trump & Boris have repeatedly said it's not for sale!
People talk about the price of drugs and that they will go up when we do trade deals with the USA. Labour have been saying it will cost is £28billion more every year. This is a complete and utter scaremongering fact. This value is if we were to pay the same price for drugs that the bowl person would in America + telling everywhere else in the world we buy drugs from that we will pay them more and equivalent to USA prices. It is a complete project fear.
Debt/Deficit
I think it is important to understand what these 2 things mean and why one is arguably more important than the other.
Debt - How much the government is borrowing everyear to cover public services.
Defect - The difference between amount of money raised through taxes and how much is required on public services.
The idea is to reduce the deficit so that the county can become 'self-working' without the need to borrow cash. If you look at the time conservatives have been in power they have dramatically reduced the deficit even though they have cut taxes in different places, increased personal allowance etc... This can only be down with a strong dynamic market economy.
Brexit
I was too young at the time to have a vote in the referendum but I would have voted leave. If find it incredibly undemocratic to campaign to revoke or ask for a second referendum on something that hasn't even happened yet.
We were all told that at the point we vote to leave the EU we will be plunged into a deep economic crisis, a recession will happen. Not one of those things happened.
Business is still in eating in the UK, just yesterday Aston Martin opened up there new factory to build 2 new models of cars. It has become an easy scapegoat for companies to say 'We can't pay you due to brexit'. It's a nice get out to deflect from the actual reason something might have failed.
Immigration was probably the biggest reason everyone voted to leave. Open door immigration allows people who have no skills to enter the country, eventually claiming benefits etc... Labour want to open this free movement to the WHOLE world. Absurd. It puts stress on our public services like the NHS. We can't keep up funding/a good service if population growth is at 500,000 every single year. As shown in the EU elections few months ago, Brexit' party secured the most seats, telling you something about the mindset of the country.
I could probably write something about every topic but I might be here a whole so I will summarise with some key points and let you look into some claims:
Labour have:
- Introduced NHS privitisation, 2003
- Started an illegal war, 2003
- Started private finance and sold off a hospital, 2003&2009
- Scrapped student grants, 1998
- Approved Grenfell cladding, 2007
- Funded bank bailout, 2008
- Started disability assesments, 2008
- Forced Windrush generation into checks, 2009
- Announced bedroom tax, 2008
- Legalised zero hour contracts, 1999
- Built 3000 council homes in 13 years
- Handed powers to the EU in the Lisbon treaty resulting In Brexit.
These are my views coupled with hard facts. I hope people don't get clouded in the vision of having free wifi, free everything tbh and understand that it is British business that ultimately allows our country to work. There is one party that is on the side of business.
Vote Conservative
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today, for many reasons.Business
As someone who works for a relatively medium sized business as well as having most the families income come from owning a business I find it absurd that Labour want increase corporation tax to 26% as well as increasing dividend tax. What they effectively are doing is taking money from people who may only have small corner shop, 1 man plumbing business etc.. This tax will there mean all these small business will have less cash to pay their staff/ the owner resulting in lower living standards. ( Also the fact of increasing minimum wage to £10 an hour, good luck to the corner shop wanting to employ part time students etc, not going to be able to afford it).
Security
It is widely known that Jeremy Corbyn has sympathised with many of Britain's enemies. Support the IRA, wants to give second chances to mass terrorist murders. In the event of Labour getting into power Diane Abbot will become Home Secretary. She has called for MI5 to be disbanded due to it being a conspiracy (Despite it stopping over 100 potential attacks this year), has no grasp on numbers or policing, when a major report on terrorism was released she didn't even read it and when questioned on it she tried lying that she had in fact read it. Of this doesn't make you even in the slightest way nervous about security then....
NHS
This has become a major talking point from Labours side the repeated message 'Tories will sell off the NHS to Trump'. I think people should take a look back at the history of the NHS.
NHS was introduced shortly after WW2. The bill was supported by both parties and both had on their manifestos to create if they got into power. Labour got into power so they were the ones who initially started it up.
7.7% of the NHS is currently privatised, with 4.4% of that being Labour who privatised it. They introduced PFI, sold off hospitals to private owners which now costs the tax payers billions everyear to use. It is ludicrous to think that probably our most treasured institution should be sold off and Trump & Boris have repeatedly said it's not for sale!
People talk about the price of drugs and that they will go up when we do trade deals with the USA. Labour have been saying it will cost is £28billion more every year. This is a complete and utter scaremongering fact. This value is if we were to pay the same price for drugs that the bowl person would in America + telling everywhere else in the world we buy drugs from that we will pay them more and equivalent to USA prices. It is a complete project fear.
Debt/Deficit
I think it is important to understand what these 2 things mean and why one is arguably more important than the other.
Debt - How much the government is borrowing everyear to cover public services.
Defect - The difference between amount of money raised through taxes and how much is required on public services.
The idea is to reduce the deficit so that the county can become 'self-working' without the need to borrow cash. If you look at the time conservatives have been in power they have dramatically reduced the deficit even though they have cut taxes in different places, increased personal allowance etc... This can only be down with a strong dynamic market economy.
Brexit
I was too young at the time to have a vote in the referendum but I would have voted leave. If find it incredibly undemocratic to campaign to revoke or ask for a second referendum on something that hasn't even happened yet.
We were all told that at the point we vote to leave the EU we will be plunged into a deep economic crisis, a recession will happen. Not one of those things happened.
Business is still in eating in the UK, just yesterday Aston Martin opened up there new factory to build 2 new models of cars. It has become an easy scapegoat for companies to say 'We can't pay you due to brexit'. It's a nice get out to deflect from the actual reason something might have failed.
Immigration was probably the biggest reason everyone voted to leave. Open door immigration allows people who have no skills to enter the country, eventually claiming benefits etc... Labour want to open this free movement to the WHOLE world. Absurd. It puts stress on our public services like the NHS. We can't keep up funding/a good service if population growth is at 500,000 every single year. As shown in the EU elections few months ago, Brexit' party secured the most seats, telling you something about the mindset of the country.
I could probably write something about every topic but I might be here a whole so I will summarise with some key points and let you look into some claims:
Labour have:
- Introduced NHS privitisation, 2003
- Started an illegal war, 2003
- Started private finance and sold off a hospital, 2003&2009
- Scrapped student grants, 1998
- Approved Grenfell cladding, 2007
- Funded bank bailout, 2008
- Started disability assesments, 2008
- Forced Windrush generation into checks, 2009
- Announced bedroom tax, 2008
- Legalised zero hour contracts, 1999
- Built 3000 council homes in 13 years
- Handed powers to the EU in the Lisbon treaty resulting In Brexit.
These are my views coupled with hard facts. I hope people don't get clouded in the vision of having free wifi, free everything tbh and understand that it is British business that ultimately allows our country to work. There is one party that is on the side of business.
Vote Conservative
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If you vote for smaller parties the bigger parties may change some of their policies to please the masses. You need to vote lol. If you don’t you have legit 0 say in any political matters for the next 5 years because you didn’t even try to fix it
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100% agree
I've voted Labour
If I had the opportunity to vote for in the brexit referendum I would have vote to remain, the entire campaign for the leave side was misleading and prayed on reminiscing on a bygone era. Alongside leaving our country in a potential economic disaster under what has been analysed by the bank of england and foundations specialised in the area, this regarding a no deal scenario. However you can not go back and change an entire country's initial decision, my hope now is for an ideal trade deal. Preferably staying within the European single market.
I think Corbyn is dangerous to have in power due to his foreign policy however he's the lesser of two evils in my eyes. And I'm voting for the policies not the people.
Dodgy Dave and Farage are bellsniffs. Opinions hurt.
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This one needs checking George the conservatives actually voted against the creation of a national health service throughout the initial planning phases it even divided the labour cabinet alot of politicians at this time actually didn't want nor actually thought the NHS was going to be a success
The global financial crash of 2008 has absolutely nothing to do with the labour government and had the conservatives been in power at the time they to would have had to bail out the banks it would have made no difference.As someone who actually lost everything in the collapse I laugh everytime someone mentions this.It had nothing to do with the government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedroom_tax i'll just leave this here George Yes the initial idea was floated by labour but was not actually inacted by them that was the tories.
that's just a lie mate it was approved by the royal borough of Kensington and Chelsea councils planning department (a conservative council)
Again yes legailized by labour but the system has been notoriously abused by employers since it's introduction and was never intended to be used as it is now.
Good.At 18 you legally become an adult if you decide as an adult to stay in education for a further 3-5 years be prepared to put your hand in your pocket and pay for it.I started my degree at 23 and never once complained about having to pay for it.Comparatively our higher education costs are still well below the global average.
You mention immigration laws and how labour want a free movement policy it's been proventime and time again immigration stimulates economies it doesn't stunt them.Free movement with the working sector is vital to economic growth and is something that should be praised not seen as "them comin over ere and stealin our jobs and claimin our benefits"
It's your choice to vote for who you want to vote for I'm making my choice based off of the fact my wife who works in the public sector has not received an increase in pay for the last 9 years.Just let that sink in.inflation has gone up year on year and her wages have not increased to cover the extra cost of living,shes seen cuts to her department of 62% and the work load increase an additional 36%.Why not go get a better job i hear you ask?She investigates benefit fraud not a huge call for that in the private sector.I have witnessed what tory austerity cuts are doing to this country all the while giving big business massive tax breaks and slashingpublic services so these companies can hide profits off shore and pay out massive bonuses to its sexecutives.They have increased the national debt by 53% (thats the borrowing they have to do to make up shortfalls they've had to borrow more because they cut corporation tax,the corporations aw this and used loopholes to hide profits and this pay no tax on them)
Brexit is a scam I've said this from the day they announced a referendum on it.It's funny we started the brexit debate right about the time the EU announced plans to bring in tax haven laws to compel people to declare and pay tax on any offshore holdings they have.
I live in the north east as always the hardest hit when it comes to government spending cuts I've seen industries decimated and communites ruined due to tory cuts and austerity.
For my own sanity i can't live another five years like this.
This cruel government has done nothing for the working man over the last nine years except take from him and give nothing in return.
this is the tory mindset
Police Fire and Ambulances? who needs those slash them.
Spend money on schools?tosh they'll just have to make do with what they've got besides they can always just ask the childrens parents to pay for books.
NHS funding?hur hur well labour sold off a small percentage of the health care system lets use that as a excuse to cronically underfund them.
Youth services? libraries? Bah don't need those cut them.
Wait Targuins got a chinese businessman with $5billion sitting in an offshore account and he wants to buy up a bunch of commerical properties and leave them vacant so he can use them as a tax boone?Set up a meeting we must listen to what this man has to say of course he won't actually be paying tax but a nice donation to the party wouldn't go unnoticed.
Labour is not perfect not by a long shot.But as a traditonally conservative voter I just cannot bring myself to vote for this government in it's current form.It's cruel,evil and does not give a fuck about you.
"Wants to give second chances to mass terrorist murderers" When has he ever said this?
Also the logic you're applying to when something good is done by labour "It was supported by both parties but labour were just in power at the time" but if it's something negative that BOTH the parties supported it's "Labour made this terrible decision" I don't want to personally call you out but it does come off as very hypocritical.
Ah yes, reknown truth tellers Donald Trump and Boris Johnson lmao. Trump when asked if the NHS was on the table for a trade deal said "Everything is on the table, everything" or something along the lines of that, he backtracked on it later as he realised it could potentially hurt his biggest political ally in the UK, I'd say you'd be downright gullible to believe he wouldn't try to buy parts of the NHS after the election.
Scaremongering fact? You're making it sound like a number that was made up on the spot when infact that number was taken from a study conducted by a thinktank that was funded by the Economic and Social Research Council. You know... people that are actually educated and informed on the matter.
You find it undemocratic to have a second referendum even though the leave that's on the table now was not even close to the leave that was being promised by any politician that advocated for it during the weeks coming up the referendum? I'd argue it's far more undemocratic to not allow people to change their minds now that they have a much better impression of what Brexit might look like if it was to go through on the current terms. Nigel Farage himself said that there'd be need for a second referendum incase of a 52-48 result a couple of weeks before the referendum happened but that's null and void now that leave won I'm assuming? Keep in mind many people voiced their regrets over voting leave as they were clearly lied to and had no idea what they were voting for (a couple of people I personally know voted and supported leave and now heavily regret it) and now want a second referendum.
Probably because you haven't left yet? lol
But it's an undeniable fact that the UK has already suffered economically just from the result of the vote but you're still convinced that nothing negative is going to happen after you actually leave? 97 percent of economists, the CBI, HM treasury and just about everysingle reliable economic study and forecast and has concluded that brexit under current terms would damage the UK's economy severely but you're just not convinced it's true because why?
You forgot to mention that remain leaning parties won about 53-54 percent of the seats against pro brexit parties winning around 46-47 percent? If anything surely it shows the country's will to remain in the EU.
It kinda hurts to see how painfully uninformed people are when it comes to immigration and what it brings to your country. Multiple studies have shown that the UK has benefitted tremendously from immigration over the past couple of decades, even if there were people leeching off the system there'd be more than enough hard working people to compensate for it.
I'll be honest, it is genuinely really disappointing to see people fall for the Tory leaderships continious lies.
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