Chat... Chat... Silence

[Jaam]

Alot of times recently, I have been either speaking with police officers or rebels. We've been having a chat, then all of a sudden silence. This silence can last between, 5 seconds to a good 30, 45 seconds. Then afterwards, in this case with the police, they suddenly awaken and start saying something along the lines of, "What we are going to be doing today is giving you a ticket", "I have spoken to my higher ups..", etc. 

This also happens with rebels aswell, you'll be speaking to them, then silence again, to be greeted with something like "Put your hands up now", "My friends in trouble" etc etc

This silence between dialogue absolutely kills roleplay and often leaves me confused on what is happening, what I'm meant to do and how to react to a situation. This is meant to be a roleplay server, and in most cases, it tries to be as close to real life as arma can be. However, in real life, people dont go mute when they are speaking on the radio. 

The way to fix this would be to have people actually speak in game (hotmic) their radio conversation in teamspeak. For example, a cop could, instead of going mute for a good minute, speak in game by saying things like "ok, so I have these 2 people at the pd, what should i do?.... ok, is this allowed in some cases?... oh ok, it isn't alright then thank you.... Ok guys so I've spoken to my higher ups about this.....".

This has been something thats been really irritating me and many others I know, however I'd like to hear about what other people think about this, police, rebel and UNMC alike.

 

[Samatlewis]

You can't say OOC stuff in game which is why people won't talk in game about it. They make comments about the person which they don't want to be heard and then say what they're going to do and what they think of the other party. It's not fair if one party complies with your suggestion and the opposition doesn't? That's why it never happens.

The only way to improve this would be for them to say 'give me one minute sir/dickhead I am going to confer with my colleagues/superiors/friends/gang mates about what's going to happen' and walk next to a car.

This had been suggested before with the same solution and issues spoken of but nothing will change because it gives other people the upper hand.

Additionallt as an example a cop won't want to say 'we are taking you to athira HQ, let's take the highway' down he radio and in game because that means the other party (nearby enemies?) would have heard and now knows where to ambush/kill them. What happens at the moment (I frequently do it ) 'okay so let's go to NPAS HQ on the highway' in game but actually say ' so let's go be back roads by weed to athira' or whatever. Simpler, safer, sneakier

 

[Jaam]

The only problem I have with it is when there is things they can be saying in game, such as asking how much a ticket is. They can just walk up to their partner or hotmic a radio conversation of them asking how much the price is. Imo, some things are needed to be said in OOC and not ingame, however, when there is a silence that lasts for around 2 minutes of them asking a question that could have been said ingame/hotmic, it just ruins the rp for everyone involved.

 

[Khaan]

Additionallt as an example a cop won't want to say 'we are taking you to athira HQ, let's take the highway' down he radio and in game because that means the other party (nearby enemies?) would have heard and now knows where to ambush/kill them. What happens at the moment (I frequently do it ) 'okay so let's go to NPAS HQ on the highway' in game but actually say ' so let's go be back roads by weed to athira' or whatever. Simpler, safer, sneakier

Wow, really? I'm surprised a member support would condone this? Not sure if this is powergaming, FailRP, or a mix of both. You're giving false information in game but saying something completely different in TS? If the other party are smart enough to sit close by to try and hear where you're taking him to ambush you, well that's just smart and maybe they deserve to know that info? You don't always have to win, Samat.

Let's say you were being taken hostage, would you, in game, say "Oh, you want me to put my hands up?" And then in TS say "Guy's I'm being taken hostage at XXXXXX need help ASAP!" No, you wouldn't because it's FailRP.

The only reason something shouldn't be hotmic'd in game is if it's something OOC. Everything else should.

 

[Simen]

I honestly find it pathetic when people do it. It ruins the RP more than those who accidentally break rp by saying shit like: "oi that's rdm right there" 

Only reason  I say that is simply because they at least talk and say something and I can talk back,  when it's a person that's mute then there's nothing I can other than to  wait in silence... And I don't play on RPUK to play the waiting game.

Just to add, I've brought this up with a DI twice to see if it would get fixed and I believed my msg got said during the popo meeting. However due to nothing changing I'd like to propose an idea for Academy, teach the new officers about this.

 The reason I'm proposing an idea to police academy and not rebels/NHS/UNMC is simply as this mostly happen with lower ranks in the police force.(mostly as I normally don't get to talk to alot of rebels as it usually ends up with him or me dead)

 

[Lincoln]

A good and easy fix to this would be use Task Force Radio mod, but then that means adding one mod to the servers which I know Wilco is against (I think) 

 

[Samatlewis]

Wow, really? I'm surprised a member support would condone this? Not sure if this is powergaming, FailRP, or a mix of both. You're giving false information in game but saying something completely different in TS? If the other party are smart enough to sit close by to try and hear where you're taking him to ambush you, well that's just smart and maybe they deserve to know that info? You don't always have to win, Samat.

Let's say you were being taken hostage, would you, in game, say "Oh, you want me to put my hands up?" And then in TS say "Guy's I'm being taken hostage at XXXXXX need help ASAP!" No, you wouldn't because it's FailRP.

The only reason something shouldn't be hotmic'd in game is if it's something OOC. Everything else should.

 See your point, however the whole time there are other players out there doing exactly the same thing as me it's going to happen. Obviously there are times to draw lines of when it's going to far, however much like anything here you must pick and chose your moments.

Not much different a tactic than sending in a hobo with a pistol in a full blown rifle gunfight. It happens, it's not the best but people do I, get away with it.

Do NOT use my status as member support against me. I do NOT appreciate it.

No one has to win all the time.

 

[Khaan]

 See your point, however the whole time there are other players out there doing exactly the same thing as me it's going to happen. Obviously there are times to draw lines of when it's going to far, however much like anything here you must pick and chose your moments.

Not much different a tactic than sending in a hobo with a pistol in a full blown rifle gunfight. It happens, it's not the best but people do I, get away with it.

No one has to win all the time.

So just because some hobo in Kavala doesn't Hotmic everything, you shouldn't have to?


“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” -  Gandhi

 

[Samatlewis]

So just because some hobo in Kavala doesn't Hotmic everything, you shouldn't have to?


“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” -  Gandhi

I am not the only one that does this, NO one hot mics everything. It all part of the mentality of having the best group/faction that we are ALL participants of. 

A hobo is still another player. Wouldn't matter if it's the police/UNMC or whatever big gang. 

People only say in-game what they want the other party to hear.

 

[Khaan]

People only say in-game what they want the other party to hear.

Which is a shit attitude to have in game for a SeriousRP community. Personally, I hotmic everything that is relevant to the ongoing RP. I would never say one thing in game and something completely different in TS. It IS FailRP and Powergaming.

Just because there are some people who don't do it, doesn't mean I shouldn't? Why should I lower my standards because of them? I pride myself in my roleplay, and hotmicing just adds to it.

 

[Kaden]

Wow, really? I'm surprised a member support would condone this? Not sure if this is powergaming, FailRP, or a mix of both. You're giving false information in game but saying something completely different in TS? 

I don't see powergaming I see a cop valuing his life to the highest level? I would do that 100%.

 

[Khaan]

This is crazy? Two member support condoning something that quite clearly isn't okay. As soon as you initiate roleplay with someone, you are bound to providing the most fair, and high quality roleplay possible. Telling the detainee that you're following the highway and then your fellow cops in TS that you're actually going to go on the backroads in my honest opinion is absolutely power-gaming and Fail-RP. Explain how the person in the car wouldn't hear you say to your colleagues down the radio about going down the backroads? 

 

[Samatlewis]

Which is a shit attitude to have in game for a SeriousRP community. Personally, I hotmic everything that is relevant to the ongoing RP. I would never say one thing in game and something completely different in TS. It IS FailRP and Powergaming.

Just because there are some people who don't do it, doesn't mean I shouldn't? Why should I lower my standards because of them? I pride myself in my roleplay, and hotmicing just adds to it.

So in my example I am 'powergaming' and delivering fail roleplay?

I see your view on it, however I see it as; I'm telling the person somethings different, IN-GAME whilst KNOWING their gang mates are around (or random civs), taking the person to the car and radioing that we are going a different route? It could be that I am whispering/I say I'm going one and taking another route? Even if I didn't take that route how is that powergaming? 

Say I hadn't intended to use that tactic and I changed route anyway, does that mean I am still delivering fail roleplay? Me and my partner could know our own personal routes anyhow, how does that make it fail roleplay?

As @Kadenit is one of many methods of avoiding confrontation against gangs and criminals. 

Also seriously STOP using my position as member support against me. I seriously deteste it.

 

[Kaden]

This is crazy? Two member support condoning something that quite clearly isn't okay. As soon as you initiate roleplay with someone, you are bound to providing the most fair, and high quality roleplay possible. Telling the detainee that you're following the highway and then your fellow cops in TS that you're actually going to go on the backroads in my honest opinion is absolutely power-gaming and Fail-RP. Explain how the person in the car wouldn't hear you say to your colleagues down the radio about going down the backroads? 

As samat said. Look at me as a normal player. life isn't fair get over it. There is a difference between powergaming and valuing your life.

 

[Khaan]

Also seriously STOP using my position as member support against me. I seriously deteste it.

I'm not using it against you, just saying as member support you should know that this is a poor form of roleplay and shouldn't be condoning it 'nor exercising it.

It could be that I am whispering

If you whispered it in game as well as TS this would be okay, but you don't whisper it in game because the person you have in restraints would hear that and convey it to his gang mates. 

Everything that affects your actions in game, while engaging in roleplay with something, should be hotmic'd. End of.

As samat said. Look at me as a normal player. life isn't fair get over it. There is a difference between powergaming and valuing your life.

By valuing your life to that point by not hotmic'ing is Fai-RP, and the fact you're doing it to win is powergaming.

 

[Kaden]

I'm not using it against you, just saying as member support you should know that this is a poor form of roleplay and shouldn't be condoning it 'nor exercising it.

If you whispered it in game as well as TS this would be okay, but you don't whisper it in game because the person you have in restraints would hear that and convey it to his gang mates. 

Everything that affects your actions in game, while engaging in roleplay with something, should be hotmic'd. End of.

By valuing your life to that point by not hotmic'ing is Fai-RP, and the fact you're doing it to win is powergaming.

Fail rp and powergaming? Okay time to ban 75% server then 

 

[Khaan]

Fail rp and powergaming? Okay time to ban 75% server then 

That is not a valid excuse to do it.

 

[Kaden]

That is not a valid excuse to do it.

I don't see if as powergaming or fail rp. I see it as get a gps and stop moaning

 

[Madmatt150]

I extremely dislike this, my personal opinion is too hotmic everything within RP. I've done this as a police officer and it honestly has saved me countless times. 

I know @Banana Duck and @Vladic Kaboth HATE people that hush up in game then talk on TS.

I understand you don't want to break character. That's fine, but if all you are saying is, "I think we should take him to Athira station" Than that is not hard to hotmic in game, and if his friends here him? So what, more RP, RP stopping a police car, possible negotiations and what ever happens next. Hotmic should be included, and I'm pushing for all police officers to do it, at least in times of calm, I don't expect officers in a fire-fight to hotmic in game. And a lot of other officers in my command agree with me on this point. 

Personally I'd like to see it as a server rule, as we do use TS for RP as a radio, and thus should come under Fail RP is they use said radio for RP purposes. 

Too many people, respected people abuse this fact, police/rebel/UNMC etc. It affects the RP, in negative ways. I.E I was on my own, two men in hatchbacks sports pulled him, odd looking, thinking they are going to take me hostage. I hotmiced calling units to help, giving a description of the men, they heard this and left.

I also have to personally agree with Khan, I see this as Fail RP, not reportable/bannable put it is effecting and failing the RP, what people say over TS could affect the RP in-game and thus stops that RP from happening. It's like me as a cop, running up, placing handcuffs on someone then running him back to the police station.

Anyway, personally, everyone should do this, if not. Well...