[BG] Vincent (non-police admin req'd) (Action: Ban Issued 25/03/2015)

[Nathan2820]

Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name): [bG] Vincent
 
Time & Date this happened: 21/03/2015 around 23:20
 
Which Server did this happen on: Server 2
 
Description of what happened: I was responding to a HM treasury call to assess the area and see if there were any armed men at the location and upon arrival i was told there were and so i said i would be negotiator and jumped out my vehicle put my weapon into my bag and then i was shot down without one word being said.
 
What Rule Was Broken ?: 
 
RDM = Ban if no role-play, Remember this is a serious roleplay community therefore shooting people on sight with no roleplay is RDM, engage in roleplay at all times.
 
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?: I attempted to have a conversation but he wasn't having any of it so i'm bringing to the admins for them to decide.
  
Please post video evidence/screenshots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence, If your report is about RDM then it must be a video leading upto the RDM and after)
 

 

[Superhitmandan]

Hi, sorry to be a pain, but i can show my perspective, it does not show Vincent killing you Nathan but it does show that you were killed when we had already been engaged by the police in the immediate area to the HM treasury.

Added: i think this is more a lack of communication between your fellow officers in my honest opinion.

 

[Nathan2820]

That's a fair point i just wanted to put down my perspective also because Vincent wasn't interested in a decent conversation and i'll be leaving it to the Admins.  

 

[Vinc3nt]

HM Treasury was in progress.  The police had already engaged with three people before hand. Shadow was on the scene first. And one of our guys had already been shot and killed. We were robbing the HM Treasury after we killed the 3 other officers, a few other minutes 3 of you turn up and happen too stop in front of the treasury, we had permission from higher up in our gang due to the fact to prior engagment by the police that cops at the treasure were KOS.

Either your fellow Police officers did not communicate with you and you happened to coincidently stop outside of the treasury (if that is the case how would I know, being fully with in my rights to engage since being in a police shootout 5 mins or so ago and having permission from higher up in BG to engage on site). However I dont believe this scenario for a second as HM Treasury was clearly being robbed.

The most likely case is you pulled  up in front of the HM with your two buddies and thought you could stop it. Actually you are at fault here for not communicating well with your officers, pulling up in front of a robbery in progress and not really valuing your life by doing so.

P.S ----  How do we know you were going to be a negotiator ? As far as we were concerned any negotiations are broken the the police ***Tried to kill us*** , you should possibly look at how negotiations work IRL, usually the shots happen after the negotiation fails

TLR -----

I was clear to engage because: A) HM Was being Robbed and police were aware. B) Cops had already responded, engaged us, killed one of our guys before the three of them were killed. C) You turned up 5 minutes after this fire fight and BG higher ups gave us permission to engage. If your reporting me then why are you not reporting the guy who shot the CSO too?

I explained all this to you on TS, but you still decide to put it up

 

[Nathan2820]

I love how your jumping to insults and like i said i will be leaving it to the admins, have a nice night <3

 

[Vinc3nt]

Not sure where you were insulted but okay. I ask that you contact the higher up in BG who gave us authority to kill the police due to the fact we were already engaged.

 

[Lemmen]

Following my own advice and removing this comment.

Spoiler

 

Not sure where you were insulted but okay. I ask that you contact the higher up in BG who gave us authority to kill the police due to the fact we were already engaged.

Sorry, I know I'm not supposed to be commenting in here, but someone's gonna point out that the "higher-ups" in BG have no authority what-so-ever on the server, you following their orders is YOUR decision, and therefor it is you and only you to blame. You can't just blame others because you did what you were "told" to.

 

[Vinc3nt]

Sorry, I know I'm not supposed to be commenting in here, but someone's gonna point out that the "higher-ups" in BG have no authority what-so-ever on the server, you following their orders is YOUR decision, and therefor it is you and only you to blame. You can't just blame others because you did what you were "told" to.

That maybe so. But we as a group were clear to engage because we were engaged 5 minutes before. Also you say your not supposed to comment here, follow your advice and don't do it.

 

[Superhitmandan]

This is my perspective which shows police engagement with my guys close to where Vincent was before he killed SGT Nathan, as i said in my prior statement, apologies to Nathan for the reaction of Vincent, but with respect he isnt in any wrong here due to police engaging us not 100 metres further up the road from where you stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gArI5fQtYV8&feature=youtu.be

i do believe it was a case of failure to communicate which is no fault of yours but of the officers who were killed across the road from the HM.

 

[Neo]

So in none of these video's was a charge placed, or counting down...

The officer de-armed himself, you were watching long enough to see this.

I can understand if they were inside the compound and armed, but this was outside.. what reason did you have to shoot this unarmed officer?

 A) HM Was being Robbed and police were aware. 

 You killed the police, we don't all metagame...

engaged 5 minutes before

 that's a long time of nothing happening, you at the bank could be entirely different people...

P.S ----  How do we know you were going to be a negotiator ? As far as we were concerned any negotiations are broken the the police

 The fact he took his weapon off, and 1 person in 3rd person cam could see this as well as the shooter.... and negotiations can still be held, there is a value here...

C) You turned up 5 minutes after this fire fight and BG higher ups gave us permission to engage.

 They have authority to issue KOS?

This is a disgusting report to read, once again, out for the kills, not watching and observing. Yes, communications may have lacked from the officers, however, these officers pulled up RIGHT OUTSIDE THE FRONT.. he then got out and disarmed himself... there was no warning... 

Think I'll call @Vladic Ka or @Wilco to look at this due to being a cop...

 

[Neo]

So in none of these video's was a charge placed, or counting down...

The officer de-armed himself, you were watching long enough to see this.

I can understand if they were inside the compound and armed, but this was outside.. what reason did you have to shoot this unarmed officer?

 A) HM Was being Robbed and police were aware. 

You killed the police, we don't all metagame...

engaged 5 minutes before

that's a long time of nothing happening, you at the bank could be entirely different people...

P.S ----  How do we know you were going to be a negotiator ? As far as we were concerned any negotiations are broken the the police

The fact he took his weapon off, and 1 person in 3rd person cam could see this as well as the shooter.... and negotiations can still be held, there is a value here...

C) You turned up 5 minutes after this fire fight and BG higher ups gave us permission to engage.

They have authority to issue KOS?

This is a disgusting report to read, once again, out for the kills, not watching and observing. Yes, communications may have lacked from the officers, however, these officers pulled up RIGHT OUTSIDE THE FRONT.. he then got out and disarmed himself... there was no warning... 

Think I'll call @Vladic Ka or @Wilco to look at this due to being a cop...

 

[Vinc3nt]

I believe this issue has already been put to rest via TS, at least it is  a 4 day old complaint by now and I am no longer even a rebel. In my eyes Police were aware that HM was being robbed, police fired upon us first (at least I was told) and from our BG superiors we were told to open fire on Police approaching, we had no message, as far as im aware, about negotation.

Actually if you watch the video I shoot as soon as the officer has his weapon out, I wasnt shooting him while unarmed.

At the end of the day its quite simple. We were shot at by police first, these guys knew there was a treasury operation, we received no message saying we were having a negotiator and negotations are broken as soon as police opened fire.

Your blaming me when in actual fact you should a) blame the officers who shot first of all B) the higher ups who gave me, a Private authorization. In a live fire fight situation im not really going to question my superiors unless I Strongly believe its against the rules (what their asking me to do).

UPDATE

Just talked to Nathan on TS, he told me hes withdrawing the complaint.

<13:46:08> "Vincent": can i talk to you a second?
<13:46:10> "Vincent": report related
<13:48:39> "Nathan [MPU]": regarding yours im withdrawing it your evidence is good
<13:48:40> Chat partner has closed the conversation

Awaiting his response here.

Update #2

Actually never mind, he changed his mind and seems quite keen on dragging out a 4 - 5 day old situation back from when I was a Rebel (now a cop). Im still confident however I have not broken the rules, but if it's deemed I have then I have a clean record, and will be willing to compensate any money loss from the officer.

I understand more RP could have been given however put yourself in my boots, your robbing a treasury, cops have already fired, adrenaline is pumping. Neo your acting like I just walked behind him in Kavala and popped him in the head.

P.S: Why is the guy filming not in trouble as well then for shooting at the police car with no RP at the end? Please if your going to turn it into a massive deal then at least treat the people equally and not single out a single person in a group of 5 - 6 people, thanks, this is likely the last post im making because I have nothing else to add to something which is clearly the fault of the officers shooting first, their lack of communications, the stupidity of the officer pulling in front of a HM treasury in progress where 3 officers 5 minutes ago just died and the BG leaders for authorizing that we can indeed shoot the officers because they 'initiated roleplay'.

''You killed the police, we don't all metagame...''

This comment is absolutely ridiculous. Of course three officers underfire are going to radio for back up if they have any value for their lives when we are robbing such a high value target.

'Nough said on this matter, im going to get back to playing the game and having fun, I will let the non biased admins (non police admins) reply to this topic as I would prefer a neutral stand point.

 

[Neo]

I'll point out, I'm not biased, and that I requested the other admins in here to sort it out as I knew you'd take this action.... I find your comment offensive on this matter.

 

[Steph]

You can see clearly that the Officer is putting away his gun etc. Still you decide to blast the sh*t outta him?

WHY ON EARTH WOULD AN OFFICER PUT AWAY HIS GUN AND SUCH? TO DRINK TEA WITH YOU?

It's obvious that he wanted to negotiate.

Normally I would leave this with a warning but your aggressive behaviour on this post and the accusations of my fellow Admin being biased show me that you are clearly a little bit immature and I think a ban will bring your feet back on the ground.

(NO I am not issuing a ban because hes not nice - It could EITHER be a warning OR a ban and I always go for ban if I can't see someone being sorry)

Approved - Action Taken - 25/0315