Bank jobs and RP

[PLF Wolf]

Tea and biscuits. Or chopper. Or tell them u want a song... Use your imagination . It is a rp scene. Even if its only to stall them.

We dont stall them, they stall is, there is never any negtiations we are robbing a bank, we aint leaving alive or with gold why would we ask for a cup of tea when we want gold and they know thats what we are there for?

 

[Superhitmandan]

Not in bank jobs but in numerous scenarios I've seen where some (not all as some have played along brilliantly) being surrounded either stall. Shoot or grab the nearest perp. Cuff them without knocking them down and run off with them before valuing their own life. I think in that instance police do not always value life.

Edit: and if truth be told. Sometimes I don't even get asked my name when I'm arrested. All I hear from some officers is "I'll take your licence out of your pocket" so they can quickly send to jail. Mega failure to rp. Again that is only some. Some of the police are superb at their jobs.

 

[Vladic Ka]

Just for clarity here are the current bank rules:

Rule 12: Bank Robbery

We consider the bank robbery an excellent role play opportunity, its also something that requires a lot of planning to successfully get the gold out of the bank and over to the cash for gold shop.

12A). There needs to be 10 cops online otherwise it wont work

12B) RDM is eased inside the compound and in police chases, if negotiations fail or do not happen then of course there is going to be a shootout.

12C) VDM is still a ban-able offence, this is a server rule so also apply's to the bank robbery.

12D) If the police send in a negotiator you can either engage in role-play or decline, do not kill the negotiator or attempt to kidnap them, The negotiation is a good opportunity to role-play with the police rather than always have a shootout.

So by my book the only place you can get away with RDM before negotiations have been attempted is inside the compound and in any chases preceding the robbery. ANYONE seen shooting someone else outside of the compound before negotiations are attempted should be be classed as an RDMer and banned.

 

[unconnected]

The problem with negotiating with police is that unlike a real hostage or major robbery scenario, any demands you make in-game have to come from the officers themselves and at that point the life of a colleague or virtual gold is valued to be FAR less than their personal bank accounts (which is frankly, quite understandable).

I've gone through the entire gamut of cash requests for the life of an officer, I started at 1mil (before realizing the above) and I've gone down to 10K and even for such a paltry sum of cash they've let their officer die. The only successful ransom I've ever seen personally (and I know this is a sample size of just myself) was for TWO spikestrips which are free! If we're talking about non-police hostages then I'd be surprised if they even offered a crumpet.

I've also spoken to people who have gone in as a negotiator to the treasury and they're expected to mark all the rebels they see on the map.

With all this in mind, how are negotiations expected to work?

The next time TI makes an attempt, we will not being sending a text and I have a plan as to what we will do and it will involve me being face to face with the police, which I will record every second of. If this doesn't work (and they shut my RP down) then I will post it on the police complaints forum and you can respond to it. But frankly, if that does happen after the threats to rebels here from senior members, if the RP from the cops is equally poor I expect heads to roll on your end too.

 

[Kris!]

Just for clarity here are the current bank rules:

Rule 12: Bank Robbery

We consider the bank robbery an excellent role play opportunity, its also something that requires a lot of planning to successfully get the gold out of the bank and over to the cash for gold shop.

12A). There needs to be 10 cops online otherwise it wont work

12B) RDM is eased inside the compound and in police chases, if negotiations fail or do not happen then of course there is going to be a shootout.

12C) VDM is still a ban-able offence, this is a server rule so also apply's to the bank robbery.

12D) If the police send in a negotiator you can either engage in role-play or decline, do not kill the negotiator or attempt to kidnap them, The negotiation is a good opportunity to role-play with the police rather than always have a shootout.

So by my book the only place you can get away with RDM before negotiations have been attempted is inside the compound and in any chases preceding the robbery. ANYONE seen shooting someone else outside of the compound before negotiations are attempted should be be classed as an RDMer and banned.

Therefore the police can completely surround the compound, and end up winning. 

 

[PLF Wolf]

There should be an area like the red zone green zone and blue zone,, the bank zone in which we can shoot in to solve vladics post, as how it looks police can shoot in but we cant which is ubsurd

 

[fuckThisImOut]

I understand what your saying, I do. But at the end of the you know the rules so I'm sure you can think of something, anyone engaged in the bank robbery is rp'ing technically, that is if they are covering or blowing the vault.

I haven't done that many robberies but we have been 50% successful. We aren't greedy, we get what we can and that's that. If you have ifrits it is easy to make way with a million for yourself.

Also, when I said stall them I meant to stall them until you are ready to make a move. The negotiator is actually a big advantage to the rebels if used properly. If there is no negotiator then there is 1 more fighter and zero chance of delaying a gun fight and immediately you are rushed into a full on war.

It is possible to make good money from robberies if done right.

Im not going to go into specific tactics though .

The main thing though is RP. Its all about the RP and as that can also mean your character wanting to strike it rich with a fool proof heist there isn't many options to change the meta regarding the bank. It is a difficult subject to control.

That being said I personally do feel sometimes that the police don't value their lives quite as much as they should.

That also being said the police have to do everything in their power to stop you. Setting up on the hills is an obvious method of area control, you just have to account for it, try some new strategies.

If you really want to rp the whole thing you are guns need some strong terms of negotiation. If the police think they can rescue the hostages safely with minimal risk then of course they will try which will lead to a firefight and rp is lost.

omg I write too much on this phone lel.

IMO ..

 

[CreatorChris]

No RP from ur part either, and I saw u guys getting into position to snipe etc. you also had guns for it. The no RP part from you where u just took my gun because "I had it out" which I never did was also poor, complaining about poor RP when u guys also did perform no RP is quite the double morale?

 Explain how we could RP when we show up and cant see anyone then randomly officers get killed from out of nowhere Kris could see us but he didn't bother to try involve himself in RP with us the fact that no lethal had been used as of up to this point mean we was only using rubber bullets until a cop was shot at so Kris basically thought oh look police i was RP ill just shoot and kill them and when i did get the chance to see him i RP'd and he didn't bother to RP he just shot me.

 

[CreatorChris]

Just for clarity here are the current bank rules:

Rule 12: Bank Robbery

We consider the bank robbery an excellent role play opportunity, its also something that requires a lot of planning to successfully get the gold out of the bank and over to the cash for gold shop.

12A). There needs to be 10 cops online otherwise it wont work

12B) RDM is eased inside the compound and in police chases, if negotiations fail or do not happen then of course there is going to be a shootout.

12C) VDM is still a ban-able offence, this is a server rule so also apply's to the bank robbery.

12D) If the police send in a negotiator you can either engage in role-play or decline, do not kill the negotiator or attempt to kidnap them, The negotiation is a good opportunity to role-play with the police rather than always have a shootout.

So by my book the only place you can get away with RDM before negotiations have been attempted is inside the compound and in any chases preceding the robbery. ANYONE seen shooting someone else outside of the compound before negotiations are attempted should be be classed as an RDMer and banned.

^^^ outisde of the compound i was 700m outside of the compound we was about to send in a negotiator but before we had the chance we was RDM'd by Kris.

 

[unconnected]

CreatorChris, considering this thread had died and you're now rezzing it with accusations, how about you put up some evidence or just leave it out eh? This is supposed to be a constructive, adult community and just flinging accusations without any evidence without them is just stirring, so cut it out.

 

[PLF Grannez]

^^^ outisde of the compound i was 700m outside of the compound we was about to send in a negotiator but before we had the chance we was RDM'd by Kris.

And cops had gotten a warning that anyone within x would die, so you did not get rdm'ed at all.

 

[Crispy]

And cops had gotten a warning that anyone within x would die, so you did not get rdm'ed at all.

1.5km exactly

 

[Kris!]

 Explain how we could RP when we show up and cant see anyone then randomly officers get killed from out of nowhere Kris could see us but he didn't bother to try involve himself in RP with us the fact that no lethal had been used as of up to this point mean we was only using rubber bullets until a cop was shot at so Kris basically thought oh look police i was RP ill just shoot and kill them and when i did get the chance to see him i RP'd and he didn't bother to RP he just shot me.

Now I remember, you run up the top of the hill, restrain one of our guys at the bank job, move him to another location, already have been warned that we have no reason to negotiate and expect to be welcomed with Tea and Biscuits?

If you want to discuss role play, let's take the bank job a few days for example. No weapons at all, suddenly applications are thrown out that we're all wearing rebel gear, despite us actually wearing engineer clothes and base ball caps & Vlad in a suit and tie.

We're advised that we'll be searched upon exiting and entering the bank & and out of nowhere, despite no hostility, a warning message to the police, no firearms and nothing but absolute role play, a hunter joins the ride, limiting us to 20 km/h causing desync resulting in the death of myself driving the HEMTT.

We try to role play, police won't let us win, we try to shoot them, we get forum posts and accusations of RDM.

The ironic part, I spoke to Maratek about this incident - to which he claims the only way you're going to be able to take gold out of a bank is by killing the police as there's absolutely no reason for anyone to go inside of the compound if not the intention to steal gold.

^^^ outisde of the compound i was 700m outside of the compound we was about to send in a negotiator but before we had the chance we was RDM'd by Kris.

'Setting up rifles, with a negotiator'. Good effort.

 

[Stee]

Can a rule be placed where neither cops or robbers are allowed show any force outside of the compound without the negotiations finishing first. Example cops have to Keep a distance of 1k from compound?