ANPR / No number plate

[Yelanis]

On my R34 I have the option to pay to have them removed at LS Customs just like adding a upgrade or respraying so it isn't a bug unless its something that was supposed to be removed but remained for a few vehicles.

I also have the option to remove my front licence plate on my Evo. 

+1 on this, no plates = no plate recognition. It's how it works, so it makes more sense to have it in rp too - not to mention if the police get your car on the speedo thing and you don't have one - is that not powergaming to some extent? (could be wrong on that one though)

 

[Paru]

+1 on this, no plates = no plate recognition. It's how it works, so it makes more sense to have it in rp too - not to mention if the police get your car on the speedo thing and you don't have one - is that not powergaming to some extent? (could be wrong on that one though)

As per Recon's post on the ANPR changes suggestion a while back in December 2021 any vehicles without plates need to be reported under the bug reports section so they can be added to those vehicles, every vehicle must have a plate and any motorised vehicle can be scanned by ANPR (Within reason) I can see your POV on this regarding powergaming but if vehicles not having plates is a bug surely you saying "My car doesn't have a plate" or "my car isn't registered" would constitute powergaming as you're attempting to force a situation in your favour, I understand that ANPR is a VERY powerful tool, but the majority of the LSPS don't utilise it to it's fullest extent and even if they did, steal a local car like everyone else does (Sultan's usually)

I do think the server meta is now slowly shifting towards perhaps having a suggestion for Fake Plates that when ANPR'd will come back to a random local car or something similar, but not no plates at all

 

[Yelanis]

urely you saying "My car doesn't have a plate" or "my car isn't registered" would constitute powergaming as you're attempting to force a situation in your favour,

100% - It can go both ways in this scenario. 

any vehicles without plates need to be reported under the bug reports section so they can be added to those vehicles

Like stated above, there is an option to remove it on the front of my car. If it has the back ones (which it does) is this still a bug or is it just extra customisation for Los Santos customs?

I do think the server meta is now slowly shifting towards perhaps having a suggestion for Fake Plates that when ANPR'd will come back to a random local car or something similar, but not no plates at all

I also would like to 1+ this suggestion also. The idea of fake plates locating back to locals is a really good idea

 

[Zeus0x00]

Need confirmation from Devs as to if this is a bug or not. These cars come with plates by default but there is the option to remove them at LS Customs so to me it doesn't seem like a bug unless the option to remove them was supposed to be removed.

 

[TinyBigJacko]

Need confirmation from Devs as to if this is a bug or not. These cars come with plates by default but there is the option to remove them at LS Customs so to me it doesn't seem like a bug unless the option to remove them was supposed to be removed.

Would you mind posting me a pic of this 'option to remove' - I want to see if how it's worded and whether it's a specific thing for certain specific vehicles (i.e by design of the car-mod author where we sourced it from) or all vehicles, etc.

 

[Yelanis]

Would you mind posting me a pic of this 'option to remove' - I want to see if how it's worded and whether it's a specific thing for certain specific vehicles (i.e by design of the car-mod author where we sourced it from) or all vehicles, etc.

Here is what I can see -

 

Two options - one with and one without

 

[Raz]

Would you mind posting me a pic of this 'option to remove' - I want to see if how it's worded and whether it's a specific thing for certain specific vehicles (i.e by design of the car-mod author where we sourced it from) or all vehicles, etc.

https://imgur.com/a/HT3ZrEE this is the upgrade that removes the rear plate on the Yamaha R1, default r1 comes with a plate

 

[TinyBigJacko]

Here is what I can see -

 Two options - one with and one without

https://imgur.com/a/HT3ZrEE this is the upgrade that removes the rear plate on the Yamaha R1, default r1 comes with a plate

Thanks guys,

OK, as I feared, these aren't really intentional (at least not by us), though the original mod author's might well have meant it as options. They've not managed to make the Menu entries really signal it clearly, which is why we've probably missed it in development our side (this crap is buried away deep, and really honestly, sometimes we don't have time to delve into the absolute darkest corners of every mod we're able to get on the server).

I'm not going to make any promises about whether ANPR will 'skip' these vehicles, because the bottom line is, the way our ANPR cams work, they will always see a plate.

Spoiler Alert: They're basically smoke and mirrors. The presence of the vehicle close to a camera is what triggers them, and it simply pulls the plate number from the metafile embedded in the vehicle code. There is no line of sight. There is no 'raytracing'. It's videogame sleight-of-hand, not an actual forward-looking ANPR cam, sadly.

Making the ANPR cam code 'special case' these vehicles, would first mean a full audit of all the vehicles on the server to find out which ones had this 'feature', and that's not a job I can spare anyone for at the moment. Maybe the community can crowdsource that info? It would still then need a rewrite of the cams to accommodate it, and given that they are going to change a bit in the future when/if we get false plates in as a thing, it might be better to leave it until that time to actually implement any change. But it'd be nice to have the data on what vehicle customisations cause plates to be missing.

Bear in mind though, we're probably not going to go to the lengths of determining your direction to the camera, so even if you have no front plate, if you have a back plate, the ANPR cam (which is a virtual 360° view) would still catch you on the drive away anyway, IRL. Same for bikes with no front-plate ever.

And in reality, having no plates at both front and rear on a car or truck would be an offence under UK law anyway, and would be cause for concern (and a traffic stop) if seen on any mobile ANPR, and would flag up even on the static cams (but obviously you'd be gone by the time an officer responded, unless they were right nearby anyway).

So it's questionable whether it's really worth going to town on this just yet. We've had a backburner idea for false-plates for a long-assed time, right down to who makes 'em, what with, how it's hidden, types of plate (a fake local plate, a fake RPUK-style plate, or a fake actual-other-character's-existing-plate for maximum disruption and shizzles), VIN numbers on cars that can only be read right up close, etc but it is still just that - a backburner idea. One day... but I'm not going to crank up the hype train by even hazarding a guess when.

So - for now - bear in mind that 'invisible plates' are not a thing, and you will be ANPRed. At least until further notice. Sorry.

 

[Nikolai]

just to also confirm it by mr Recon himself as i asked him 

 

[Zeus0x00]

Thank you for clearing that up The fake plates sounds like an amazing idea too!

 

[Zeus0x00]

Nissan GT-R R34

Front Plate
Interior > Plaques > Remove Rear Plate

Back Plate
Plates > Vanity Plates > Remove Front Plate


Maybe we could start a thread in the relevant section and have the community post what cars they know have the option to have removeable plates.

Edit: Should I add my plates back or is it ok to not have them just for the cosmetic value?

 

[Paru]

So it's questionable whether it's really worth going to town on this just yet. We've had a backburner idea for false-plates for a long-assed time, right down to who makes 'em, what with, how it's hidden, types of plate (a fake local plate, a fake RPUK-style plate, or a fake actual-other-character's-existing-plate for maximum disruption and shizzles), VIN numbers on cars that can only be read right up close, etc but it is still just that - a backburner idea. One day... but I'm not going to crank up the hype train by even hazarding a guess when.

I have put forward a suggestion for Fake/False plates with some basic ideas to how/where they are made I also have a good idea on the materials required to make them as well and in that suggestion I included a couple other bits and pieces, I have a clearer picture of how in my opinion these plates should look when the LSPS look at them and the tell tale signs for the LSPS (for example when you have fake plates on you but not fitted to the car they will show as "Number Plates" in your inventory so if the LSPS search you it opens a new line of enquiry/RP with the cops, if the dev team need more from me I can happily provide

 

[1A3]

Rejected​

Rejected due to it still being classed as a bug.​