About the "donate to "charity" to get unbanned" discussion

[The Freeb]

As some of you might know, Fuel made a thread where he said goodbye to the community, here: http://www.altislife.co.uk/topic/39333-farewell/ This however, sparked several arguments about how you can donate to a good cause to get unbanned. So i thought it would be better to just make a separate post about this. First of all: i think people are completely misinterpreting this. It is not just an easy way to get unbanned for anyone with money. It is a special opportunity for those that broke the rules in a way that makes them deserving of a permabann. I don't think this is unfair at all, because the people who are offered this opportunity deserved to be perma'd in the first place, and are now offered a way to show that they care about this community and want to spend more time here, without breaking the rules. Besides that: all of this money goes to charity, if people are willing to donate to charity to stay on the server, let them, if others can't/won't then so be it. Now if you agree with this is completely up to you, i just wanted to bring some clarity on how i personally think how this opportunity should be interpreted. Please let me know why you agree/disagree in a constructive manner. 

 

[Wilco]

Firstly i haven't seen any "shitfest" but thanks for your post and let me expand on why I decided this course of action

Please first understand that these members should be gone, Vanished from the community and forgot about!

Instead I felt an account reset would be a good thing to do based on the fact these members have been here for a long time, However that takes work, a lot of work! so a small donation to charity i felt would be a very warm thing to do (£5 - What can you get for £5 these days ?) Plus we are helping out charitys which makes a good thing come out these guys bad actions!

If people are causing a shitfest about donation to charity after exploiting then would you rather us perm ban long time members ?

 

[The Freeb]

Firstly i haven't seen any "shitfest" but thanks for your post and let me expand on why I decided this course of action

Please first understand that these members should be gone, Vanished from the community and forgot about!

Instead I felt an account reset would be a good thing to do based on the fact these members have been here for a long time, However that takes work, a lot of work! so a small donation to charity i felt would be a very warm thing to do (£5 - What can you get for £5 these days ?) Plus we are helping out charitys which makes a good thing come out these guys bad actions!

A shitfest is definitely a bit of an overstatement, i edited the post with something a little more fitting.

 

[Wilco]

@The Freeb

No worries, i seen what you seen, It was basically 3 people (2 of them whos gang were blanket banned for advertising) and the other person who i guess jumped on the bandwagon and didn't see it for what is actually is.

 

[DainMK]

Although this Community means the world to me, at the end of the day we are 'just another community' out of millions worldwide. The impact we have on the world outside our own sphere of influence is very small. Bans may seem like the end of the world to some, being RDM'd might be the worst thing people have experienced in their last month, but adding up all these small donations given as part of certain unban appeals can have a real life-changing difference to those who are disadvantaged, starving, or otherwise in real trouble. This money could save lives.

Although yes, some people might not like the dynamic of it all, but it does more for the world than playing Altis does. And I think a community that helps more than itself, through whatever means, is a just an honourable thing to do. Another reason I'm proud to be a part of ALUK. 

I trust Wilco's judgement on when it is appropriate to offer this solution, and I rest assured that the really toxic players will never receive this option. 2 cents.

 

[Ult1mateSlayer]

Although I agree with the money being a donation to charity and that it's no personal gain by any one person but for a good cause, I feel that it shouldn't be the go to requirement for those who have broken rules which are without appeal. I understand that in some cases it's the best course of action for someone who has been here for a long time, put a lot of their own time and effort into helping the community and police/NHS or gangs when they could've spent the majority of their time walking a thin line on what's against the rules and what's not and I agree with the entire thing.

I know I don't have to mention it at all but someone will sooner or later, it can't be a get out of jail free card for everyone who has been here for over a year and only just decided to mow down 40 people in Kavala because their hair didn't look as good as they wanted on that particular day, there has to be limits and restrictions and definitely just a one time only deal. Yes, it would mean more money going to charities but there comes a point where it could become ridiculous and everybody is getting off with their crimes on the server because they know they can put a few quid to a charity and go back to being a douche.

 

[Samatlewis]

I completely support the donate to a charity opportunity of getting unbanned from a permanent banned. People who ahve broken rules which warrent permabans should be gone as Wilco stated, however this is an opportunity that can be taken to show that people are willing to to good and be good in order to stay in this community. It's not as if this goes into the communitys pocket, or anywhere it won't help charitywise.

If people can't pay it due to IRL problems (no access to debit card/credit card, financial difficulty) then that is 'their own problem' as they, otherwise wouldn't be able to play here anyway, due to their permaban. 

With regards to not having access to a credit/debit card, i'm sure it would be suffice to show a picture/video/GIF of said person putting money in a charity box, possibly?

Possibly proof of doing good in the local community would also be suffice as this is considered 'charity work' also perhaps? Volunteering for a day with picture evidence so forth, just to prove how willing and deserving said person is for their unban?

To conclude, it is a gift to be offered such terms on getting unbanned from a permanent ban.

 

[Gord]

I have noticed quite a debate on this and I would just like to give my opinion , this should not be as huge as a issue as everyone is making it out to be. If I was given the option if I was every to be faced with a perma-ban and I was given the option to pay to keep playing in this community, I would do it. I have read they have 6 months to pay it if given the option, and I feel as if this amount of time is generous considering a permanent ban could mean just that, permanent. So please keep in mind the people who get banned off this server are not bad people but made bad choices and are being given a opportunity to redeem their bad actions with a good action. I support this option and in my opinion it's not pay to play since it does not go to Wilco or any of the staff. It goes to cancer research, children in need and many other good causes. 

 

[Simen]

Yes donating to charity is a good thing, however donating for charity should be something you want to do, not something you are forced to do if you want to play here again..

 

[Daanish]

I initially was against this idea, however, reading some of the replies on this thread have changed my views. I still have a split mind though.

 

[Mr Cardoso]

Yes donating to charity is a good thing, however donating for charity should be something you want to do, not something you are forced to do if you want to play here again..

We don't force you do donate to charity, we give you a change to give back and be good to other people, nothing to do with the community.

Also, this is for special cases, we will not give this chance to toxic players and to be honest, you were permanent banned so you shouldn't come back anyway. We are doing them a favor and all we ask is to help people in need.

 

[BratJaggesVlnd]

Yes donating to charity is a good thing, however donating for charity should be something you want to do, not something you are forced to do if you want to play here again..

There is no bad way of donating to charity. And I literally can't see the problem here, these people were gonna be permanetly banned anyway, this way they atleast have a chance of playing here again.

It honestly confuses me how anyone can see anything bad with this. 

 

[blaze1981]

if making someones life who is less fortunate than yourselves a little more bearable, then im all for it, 

 

[DR Milo]

I don't understand what the problem is. It's a fantastic way to help people in need

 

[Jimmyy]

It shows the severs view on not wanting to profit from players getting banned. Which is pretty cool

 

[DainMK]

I can completely understand the opinions held by some that "being forced" to give to charity is wrong. I think there is confusion. "Being forced" to give to charity is not charitable or selfless, but it is still going to do the same amount of good. Almost like being made to right a wrong, like community service in a way. It's not volunteer work, it may have been imposed by a judge, but it still does good. Murderers will still get sent to jail, but vandals have the option to help. If they don't, then jail it is.

 

[The Young Levi]

It's baffling to me how some people think this is forced? you don't have to donate! nobody is forcing you at all! its not as if wilco is sat behind someone holding a gun to your head saying donate or ill shoot is it! as that would be forced. people who are given this option are lucky to even have the option as for all intents and purposes they shouldn't even be here, so it should be counted as a blessing that they are given a second chance!

Just my opinion on the whole thing.

 

[EM]

I think by doing something bad, you can do something good and maybe save peoples lifes.