Revert some of the changes to Pillbox

[Doctor Box]

Brief Summary: It has been a while since the pillbox changes and people have had the chance to get a feeling for them and get used to it. I believe some of the changes should be reverted as they have taken away a lot of RP that happened inside of pillbox.

Detailed Suggestion:
- Bring back the local doctor at upper pillbox, a lot of people haven't realized that you are still able to clock in at upper through the front desk and now that people have to check in downstairs all the NHS that are usually hanging out at upper pillbox no longer have the opportunity to see someone walk in with an injured person and give them treatment instead of having them go to the local doctor.

And yes you could argue that the NHS should just wait at lower then but you need to remember that it is a cramped space and isn't really designed for treating patients on the spot like the upstairs is.

- Have people be checked into ward A again when incapacitated, one thing I often saw when this was the case was that people would go visit their injured friends that were receiving treatment and would either have a laugh or do some RP whilst they wait to be fully treated by the locals. One of the arguments I was given when I first heard about people not going into ward A anymore was to prevent people from getting kicked/stabbed whilst in the beds. However I believe this is an issue that can easily be dealt with by G6/PD and shouldn't need any changes implemented by developers to fix.

- This one might be a little controversial, but the speed of the CCTV at pillbox is far too slow. As it stands right now you could manage to pull a gun and shoot someone in the head and get away before you're caught by the CCTV, making it go off faster would have people think twice about pulling a weapon and trying to attack someone

I do think that the new public wards should be kept in the case that ward A becomes flooded after a large mass casualty incident (like how people couldn't check in during the purge for example) so it is easier for people to be moved into the local wards when the NHS are low on numbers and incredibly overwhelmed and they should be opened up to the public so when your friends are checked into that ward you can still go see them and RP with them.

The Pros: The amount of RP in pillbox will increase and despite potentially attracting more trouble to the hospital due to the increased traffic, it would also be a place where staff can easily find trolls who are just here for trouble.
Newer players that are unfamiliar with elevators will also struggle less with getting out of the public wards when they've been treated.

The Cons: People loitering at pillbox will increase again, however this could be dealt with through RP instead of staff which could decrease the pressure on the staff team and increase the RP you can have at the hospital.

I would love to see your opinions on these points and if you have an idea that I haven't mentioned feel free to bring it up

 

[cvppa]

pls

 

[IAaronI]

I miss the old pillbox, the always good mood pillbox. I hate the new pillbox, always rude pillbox.

Major +1

 

[MartinShipman11]

Massive +1 for this. Pillbox was a great hub for RP in the past. Would like to actually park safely outside Pillbox if I have to deliver my pals there without having to run all the way up the street too, maybe move the bollards to be closer to the doors?

 

[Samuel Shire]

Massive +1 for this. Pillbox was a great hub for RP in the past. Would like to actually park safely outside Pillbox if I have to deliver my pals there without having to run all the way up the street too, maybe move the bollards to be closer to the doors?

its not supposed to be a social gathering RP hub tho, its meant to be go there drop off someone leave then to RP with the nhs and come back it dont need all the people who used to loiter there and cause chaos, before these changes it would be lucky to see more than 3 nhs clocked on some nights and now there is sometimes 15+, and a good chunk of that is because pillbox is now not a chaotic mess and easy to work at, tbf if it reverted then all i imagine is nhs go back to non active and everyone moans theres no nhs but brilliant everyone can loiter at a hospital again, theres bars and clubs and resteraunts to go socalise in

 

[Mason Edge]

Massive +1 for this. Pillbox was a great hub for RP in the past. Would like to actually park safely outside Pillbox if I have to deliver my pals there without having to run all the way up the street too, maybe move the bollards to be closer to the doors?

I believe the changes were for the NHS as Pillbox, whilst at times great for rp, too many people would loiter there and cause absolute havoc.

Samuel Shire actually collected data from the CCTV Dispatches to G6/Police and one time over 300 weapons were spotted in Pillbox one week alone and it was absolutely crazy.

G6 practically had to live there and not do other contracts because we'd have NHS on our freq requesting us at Pillbox often pulling us away from other jobs. G6 tried to stay on top of it but due to how bogged down the Police was back then with other dispatches like panics, bank alarms, shop alarms, reported gunshots, and drug deals, etc. we'd detain people and 8/10 times had to let them go as G6 has no power to issue fines or arrest people. The only time we'd have luck was if PSU was deployed there or a probationary constable came with a training officer to tick off their ODP.

It got so bad the Judicary had to make any criminal offense commited at Pillbox resulted in x3 the sentence/fine, which I'll be honest Police never really enforced it as they believe it was crazy charging someone lets say 150 months for just having a bladed article in a public place.

Not to mention the RP there at times was far from satisfactory to put it lightly - whenever G6 intervened to kick people out we'd get "Fuck off G6" or the classic "Wag one free my guy" and stabbing us for literally escorting someone out of the building. Personally even when Pillbox was busy I avoided it unless G6 genuiunely needed support down there.

Obviously this is my experience from running G6 not from the staff team pov

 

[Tommo]

I agree, Pillbox has died... They old way creates more RP, get enough cops/g6 around to deal with the trouble.

 

[qaws]

I believe the changes were for the NHS as Pillbox, whilst at times great for rp, too many people would loiter there and cause absolute havoc.

Samuel Shire actually collected data from the CCTV Dispatches to G6/Police and one time over 300 weapons were spotted in Pillbox one week alone and it was absolutely crazy.

G6 practically had to live there and not do other contracts because we'd have NHS on our freq requesting us at Pillbox often pulling us away from other jobs. G6 tried to stay on top of it but due to how bogged down the Police was back then with other dispatches like panics, bank alarms, shop alarms, reported gunshots, and drug deals, etc. we'd detain people and 8/10 times had to let them go as G6 has no power to issue fines or arrest people. The only time we'd have luck was if PSU was deployed there or a probationary constable came with a training officer to tick off their ODP.

It got so bad the Judicary had to make any criminal offense commited at Pillbox resulted in x3 the sentence/fine, which I'll be honest Police never really enforced it as they believe it was crazy charging someone lets say 150 months for just having a bladed article in a public place.

Not to mention the RP there at times was far from satisfactory to put it lightly - whenever G6 intervened to kick people out we'd get "Fuck off G6" or the classic "Wag one free my guy" and stabbing us for literally escorting someone out of the building. Personally even when Pillbox was busy I avoided it unless G6 genuiunely needed support down there.

Obviously this is my experience from running G6 not from the staff team pov

The problem is, you're saying it as a bad thing. I actually liked the interactions that we as G6 had at pillbox. Subpar RP you'll find anywhere, not just there. But the other points you're mentioning are a good thing, no? How many CCTV dispatches do you see now? In my eyes it hasn't moved the RP, it's diminished it. A great loss.

 

[Mason Edge]

The problem is, you're saying it as a bad thing. I actually liked the interactions that we as G6 had at pillbox. Subpar RP you'll find anywhere, not just there. But the other points you're mentioning are a good thing, no? How many CCTV dispatches do you see now? In my eyes it hasn't moved the RP, it's diminished it. A great loss.

You might have found the RP fun as G6 but that doesn't mean the rest of them did.

If a G6 Officer stuck by their char backstory and didn't want to be corrupt they be in a constant loop of detaining -> contacting police -> letting go due to lack of response from police. Repeat that multiple times on the same group coming back for no reason other than to annoy people and it gets stale very quickly.

G6 who are more corrupt could technically deal with it by taking matters into their own hands but very few G6 would do that - especially if they created a char backstory protecting the prime minister previously or working on an army base as it would make no sense for them to do that.

You see very few dispatches to Pillbox nowadays which means the changes for the NHS worked - you may have enjoyed Pillbox but NHS probably hated it there are too many people would interrupt their roleplay. Don't forget these changes were made for the NHS at the end of the day.

G6 now have more variety of jobs which encourage roleplay not just feeling like beating up baldies so I'll hop on as G6.

 

[Deacon]

The problem is, you're saying it as a bad thing. I actually liked the interactions that we as G6 had at pillbox. Subpar RP you'll find anywhere, not just there. But the other points you're mentioning are a good thing, no? How many CCTV dispatches do you see now? In my eyes it hasn't moved the RP, it's diminished it. A great loss.

I personally enjoyed Pillbox at times, if it was quiet and there wasn't much going on, at least there was always something going on there. But overall, I would say Pillbox was horrible. Constant people just taking the piss, testing the limits on what they can do before we step in, getting shot over dumb shit, baldies, etc.

I agree, Pillbox has died... They old way creates more RP, get enough cops/g6 around to deal with the trouble.

Most G6 didn't really fancy going there unless there was at least 1-2 other officers also around also wanting to go there, it was just aids to go and be there alone - and even as a group, it very often got very annoying due to majority of the time, getting absolutely no, or dogshit RP. You felt more like a teacher trying to keep their kindergarden class in line than a security officer.

G6 now have more variety of jobs which encourage roleplay not just feeling like beating up baldies so I'll hop on as G6.

This is kind of what makes it all worthwhile, the new options we have provide a lot more variety in RP, a lot more variety in what you do, and makes it a whole lot more fun to be G6. Thanks to all the new options we have as G6, I've been very excited to hop on G6 because at least for me personally, the average RP I get now on G6 compared to 6 months ago is universes apart.

Because of those changes, I personally don't really miss Pillbox. I do think it might've been a tiny bit overkill, and maybe its too dead now. It would be nice to still be able to go there sometimes but these days theres almost nothing to do there because Pillbox has just gotten that quiet - but I still prefer this over the old setup, by a huge margin.

 

[Bmav]

Imo pillbox had good RP potential the way it was yes sometimes weapons were branded but lets be honest that will and does still happen and the contermesure of 3* de sentence + the cameras was a good fix, regardless dont think just because some bollards got added it changes that fact, the only thing the bollards and all these pillbox changes done is make pillbox a get treated and get the fuck out without having anyone there and be a empty husk of what it used to be, yes people loitered sometimes, yes people met there etc.. but honestly that is the essence of RP and if a certain amount of people are annoyed at the fact that they wanted diffrent RP so lets add bollards and make pillbox a Prison 2.0 than i dont know what to tell you.
Regardless of what you think a place where people meet up is the defenition of RP creating the opposing scenario is just destroying that, now you going to say G6 had to spend their lives there etc.. that is the purpose of G6 they are private security it makes sense xd the only diffrence of back then to now is that G6 instead of camping the hospital are camping the Farmacys so maybe we should put bollards at farmacys aswell yhe ?
The mentality of, oh we not liking any existing RP in this area so lets make it an impregnable fortress dont make any sense to me regardless of where it is, especially considering the fact Pillbox somehow looks more like a fortress than the police station does at this point.

 

[Deacon]

Imo pillbox had good RP potential the way it was yes sometimes weapons were branded but lets be honest that will and does still happen and the contermesure of 3* de sentence + the cameras was a good fix, regardless dont think just because some bollards got added it changes that fact, the only thing the bollards and all these pillbox changes done is make pillbox a get treated and get the fuck out without having anyone there and be a empty husk of what it used to be, yes people loitered sometimes, yes people met there etc.. but honestly that is the essence of RP and if a certain amount of people are annoyed at the fact that they wanted diffrent RP so lets add bollards and make pillbox a Prison 2.0 than i dont know what to tell you.
Regardless of what you think a place where people meet up is the defenition of RP creating the opposing scenario is just destroying that, now you going to say G6 had to spend their lives there etc.. that is the purpose of G6 they are private security it makes sense xd the only diffrence of back then to now is that G6 instead of camping the hospital are camping the Farmacys so maybe we should put bollards at farmacys aswell yhe ?
The mentality of, oh we not liking any existing RP in this area so lets make it an impregnable fortress dont make any sense to me regardless of where it is, especially considering the fact Pillbox somehow looks more like a fortress than the police station does at this point.

You say, as someone that didn't have to be there for the entire time they were IC, because the second you leave, 5 minutes later you get a radio from NHS asking for assistance because baldy #15123 is now punching them.

As I said, Pillbox was fun at times, and it being an epicentre for activity was definitely also quite nice - but it just got way too bad.

People didn't care about the *3 fine/sentence, police didn't enforce it, thus, people weren't scared off by it. The CCTV also offers very little against it.

G6 has more jobs than purely security for the hospital, it just appeared that way because we always had to be there, we didn't have time for anything else. We now have more time to spend time at prison, spend time at court, deal with dispatches. We have more variety in our RP.

As I said in my previous post, I do think it might've been a bit overdone, because its turned Pillbox from super busy to a ghost town, and it would've been nicer to have it somewhere inbetween the two - but the way it was was just not fun for NHS or G6, most of the time.