What happened to the little bad guys?

[PeachMaster]

A person who has been on both sides of the factions i have seen role play degrade and improve and it's ups and downs, being here for so long has given me the ability to notice things.. things like.. what happened to the remaining government rules we have on the island? I'm of course referring to the Altis Police Handbook rules,  personally i feel that the role play has degraded to some degree, the main and most charges that are given out by police officers these days are the common Murders... what happened to Vandalism? Verbal Assaults? Resisting arrest etc? Public Orders acts?  and my favorite.. Road Traffic acts. 

I understand it's a stressful job but being gun happy is a very very bad way to improve you relations with the public, it feels like a lot of the newer officers tend to  bash the public because they failed as civilians/rebels. I remember when veteran police officers talked to you and went trough pros and cons of your crime and came to a justified sentence,  i remember when  the times you where pissed in role play and veteran officers understood that i demanded role play and it was not personal attacks towards the players. I remember when marshal law would be triggered to detain that one DANGEROUS civilian! I remember the Public announcement (Admin Messages) warning the public about events that are transpiring or about to happen!  That is the police force i remember and love! 

Why is killing civilian  such a competitive mode? Self achievement? 

And on a personal note this one is bothering VERY VERY MUCH, what happened to my rights!? Me being arrested ends up with police officer saying this: HE HAS FRIENDS MOVE HIM TO HQ NOW!! Boom, prison............

Don't get me wrong! I'm not bashing our beloved police officers.. it's just feels like where ever i look a person is being charged by the same thing, over and over, and it's murder.. or police murder... what happened to the good old tickets? The good old 1 hour talk to avoid a 150 quid ticket for vandalism? 

And let me end this with a question COMMUNITY: When was the last time you got tazed? 

Thanks, PeachMaster.

 

[PaulS]

Couldn't agree more with everything you've stated. A lot of newer players to the server that joined the cops that i've patrolled with always want to catch players killing or doing drugs and will overlook people with small bounties for petty crimes when scanning a car, such a pet peeve for myself these days and i've voiced this but nothing seems to be done about it.

 

[Jamz]

And let me end this with a question COMMUNITY: When was the last time you got tazed? 

Yesterday. Point blank tazer into my chest when I was standing there asking why I needed to put my hands on my head immediately for inspecting my small licensed firearm... 

edit; The PC that tazed me point blank for doing nothing wrong also had 2 PCSO's with him... HA, brilliant job... teach the new guys how to be an overly aggressive cop.... *sigh*.

 

[PLF Grannez]

I still dont get why lockpicking is the same as killing someone..

 

[Cao Yun]

When I was mayor I personally enjoined walking around and having people fined for not paying their television license. I agree and we need more small things! Details make up a big picture.

 

[Salty]

I totally agree , i also been on both ends.

but 6 out of 10 times , i try to roleplay with people and then get a salty repsonse because they're in handcuffs.

I'm naming 1 incident what happend at the weed processor , i restrain a guy thats there and i comeback to him after i checked the area.

Only thing he says is why he is in restrains and that im a pig etc.

Again this isnt one sided , especially me , i deal with people how they deal with me , if theyre being a ***** im being a *****.

If they wanna roleplay i will roleplay with them as long as they want.

 

[Mycaelis]

I still dont get why lockpicking is the same as killing someone..

Technically it's not, ignore the in-game wanted value.
If someone was lock-picking a vehicle but didn't steal it, it'd only warrant a £10k fine.

 

[Motoyo]

I actually prefer the small warrant/charge interactions than the big $2 million bounty/convey drug raids.

Give me a guy without headlights, wrong side of the road, running in traffic, knocking over walls in a car, picking a car, or something minor I can roleplay for a few minutes with any day of the week! Some of my most enjoyable role play was with people with a few petty charges and them explaining away why, while I skeptically believed them and roleplayed out the situation.

I MUCH prefer pulling someone over with a few small crimes, or seeing them on the side of the road and stopping to roleplay, than playing it as a team deathmatch game of Police vs Rebels.
Actually, I prefer it to a fault I guess..as I am the LAST officer to want to use force, deadly or not. which usually gets me shot, as even when I get a guy with a gun pointed at me and yelling "drop your gun or I shoot!" I try to talk my way out of it, vs seeing who is the quicker draw.

We have officers on both sides, it's not as bad as you think. Just the few extremest stand out more as bad apples.

Some I ride with are amazing, and there to give the roleplay impression of "We are here to help and protect, and add color to the server" but some others are "We are here to shoot rebels and give tickets, and I'm all out of tickets".

And same on the other side, Ive had guys with $2 million bounty roleplay out for 15 minutes with us and not a shot fired, and also people with one attempted theft turn into running away 'f*ck the popo!" as his roleplay, and shooting at us directly after.

What DOES bug me, is there is officers only after the 'big fish'. scan a car, he's not in one of the big gangs, or not wanted for a lot of stuff, let the car go..they are prowling for the 'big ticket' items. On the rare occasion when I was a cso/psco Ive had people I was riding with stop mid roleplay with someone petty, because a 'big fish' drives past wanted, telling them "Opps got to go, you are free to go" and driving off, leaving the person standing there confused on what to do...

 

[Tadworth]

I'd like to say, I take pride in making sure that the officers in our constabulary deal with all crimes equally and fairly, If you know anybody who is not providing such a service feel free to let me know, I would like to take this opportunity to say to all those officers who do, you are being noticed and keep up the good work.

In terms of the roleplay degrading, have you not thought that there is a possibility that the amount of crime in general has increased and more people may just be committing the "less common" crimes.

Catching people who have committed crimes such as Vandalism is becoming increasingly harder not only due to the police being overstretched dealing with larger operations, but also the fact that the majority of civilians on the island now choose to run rather than stop. And for a charge as small as vandalism we have to consider the possible danger of having a pursuit as well as the use of valuable resources over the risk of us causing a major RTC or killing ourselves. Police will always terminate a pursuit if it becomes too dangerous or if the crime committed does not warrant the need of a police pursuit.

I would hope that officers are still dealing with any crime appropriately if they can it is their duty after-all.

Hope that helps,
DI Joseph Tadworth. 

 

[Xsum]

Me as an Chief Inspector of Athira has always pointed out to my members that roleplay is the way to go. You can be magic in combat, if you can't roleplay you do not belong in Athira.

Now everyone has he's own way of roleplay, personally I like the small guys and having chat with them (Speeding, no lights etc.) cause that makes me feel I am roleplaying as a British officer (or Dutch).

 

[PeachMaster]

I'd like to say, I take pride in making sure that the officers in our constabulary deal with all crimes equally and fairly, If you know anybody who is not providing such a service feel free to let me know, I would like to take this opportunity to say to all those officers who do, you are being noticed and keep up the good work.

In terms of the roleplay degrading, have you not thought that there is a possibility that the amount of crime in general has increased and more people may just be committing the "less common" crimes.

Catching people who have committed crimes such as Vandalism is becoming increasingly harder not only due to the police being overstretched dealing with larger operations, but also the fact that the majority of civilians on the island now choose to run rather than stop. And for a charge as small as vandalism we have to consider the possible danger of having a pursuit as well as the use of valuable resources over the risk of us causing a major RTC or killing ourselves. Police will always terminate a pursuit if it becomes too dangerous or if the crime committed does not warrant the need of a police pursuit.

I would hope that officers are still dealing with any crime appropriately if they can it is their duty after-all.

Hope that helps,
DI Joseph Tadworth. 

I thank you for your post, i however do not agree with your second statement regarding the crime have increased? 

Where you here when PLF, Syndicate, TI at its peak and GC and oh god.. LOA where active? As a police officer? 

Well i was as a police officer/rebel, i can tell you personally, this is heaven compared to the old days.

 

[Ali E]

I'd like to say, I take pride in making sure that the officers in our constabulary deal with all crimes equally and fairly, If you know anybody who is not providing such a service feel free to let me know, I would like to take this opportunity to say to all those officers who do, you are being noticed and keep up the good work.

In terms of the roleplay degrading, have you not thought that there is a possibility that the amount of crime in general has increased and more people may just be committing the "less common" crimes.

Catching people who have committed crimes such as Vandalism is becoming increasingly harder not only due to the police being overstretched dealing with larger operations, but also the fact that the majority of civilians on the island now choose to run rather than stop. And for a charge as small as vandalism we have to consider the possible danger of having a pursuit as well as the use of valuable resources over the risk of us causing a major RTC or killing ourselves. Police will always terminate a pursuit if it becomes too dangerous or if the crime committed does not warrant the need of a police pursuit.

I would hope that officers are still dealing with any crime appropriately if they can it is their duty after-all.

Hope that helps,
DI Joseph Tadworth. 

Maybe officers should start using more rubbers and tazers. And chase people who have commited small crimes other than going on AR/NIU patrols trying to kill and stop every drug convoy etc.

 

[Delta]

As someone who has been in the police through all the patches of big gangs coming up and going down, I have to admit, we are on a low as far as large established gang crime goes. However there has been a rise in 'hobo' gang crime or gangs that are smaller in number but do have access to larger caliber guns. At the moment we are dealing with numerous calls about smaller crimes like armed robbery, theft and murder (small relative to what is used to be).

As for people dealing with the smaller crimes, It really depends on how the day has gone, some are less busy then others. One thing rebels don't know is when we are inundated with 999 dispatch calls and whispers from other officers. To them it may look like we are scanning their car, see they are wanted for attempted vehicle theft or other smaller crimes and continue driving, but most of the time we are responding to a dispatch/ or call for backup somewhere else. Or even the the possibility we have drive 13km to send someone to prison. You can imagine ones enthusiasm may drop when they have to bring someone 13km to prison for not paying a small fine (too big for holding cell).

But as I have said before, it really depends how busy we are with calls.

EDIT:

As for Ali E's comment, we are going after drugs a lot more lately as it is the main means of obtaining money that is 90% of the time used on funding further crime. So pardon us on trying to reduce crime as a whole. As for non-lethal rounds, they only work on isolated individuals at close range, not the most common setting of a gunfight.

 

[Tadworth]

Maybe officers should start using more rubbers and tazers. And chase people who have commited small crimes other than going on AR/NIU patrols trying to kill and stop every drug convoy etc.

I appreciate you comment, you have to realize the police don't have any policy stating what rifle / ammunition the officer should use in any situation. When you have a situation unfolding in front of you and you have a split second to make a decision about how you are going to deal with it you use whatever you have in your hands, it's not a case of "Hmm, I think I'll use rubbers here so that he doesn't get back up and I can appropriate arrest him", its more like "He's got a gun!" and because of that we make sure they are put down in any way possible.

And chase people who have commited small crimes

"And for a charge as small as vandalism we have to consider the possible danger of having a pursuit as well as the use of valuable resources over the risk of us causing a major RTC or killing ourselves. Police will always terminate a pursuit if it becomes too dangerous or if the crime committed does not warrant the need of a police pursuit.", My response to this was in my first post.

going on AR/NIU patrols trying to kill and stop every drug convoy etc.

These patrols are only carried out when they are necessary and there are certain rules regarding when they can and cannot happen, we don't just have a AR patrol because they want to kill people, its to do the same job as normal officers with more firepower to combat people who may be better equipped. Like I said in my OP, we treat all crime the same and if you are committing crime, we will do everything we can to stop it. Be it killing somebody, arresting, tazing, rubber bulleting, shouting or even just standing there whether we catch you or not, the crime has stopped.

In the future, please think about the job we as Police are being asked to do. Do you expect us to think of all this in the seconds before we shoot somebody? I know I don't.

 

[Kaden]

Totally agree! Ill charge someone for anything i dont care haha.

Just to add lately i have been very inactive not because im not liking arma, Its the fact that so many rebels are denying RP? so if you read this and are a rebel speak to me pls im lonely

 

[Tadworth]

I thank you for your post, i however do not agree with your second statement regarding the crime have increased? 

Where you here when PLF, Syndicate, TI at its peak and GC and oh god.. LOA where active? As a police officer? 

Well i was as a police officer/rebel, i can tell you personally, this is heaven compared to the old days.

It's certainly not heaven, even if gang crime is at an all time low (and yes I was here, PC/SPC) that does not mean crime in general is at an all time low. It's harder now than it was before in fact, now when we start a pursuit there are lots of things that rush through our minds as officers, things I didn't used to have to think so much about such as "Will this Hobo in a hatchback have a gun?", because back in the day of PLF, Syndicate, TI etc etc, they didn't as those gangs would scare them too much to think about buying the gun and they would just join one anyways, now because of the lesser gang crime and more civilian crime our job is not as simple as you may remember.

If you want to see how the police work nowadays, consider a ride along, might help you to understand what I mean. 

As someone who has been in the police through all the patches of big gangs coming up and going down, I have to admit, we are on a low as far as large established gang crime goes. However there has been a rise in 'hobo' gang crime or gangs that are smaller in number but do have access to larger caliber guns. At the moment we are dealing with numerous calls about smaller crimes like armed robbery, theft and murder (small relative to what is used to be).

As for people dealing with the smaller crimes, It really depends on how the day has gone, some are less busy then others. One thing rebels don't know is when we are inundated with 999 dispatch calls and whispers from other officers. To them it may look like we are scanning their car, see they are wanted for attempted vehicle theft or other smaller crimes and continue driving, but most of the time we are responding to a dispatch/ or call for backup somewhere else. Or even the the possibility we have drive 13km to send someone to prison. You can imagine ones enthusiasm may drop when they have to bring someone 13km to prison for not paying a small fine (too big for holding cell).

But as I have said before, it really depends how busy we are with calls.

Brilliantly put. 

 

[Kaden]

@Ali E NIU and AR end up in gun fights because rebels dont want to lose their drugs. They are hard to RP out of yes but maybe if someone actually stopped and tried to talk to us we will be nice! I do it all the time its more efficient 

 

[PeachMaster]

@Ali E NIU and AR end up in gun fights because rebels dont want to lose their drugs. They are hard to RP out of yes but maybe if someone actually stopped and tried to talk to us we will be nice! I do it all the time its more efficient 

Pretty much

Bird watching is the best thing.... 

 

[Drizzel]

Pretty much

Bird watching is the best thing.... 

Your snipers seemed to disagree....