Vac bans and In-Game bans

[LewisJones]

I noticed someone trying to get an opinion on this and all he got was a little bit of drama, so I decided as I am now interested on this subject I am going to ask myself with the hope as I was not recently banned that I will not have any drama myself. 

If you are here to give anything other than your opinion the door is that way   ^^^ I don't want any "Drama" or flame ect on this post.

Now for the actual post.

I wanted to ask for some opinions on if a user should be banned or have the decision of there unban appeal based on any other game/vac ban's the user may of gained prior or preceding to his ingame ban. My response to the thread that has now vanished was,

Personally I think it depends, if you were banned for using Exploits on the game you have been banned on and you were also banned from in-game due to Exploiting then yes. But they would have to prove that you were banned from that game for the same reason, and also prove you were not doing it with your friends in order not to effect other peoples game play even I have done that and got a vac. I read your application and I can see that you were banned in a blanket ban so no in that case as you were banned indirectly to someone duping VAC(s) should not take place in the deciding of your ban and I think it is stupid it was even brought up in this case.

Like I said door is that way if you have no opinion to the subject ^^^
 

 

[Wilco]

If you get banned for being involved with a gang for duping/cheating or you have been doing it yourself then 100% any history on your account is going to go against you when making a decision in any appeal.

We do have the option to not allow anyone with a VAC ban to access the server in Battlemetrics, this is turned off as we like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but get caught up in anything dodgy then for the protection of our community's enjoyment those VAC/Game bans and any google activity that relates to bans for cheating anywhere else will be considered.

This is a process we have had since the start and is set in stone, So behave yourself or that history will go against you, I would also like to advise that the massive majority of the server population do not have any vac or game bans, The people with them show up red in our internal player list.

Quote: "Once a cheater always a cheater" (We have been proven right on so many occasions)

 

[Gurlanin]

To be unbanned, one of the things that we, the Staff Team, need to know is if you are going to re-offend.

For example, if you were banned for cheating (such as duping items, money, etc.), but you showed remorse and convinced us that it was a one-time silly mistake, and that you wouldn't do it again, then chances are that you would be unbanned. However, as Wilco said, if you'd been banned for cheating, and we saw that you'd also been banned from other games for the exact same thing, then it shows a pattern of behaviour, rather than a silly mistake.

The reason we ban people from the servers is to try and make the RPUK experience as equal and fair as possible, and whilst we have unban appeals for those who have made mistakes and genuinely want to come back and play honestly, there will always be those who want to ruin it for everyone else - that's why we investigate unban appeals, and use all the information available to us to come to a decision.

 

[LewisJones]

If you get banned for being involved with a gang for duping/cheating then 100% any history on your account is going to go against you when making a decision in any appeal.

I kinda get the point if you were banned directly for duping,  even if you were suspected for duping and you have some sort of viable evidence towards proving it but not enough for a valid ban itself.

Quote: "Once a cheater always a cheater"

I'm sorry but I would have to personally disagree with this one, as someone who has used cheats in a game before once about 3-4 years ago for the intent of cheating against other people (Little bit of a rage hack) and other than the times I have hacked but made sure it was only effecting me and my friends as we had done everything the game offered and wanted a bit more out of it I have never hacked since therefor I have cheated but am no longer a cheater.

 

[Wilco]

@LewisJones that's your opinion but we have a different one and that's not up for debate, We have 3 and a half years of dealing with bans, appeals and cheaters.

My advice is keep your nose clean, If you have VAC bans or game bans or have any google activity linked to your steam account then if you get caught here doing anything sinister you know the door is firmly closed.

When an entire gangs funds are going up we can see that there is activity, and even if your dishonest and don't report your friends if you are part of that gang and your money charts (which the staff can see) are showing trends there is no legs to stand on.

Its a very very small fraction that get there appeals denied due to history, There hasn't been any in many months until today.

 

[LewisJones]

Its a very very small fraction that get there appeals denied due to history, There hasn't been any in many months until today.

That's fair enough but I am not talking about how many happen, I am talking about if/why they happen at all.

 

[Wilco]

Well, its obvious why it's like this is it not?

We are the ones that monitor and maintain the servers and it's the staff and management team that need to clean up the mess so that's why we have our solid risk assessment policies at the appeal stage which are looked at on a case by case basis.

 

[LewisJones]

Well, its obvious why it's like this is it not?

Obvious why it would effect someone who was directly duping yes.

Obvious why it would effect someone otherwise, for example blanket ban, no. 

 

[Matt]

If you're going to cheat using external programs and scripts that the largest gaming platform in the world with the most sophisticated Anti-cheat software availible can detect AND get caught doing it then why on earth would we not take that into account? That would mean you've obviously hacked and cheated before so why would you not do it in our community? 

 

[LewisJones]

@TCK Matt Like I have said if you have been banned for something like exploiting/duping ect then fair enough, but in a blanket ban/any other reason I do not see why it should effect at all. 

That would mean you've obviously hacked and cheated before so why would you not do it in our community? 

As I have stated I have hacked in a public game years ago and subsequently got banned for it since I have also used hacks/mods in games like GTA to improve me and my friends experience on the game without effecting others, but I have never had the urge to hack on RPUK. 

Obviously other people are different and the once a hacker always a hacker saying may apply to them, but no 2 people are the same so I don't think a ban under most circumstances should effect a appeal. Obviously cases like if they were banned for exploiting and hacking ect, Or even suspected hacking with a recent ban they would effect it.