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Just a quickie: if I find myself in conflict with police, do undercover police have to initiate in order to fire at us or are they allowed to shoot as soon as 'normal' police are shot at?

If it's the latter, does that mean I'm just allowed to shoot all people I see armed in a gunfight regardless of whether I know that they're involved, as they could be a threat to me?

 
Yes undercover police will initiate separately to normal police. So before they start shooting people the rebel gang will be aware that there will be civ clothed officers in the area. 

So yes it then turns in to kinda how rebels have their gun fights where you can shoot any armed man in the area that you deem involved.

 
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Yes undercover police will initiate separately to normal police. So before they start shooting people the rebel gang will be aware that there will be civ clothed officers in the area. 

So yes it then turns in to kinda how rebels have their gun fights where you can shoot any armed man in the area that you deem involved.
Do polic also have to wear an item of police clothing? Such as a vest/police hat (the cap) etc or is their word to one person good enough? Surely this could result in innocent civilians getting killed by cartels and gangs if they are dressed similar to police officers? (Guy in similar/same clothing as a cop with a handgun waving it around?)

 
Do polic also have to wear an item of police clothing? Such as a vest/police hat (the cap) etc or is their word to one person good enough? Surely this could result in innocent civilians getting killed by cartels and gangs if they are dressed similar to police officers? (Guy in similar/same clothing as a cop with a handgun waving it around?)
Police can show their badge to anyone which will show their rank and police officer name for around 5 seconds. But police undercover can wear anything to make them blend in. 

 
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However don't just shoot at armed people who aren't cops just cause you are in a gunfight as undercover police have to initiate on you separately before they can do anything so if you haven't been initiated on just shoot uniformed officers :)

 
However don't just shoot at armed people who aren't cops just cause you are in a gunfight as undercover police have to initiate on you separately before they can do anything so if you haven't been initiated on just shoot uniformed officers :)
Yeah I definitely won't be shooting just anyone with a gun now I know this. I was just really confused as yesterday I was in a gunfight with the police at the iron/copper trader, I turned around and there was a rebel with an assault rifle right next to me who said "you just shot cops", knocked me out and restrained me - I thought he was with the undercover police department but just turned out to be a rebel who wanted to help the police, who later let me go because he realised he had to initiate before knocking me out - was a really weird situation.

 
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The idea of undercover police intitating is ridiculous, the whole aspect of "undercover" is you are there to gather intelligence and observe crime/gangs and then report it to makred units not jump out and be a hero.

 
At the moment there are 2 civ clothed Police going around...

There's fully undercover where they have rebel weapons and masks and have been working somewhat independently from patrol Police.

Then there's RTU 'unmarked' Police which have a civ car, casual clothing (still being tested) but don't have a different name (have their badge on show).

 
The idea of undercover police intitating is ridiculous, the whole aspect of "undercover" is you are there to gather intelligence and observe crime/gangs and then report it to makred units not jump out and be a hero.
@SI Joseph Tadworth Please do correct me if I have mentioned anything wrong in regards of the UC unit.  

  I see where you are coming from and respect your opinion. However isn't that what rebels do as well? Back-packing weapons, changing clothes, acting un-involved in their cars scouting and so on?

   I fail to see the "ridiculousness" in how the undercover police initiates, as in RP they act separate than the officers in uniform. Hence why they have to initiate for them selves as no one knows that they are undercover cops. (yes, not even the officers in uniform. UNLESS tolled by the UC unit beforehand)

   I also hope you would understand that while officers that are undercover gathering information they will encounter criminal activities. As they are still officers (just not in uniform), they will have to interfere with such actions from the rebels.

   In brief, I can not really tell you (I think) how the procedures are if/when the undercover unit  is needed to interfere. However what I can assure you is that the criminals WILL know if there is a undercover unit in the situation.

Kind Regards,

    DI Kral [PY299]

 
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The idea of undercover police intitating is ridiculous, the whole aspect of "undercover" is you are there to gather intelligence and observe crime/gangs and then report it to makred units not jump out and be a hero.




 




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Firstly, you've hit the nail on the head in the first part and what we are doing with the undercover capabilities at the moment. You will almost never find an undercover officer engaged in a firefight unless completely necessary. Even more so considering the fact that less than 5% (actual statistic) of the entire police force are currently allowed to go "undercover".

We have literally spent weeks developing training and rules for these capabilities, with opinions from civilians, staff and other police on what the best operational approach would be in regards to keeping everybody happy. If you'd like to have an input on how "ridiculous", this is getting I'd suggest you educate yourself on the subject matter beforehand.

Just a quickie: if I find myself in conflict with police, do undercover police have to initiate in order to fire at us or are they allowed to shoot as soon as 'normal' police are shot at?

If it's the latter, does that mean I'm just allowed to shoot all people I see armed in a gunfight regardless of whether I know that they're involved, as they could be a threat to me?




 




 
Has your question already been answered by @CI Busterguy & co, or would you like me to give you an answer too?

 
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Firstly, you've hit the nail on the head in the first part and what we are doing with the undercover capabilities at the moment. You will almost never find an undercover officer engaged in a firefight unless completely necessary. Even more so considering the fact that less than 0.05% (actual statistic) of the entire police force are currently allowed to go "undercover".

We have literally spent weeks developing training and rules for these capabilities, with opinions from civilians, staff and other police on what the best operational approach would be in regards to keeping everybody happy. If you'd like to have an input on how "ridiculous", this is getting I'd suggest you educate yourself on the subject matter beforehand.

Has your question already been answered by @CI Busterguy & co, or would you like me to give you an answer too?
You mis-understand what i am saying i don't think the idea of an undercover unit is ridiculous infact quite the opposite i think its a great idea, i am just stating undercover jumping out and "initiating" isnt very wise.

 
Firstly, you've hit the nail on the head in the first part and what we are doing with the undercover capabilities at the moment. You will almost never find an undercover officer engaged in a firefight unless completely necessary. Even more so considering the fact that less than 0.05% (actual statistic) of the entire police force are currently allowed to go "undercover".

We have literally spent weeks developing training and rules for these capabilities, with opinions from civilians, staff and other police on what the best operational approach would be in regards to keeping everybody happy. If you'd like to have an input on how "ridiculous", this is getting I'd suggest you educate yourself on the subject matter beforehand.

Has your question already been answered by @CI Busterguy & co, or would you like me to give you an answer too?
Buster summed up the answer perfectly - undercover units have to initiate separately if it ever comes to that.

 
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