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Unban Appeal - voimahoney - GTA RP

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voimahoney

voimahoney

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Unban Appeal for voimahoney 

In-game Name: Donnie Mahone

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561199404593936

Ban ID: !!rpuk10675!!

Reason given for your ban: 2.3 Combat log

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: My ban is from combat logging - I'm unaware of an instance of this - a couple of days before my ban when I last played, a group of guys killed me for stealing their car - and they put me in the ocean

I am not sure if I am supposed the wait the 15 minutes to die - and if so, I definitely didn't as I was obviously bored of sitting at the bottom of the ocean.

Why should we unban you ?: I sat through the whole process of having the car rammed until it broke - myself run over, picked up and drowned in the ocean - to get banned for combat logging. I quite enjoy being a car robber on the server and reminding people to not leave their car unattended but obviously that's probably enough to warrant killing me - despite not much chance being given to myself

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 
voimahoney said:
Why should we unban you ?
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You don't seem to have actually answered this question. We ask questions to gain an insight into your understanding of what you did wrong.

Can you answer this question, please?

 
I apologise, I was more explaining I hadn't combat logged so didn't think I should be banned. Which I thinks enough to be unbanned.

I think you should unban me because that is the fair thing to do to an innocent man - I clearly enjoy this server very much otherwise I wouldn't be back after my 30 day ban - I am an innocent (not of car robbing) car robber who roams the streets of the server on a mission, that the city deserves to see play out.

I see myself as a asset to the server who is actually willing to communicate, unlike so many others you come across.

 
voimahoney said:
I hadn't combat logged so didn't think I should be banned
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But you did combat log. It took you exactly 1 minute and 11 seconds before you decided to log off the server. Why do you think we do not allow that?

 
@voimahoneyPlease reply to this appeal or it will time out.

 
If you are saying I left after 1 minute 30 of dying, I actually don't know when you're referring to.

I apologise, I can't defend myself for something I don't actually remember doing - As I said, last time I played and was put in the ocean, as far as I'm aware that would be the end of my life, and a decent time to log off for the night.

I understand this probably won't help my appeal but I genuinely don't know when I allegedly logged out and don't see a reason I would have.

Happy New Year

 
voimahoney said:
last time I played and was put in the ocean, as far as I'm aware that would be the end of my life, and a decent time to log off for the night.
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Did you respawn?

 
I didn't. 

As I explained I'd had a rough time so had just logged off for the night once I was at the bottom of the ocean.

 
voimahoney said:
I didn't. 

As I explained I'd had a rough time so had just logged off for the night once I was at the bottom of the ocean.
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What you have just said is you admitting to combat logging.

(C2.3) Combat logging - Logging out at any point during RP is exploiting. Some examples of this include: logging out during a firefight, being chased by the police, arrested by the police, while dead awaiting a medic, logging out in order to save gear, rage-quitting, logging out whilst restrained/detained.

 
I was dead at the bottom of the ocean, I'm not sure how this is considered to be still engaged in combat.

Your rule says that I can't log out when awaiting a medic, but I didn't see fit to call for a medic, as I was at the bottom of the ocean, so I wasn't actually awaiting one.

The rule also says that logging out during RP is exploiting - Firstly, as explained I was at the bottom of the ocean in a car alone. I'm not sure if this is considered roleplay, but I wasn't making any drowning noises or trying to get out my car, because as mentioned in my initial message, I had 'sat through the whole process of having the car rammed until it broke - myself run over, picked up and drowned in the ocean' which I don't consider to be great roleplay as it is,  as I'm sure VDM is illegal, but I atleast let them drown me, with probably no roleplay communication from them as is standard with most groups on the server. 

I'd probably have a better version of events in my head if I didn't have to wait a month to appeal - but being killed, kidnapped and thrown in the ocean probably lasts longer than the 15 minutes NHS timer, and IF you think I did log off before that so be it, I'd done the people who had killed me the service of allowing them to throw me in the ocean, despite running me over and killing me without any sort of RP.

If you was able to catch me logging out, at the bottom of the ocean, I have no doubts that you successfully caught the group that had VDM'd me, so I am atleast glad that justice will be served in that way, and not just to the little guy trying to have fun on the server.

I am glad for the service you are doing the community by banning people who ruin the roleplay community, like me, who disgusting logged out after being murdered and stranded by a group of people who clearly had no interest in RPing, but just wanted to murder an unarmed kid trying to create his story - what a horrible experience I brought those guys.

 

 
Regardless of what you think, and your interpretation of the rules, by our interpretation and how we've handled things throughout the years of our community being operational, you logging out whilst dead, whether next to a person or in the middle of the ocean without respawning first is considered 'Combat Logging'

There's no need for the snide remarks toward the bottom of your response. This will get you nowhere and actually makes me think you're not the right fit for our community. 

 
@voimahoneyPlease respond soon or the appeal will be timed out.

 
I've explained why I think I should be unbanned. As explained I clearly didn't know being dead and alone meant still being in combat. If thats enough to ban me and you don't accept what I say, that's it I guess. 

I do hope you banned the others though. 

 
Looking over your last response above, You made a claim that you believe VDM is illegal, VDM is fully allowed however RVDM isn't, If you have a look at our rules page you will understand why. Now in RP there might be a reason to run someone over, However running people over for the sake of it and without having no RP at all is indeed against the rules. If you believed a rule was broken why didn't you make a player report? 

Your own statement has contradictions, You said this above, "and IF you think I did log off before that so be it" However if you scroll up further you admit to logging off, So it's not us assuming, We know you did this. If you cannot accept responsibility for your own actions, Why would we offer you another opportunity? Since it seems from where I'm sitting that you will simply do the same again and then claim "The rules mean this" when in retrospect they don't.

You also say you have explained why you should be unbanned, From reading the appeal for what it is, It's trying to argue the rules and claim you didn't do something you clearly did do. Can you have a look at the rules for us, Quote the one you we're banned for and explain in your own words what you believe this rule means please? 

 
Hi Stuart - As I'm sure you can tell, I clearly don't know the rules as well as you. 

I understand VDM and RVDM being different  - I didn't know I was allowed to crash into cars and run people over with no communication because they was in a stolen car. Again, I didn't understand the rule on that one.

Just to be clear, I logged off at the bottom of the ocean, I've never denied that. I don't doubt that my story has contradictions either as this was about 2 months ago and we're arguing the semantics of me logging off before a 15 minute NHS timer, that I doubt I triggered (Again I could be wrong, this was 2 months ago)

I don't understand giving no context to the ban for min 1 month - surely this just leads to contradictions because nobody remembers every single thing that happens on GTA, nevermind what minute my NHS timer was on when I decided to close GTA. 

To answer your question - I was banned for

(C2.3) Combat logging - Logging out at any point during RP is exploiting. Some examples of this include: logging out during a firefight, being chased by the police, arrested by the police, while dead awaiting a medic, logging out in order to save gear, rage-quitting, logging out whilst restrained/detained.

I would consider this to be leaving the server when you're currently engaged in some sort of RP altercation or communication, where leaving would negatively affect another player. 

An example of this I would give in my case would be if I had logged off whilst being chased, after having my car broke, after being run over, or when my body was in the car and they was trying to take me the ocean. This would have completely ruined their story that they was engaged in, and my body disappearing would obviously be un-ignorable in that situation.
I understand exactly why this is a ban worthy offense as its hard to come by good RP situations some nights and to not fulfil a story line could ruin their night. (Debatable whether what I had was any sort of 'story line' with these people)

Therefore, with my explanation of the rule, I came here to appeal my ban. As I explained, I don't think that there was much fun RP involved in what happened that night, but nevertheless I continued with what was happening, and allowed my limp body to be dumped in the ocean after I had been killed.

As far as I was concerned, once that had happened and all I can see is water and fish - my part in their roleplay was over, so to me there was no worry of combat logging and I had had enough of playing as I was frustrated about what had happened. So I logged off for the night. (Probably with no thought of how long was left on my timer).

I am happy if you don't want to unban me - I would rather that have just been said at the start but I'd rather not be banned as I don't feel the punishment meets the crime. As far as I know, what I did had no victim other than myself, as I would have to wait the full 15 minutes at the bottom of the ocean next time I had logged on anyway. I'm sure you can check my characters inventory and find absolutely nothing that would have been worth those guys scuba diving to take, so I wasn't trying to save any gear or anything.

I just logged off after being ditched in the ocean, after a night of RPing as a thief - Now I'm lifetime banned from the only server anyone plays and all of the admins are seemingly taking turns at making me explain my side, just so they can tell me I'm still banned for logging off before the timer.

I've admitted to what I did, and I haven't apologised as I explained that this really didn't negatively affect anybody and I didn't understand the rules clearly enough to wait 15 minutes as I didn't deem this an important part of the roleplay experience.

 
Whilst you may not be aware of the rules, You did confirm you read the rules before you made your character, So not knowing them whilst yes can be a lot to take in isn't a big defence to fall back on. Anyway, The point of asking you to check the rules is to ensure you do know them and should any rules be broken moving forth then this is on yourself as we would expect you to read them more so should you wish to return to the community.

voimahoney said:
Just to be clear, I logged off at the bottom of the ocean, I've never denied that. I don't doubt that my story has contradictions either as this was about 2 months ago and we're arguing the semantics of me logging off before a 15 minute NHS timer, that I doubt I triggered (Again I could be wrong, this was 2 months ago)

I don't understand giving no context to the ban for min 1 month - surely this just leads to contradictions because nobody remembers every single thing that happens on GTA, nevermind what minute my NHS timer was on when I decided to close GTA. 
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The reason for the one month cooldown is due to how much this rule break does effect roleplay as a whole. Lets say someone saw you being dumped that night and lets say called the police, nhs, friends to come and help you and then you simply went "poof" It does hinder the roleplay as a whole. Who's to say what could of happened the time you we're put into the water? 

Now you mentioned this could lead to contradictions, I don't see it this way (Since not many appeals on a one month cooldown have contradictions), However you have made a good few assumptions during this appeal. 

voimahoney said:
we're arguing the semantics of me logging off before a 15 minute NHS timer
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We aren't arguing semantics, You did do this and it falls under combat logging and in turn you we're banned. Now by your own admissions you didn't read the rules prior, It's wise to ensure you know the rules for any game you do play since you in turn won't break them and end up in the same position. 

voimahoney said:
Now I'm lifetime banned from the only server anyone plays and all of the admins are seemingly taking turns at making me explain my side
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Whilst yes you are permanently banned, This doesn't mean you are in your own terms "Lifetime banned". In relation to multiple staff responding to your appeal, The only staff who review appeals and comment on them in terms of dealing and progressing them are Level 4 staff and above (Staff Leads and Management). 

So lets say I do offer you another chance, How can we be sure you won't simply do the same thing again? If you could go back in time and do over the same situation, Would you of done anything different? 

Have you took the time since you have been banned or even posting the rule you we're banned for to ensure all the rules have been read?

 
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