Unban Appeal - Top Spliffer - GTA RP

[Robin A]

Unban Appeal for Top Spliffer 

In-game Name: Robin Ankara

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561198111466895

Ban ID: Not sure banned from discord

Reason given for your ban: G3.1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: I assume I was perma banned for meta-gaming as I logged on 2 mins before 229 were downed.

Why should we unban you ?: Unsure on what I'm really meant to say here, I'm assuming that the evidence staff compiled was sufficient enough to constitute a ban. I just want to state this now, I did not meta-game. This whole hop on squad term is ruining the server as staff feel they need to ban anyone in the f6 of a gang that woke up in x amount of time.

I woke up before 229 were even downed and from them showing up at the shop to being downed happened in the space of 15 seconds, now if you honestly think I could've opened FiveM, loaded into the server and driven to mara turf (I woke up at taxi rank) in that period of time then I must have a NASA computer. I loaded into the server to do taxi, when I woke up I turned on the radio and heard Omizz say that 229 were down at the shop and he needs help; now with this new hop on squad, rule am I just supposed to ignore this completely even though it makes zero sense? No of course not he's a member of my gang and he needed help?

I wasn't even given a chance to make a case defending myself in the report just instant ban? Omizz already said on the report that we were playing on a different server before so for us to all log on at the same time makes complete sense? No offence to the staff member dealing with the report but I feel she didn't take enough time to ask questions and gather evidence as a member called "terry" who wasn't even part of the situation was banned due to the fact he logged on.

If you want me to apologise about supposed meta-gaming you wont be receiving that as I wont admit to something I didn't do. However, I would like to apologise for my comments in the groups discord, I understand that what I said and who I mentioned wasn't on and I do regret what I did, it was in the heat of the moment mere seconds after the reports came through as "accepted" which doesn't excuse it but just thought I'd mention.

I have been part of this community for over half a year now and only been banned once for RDM which was probably my 5th day on the server so I didn't really give a shit at the time, I have grown to love RPUK and have made very good friends, overall I have 1000+ hours on the server and I would not throw it away over something small. Over the months in RPUK, I have tried my best to prioritise having fun and making everything enjoyable for all parties no matter the situation.

Thank you staff for taking the time to read my appeal.

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 

[Stuart]

Now there are two different bans, One from the report and other from discord. Lets start with the forum report. 

In your own appeal you are claiming "I wasn't even given a chance to make a case defending myself in the report just instant ban?", If you look at the report that I'll link below, The report was up for two weeks. You had two weeks to defend yourself however decided not to. 

Are you expecting us to believe you took nothing from the call you we're in nor the stream that was happening to influence you logging into the server to help those who we're fighting at the time? We have not said you cannot help your gang however if you are gaining information from outside of RP and using said information to influence you logging in just to get involved then that is the issue. 

Do you have any recordings to prove you didn't break the rules in this manner ?

In relation to the discord ban, This was due to your own behaviour within the groups discord that in turn got you a ban from both the groups and main RPUK discord. Why did you try and cause issues there? Explain the thought process. 

 

[Robin A]

In your own appeal you are claiming "I wasn't even given a chance to make a case defending myself in the report just instant ban?", If you look at the report that I'll link below, The report was up for two weeks. You had two weeks to defend yourself however decided not to. 

Omizz best explained it and I felt I had nothing else to add. In other reports I see staff asking several questions to the players reported before issuing a final verdict, in this case she did not which was why I was confused. I also wasn't given an explanation behind the ban just the supposed rule break, which in other reports is present.

Are you expecting us to believe you took nothing from the call you we're in nor the stream that was happening to influence you logging into the server to help those who we're fighting at the time?

Don't believe anyone mentioned that there was an ongoing stream and if there was, I wouldn't have joined it as I was loading in. Lets say there was a stream up and I was to meta-game, the fight didn't even last a minute so seems completely pointless. 

I'm not saying you should believe me as there is no way to tell I am telling the truth, but you did believe that I meta-gamed so doesn't seem too crazy.

We have not said you cannot help your gang however if you are gaining information from outside of RP and using said information to influence you logging in just to get involved then that is the issue. 

Luckily for myself I did not do this, I would gain nothing from it and it would break the server rules. 229 showing up moments after I logged on was a mere coincidence, the beef with 229 was just with Omizz, stemming from tweedle beef and an argument on our turf a few days before the report was put up so they truly could've showed up at any time. 

Do you have any recordings to prove you didn't break the rules in this manner ?

No, none that show me loading into the server, the only clips I have are of a later time with 229.

Why did you try and cause issues there? Explain the thought process. 

I wasn't my intention to cause issues, was more of me being annoyed over one of my friends in the server being banned over what I felt was bullshit. Didn't expect to be banned straight up as I feel people have said and done worse things on the server. Also, considering Fluqi seemed to mock us didn't seem like an issue at the time.

Would also like to mention that I received a warning from the grove report, still don't understand why, it states that I was prepared to fight grove even though I clearly wasn't.

 

[Stuart]

Don't believe anyone mentioned that there was an ongoing stream and if there was, I wouldn't have joined it as I was loading in. Lets say there was a stream up and I was to meta-game, the fight didn't even last a minute so seems completely pointless. 

You sure this is the answer you wish to give, Or do you wish to own up that there was a stream ? 

 

[Robin A]

You sure this is the answer you wish to give, Or do you wish to own up that there was a stream ? 

Initially no there wasn't a stream, only after all of 229 were dead did he load up a stream, which at this point I was already in the game so subsequently did not join. 

 

[Stuart]

Omizz best explained it and I felt I had nothing else to add. In other reports I see staff asking several questions to the players reported before issuing a final verdict, in this case she did not which was why I was confused. I also wasn't given an explanation behind the ban just the supposed rule break, which in other reports is present.

22 hours ago, Stuart said:

So looking into this, Regardless of if someone else posts their side, If you are reported then you can defend yourself and it's your chance to. Yes some reports do have multiple questions however not all are needed since a lot of the time it's clear what is and has happened. 

Initially no there wasn't a stream, only after all of 229 were dead did he load up a stream, which at this point I was already in the game so subsequently did not join. 

Well we knew there was so you trying to say there wasn't isn't a good look. So only time I will pop it, Don't try and lie or cover things up. Honesty is key overall and that's why I give you a chance to be honest with this. 

I wasn't my intention to cause issues, was more of me being annoyed over one of my friends in the server being banned over what I felt was bullshit. Didn't expect to be banned straight up as I feel people have said and done worse things on the server. Also, considering Fluqi seemed to mock us didn't seem like an issue at the time.

Would also like to mention that I received a warning from the grove report, still don't understand why, it states that I was prepared to fight grove even though I clearly wasn't.

So you had no intention to cause issues however after your ban in game you went full "Keyboard warrior" complaining about your ban and more so just trying to stir the pot and cause issues, Goes against what you are now claiming after the fact. 

It was mentioned multiple times that if you plan to cause issues then we will hand out bans from the discord and main RPUK one, Only so many warnings we can give before our hand is forced. 

In relation to the reports, Yes you received a warning from one report and a permanent ban from the other, If you did look into the response under the warning for example it is explained fully the reasoning behind it. Go take another look and explain your actions in both reports. 

 

[Robin A]

Well we knew there was so you trying to say there wasn't isn't a good look. So only time I will pop it, Don't try and lie or cover things up. Honesty is key overall and that's why I give you a chance to be honest with this. 

Not sure how you could possibly know? Omizz had logged onto the server 2 minutes prior to getting into the situation with 229 so why would he even bother putting a stream up and if he tried during the fight he would be shot dead? I'm being completely honest with my appeals and you're calling me a liar, I had a feeling the appeal would go this way, no matter what I say unless it's that I meta-gamed its a lie. I'm sure you can look in the logs and see that myself, Omizz and Laz all logged in within 5 minutes of each other because we were playing on a separate server so for us to log on practically at the same time makes sense.  

Did staff even have footage of what happened after 229 were downed? I'm assuming not considering you banned Terry simply based off the fact he logged on whilst the situation was ongoing. Craig even lied in the report stating that a "large number" of Marabunta arrive at the shop, there was 3 of us in total, including Omizz.

So looking into this, Regardless of if someone else posts their side, If you are reported then you can defend yourself and it's your chance to. Yes some reports do have multiple questions however not all are needed since a lot of the time it's clear what is and has happened.

Not even an explanation was given behind the ban? I've gone through over 50 accepted reports and seen that unless it's a blatant rule break such as RDM, RVDM or a type of discrimination a clear reason is given, but not with ours? It would be easier to write this appeal and save all of us time if you told us what evidence you have against us so we can give a rebuttal of some kind.  

So you had no intention to cause issues however after your ban in game you went full "Keyboard warrior" complaining about your ban and more so just trying to stir the pot and cause issues

I was banned from the discord before I was banned from the forum report. Never complained about my ban either all I believe I said on the forums was "Nevermind I'm banned too xD", hardly seems like complaining and was more of a follow-up from Molotov being banned which I had put out a message before regarding that. Looking back on what I said in the groups discord I guess my main aim was to chat shit to grove, obviously not the right thing to do and I understand and regret it as said in my initial appeal.

It was mentioned multiple times that if you plan to cause issues then we will hand out bans from the discord and main RPUK one, Only so many warnings we can give before our hand is forced. 

I understand I believe my ban was fair now.

explain your actions in both reports. 

I'll start with the grove report (it's been a while now so some details may not be accurate). I tend to workout out at any point between 11 and 12 and then make my food, once I finish eating I would go on RPUK for a bit to sell some drugs for any amount of time from 1210 to 1330 ish, if you look at the logs on any random day you can see that this pattern is mostly a constant. This is exactly what I did on the day that Omizz was kidnapped by Grove, from memory I sold drugs for 40 mins then was hands by Grove as seen in this clip: 

Context - YouTube

In no way was I prepared, completely caught off guard and rightfully so as I had no idea in character or OOC that Grove were about kidnapping Mara. Luckily AJ missed his shot when Devon used his melee weapon in attempt to save me, causing him to be downed and subsequently put this report up as lets be real, if he had taken myself and Devon hostage the report would've never gone up as he would've won the situation. This is reinforced by the fact that less than 15 minutes after the report was accepted he put up a compensation request showing his true intentions.  

From my perspective I was given a warning for no reason besides the fact that I was a Marabunta logged on during that period of time, same with Devon but he was given a harsher punishment.

Moving onto the second report. I was playing on a FiveM server with Laz and Omizz, we got bored so all logged off, Omizz said he was going on RPUK so me and Laz said we would join shortly. That's it. The login times between us 3 was no more than 5 minutes which isn't a rule break from my understanding. I'm guessing if we had put a message in our discord saying "Let's get on RPUK in 10 minutes" this whole meta-gaming accusation would instantly be thrown away, as with what happened with the Aztecas. 

I respect the rules the server lays out as I believe them to be fair and a way to keep the fun, in no way have I lied in any of the reports or this unban appeal.

 

[Stuart]

Not sure how you could possibly know? Omizz had logged onto the server 2 minutes prior to getting into the situation with 229 so why would he even bother putting a stream up and if he tried during the fight he would be shot dead? I'm being completely honest with my appeals and you're calling me a liar,

Trying to cover up that Omizz was streaming is a bad look overall. Am I suggesting you aren't being honest here? Indeed, Since Omizz himself did admit to streaming within the report against yous. 

Overall me asking somethings here is due to me knowing what did happen, So attempts to hide, cover up or simply lie doesn't end well more so in the appeals section. Since you are still trying to cover this fact up I cannot be 100% that you are being honest about other things as you can't with this simple fact. Based on this I will be going ahead and denying your appeal and also providing a month cooldown for yourself. 

I would suggest in your next appeal that you are open and honest with us going into the appeal and in response to our questions as if you are caught out the same thing could happen again. You may appeal on or after April 25th 2023.

Denied.