Unban Appeal - Thomass - GTA RP

[YuWong]

Unban Appeal for Thomass 

In-game Name: Yu Wong

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561198045213785

The date you got banned: 04/08/21

Member of the team that banned you: DELETER

Reason given for your ban: G3.1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: I used /me to call out DELETER for what I felt like was Combat Restraining, because in my eyes we were no where near each other and I was in full sprint. This did irritate me, if I'm honest.
In a later situation, I returned to the Casino and was confronted by Mr Polo (under the guise of another character) who used a "Facial Recognition" to identify me as a blacklisted guest, I then used /me to tell Mike Polo that he smells.

Why should we unban you ?: In reflection- I was quite annoyed that I had been restrained, as in my eyes at least, I was no where near the G6 officer, and I had used a range of emotes to try hide from TBJ and Deleter chasing me throughout the Casino. I didn't realise at the time, the affect my action could have had on the roleplay situation and didn't see it as breaking RP and was more of a way of airing my frustration with the way the situation happened.

With Mike, I had no malicious intentions and my /me didn't affect the way I interacted with him in roleplay at all, it was a friendly nod to his new character and again, I had no idea of the affect or emotion it could inflict on the other party.

I've spent a host of time speaking to people about this, and I think over the last few months I've grown as a person and with my characters, I don't believe this should be the end of my time here within the community as I feel I have given a lot of things and have a whole load more to give!

I apologise to Mike, for referencing him personally, and would like to reassure him that it was purely misread on my side, and was meant as a friendly gesture,
I apologise to Deleter, for referencing his actions within the game, and again didn't mean anything personally by it, didn't let it affect our in-game roleplay and just used it as a way to vent frustration.

I completely understand that although it probably wasn't the worst thing in the world, it was still a rule break, and will not happen again.

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 

[Robbie]

This is now your 4th ban, in your previous appeal I stated that you was being given one final chance, yet again here we are. Why do you deserve yet another chance? 

 

[YuWong]

Hi,

like stated in my appeal- it was a joke and I didn’t have any malicious intentions, 

I think I’ve grown massively since any previous conflict, growing multiple characters, developing their story and continuing to have fun.

I don’t think something this silly should be the end of our time here, and I am apologetic to the parties involved;

I guess it’s up to you

 

[Fluqi]

Irregardless of whether you believe you had malicious intentions or not, you still, by definition, broke our server rules. 

Given your history with us and the short time it's been between bans I'm going to need you to convince myself and other staff members that giving you yet another chance to be apart of our community is worthwhile...

So far, for me, you've not done that.

@Thomass

 

[YuWong]

Irregardless of whether you believe you had malicious intentions or not, you still, by definition, broke our server rules. 

Given your history with us and the short time it's been between bans I'm going to need you to convince myself and other staff members that giving you yet another chance to be apart of our community is worthwhile...

So far, for me, you've not done that.

@Thomass

I think everyone was aware that there was no malicious intent in anything that night, and as I've been made aware, there were Management & Devs around, and without being there taking it out of context it sounds a lot worse than it sounds and was.

Like I've said, I apologise for my actions and will ensure I do not do them again.

"Given your history with us" - I've had a clean record until a couple of months ago. My history with RPUK runs deep?

I really don't know what else you want me to say in all honesty, it wasn't malicious, I realise I shouldn't have done it, I've been punished for it.

If I'm honest, I just want to get my head down and continue the great RP I offer the server.

 

[Charles Vane]

So to me, i see your point about this ban and saying that there is no malicious intent however that is not the point here is it. You are here to appeal a ban yes, this is the reason for your ban. However it runs a bit deeper than that. 

My issue is, yes you might think that it wasnt harmful to anyone however, you seem to struggle to follow the most basic rules and also seem to be a bit of a loose cannon. Let me quote the last time you used /ooc and got into trouble for it:

Now onto the /me and the OOC stuff, Despite being in the middle of an RP situation, you make things personal towards tiktak with your comment "get some friends" 

So you have already done this exact same thing before and yet we find you back here AGAIN with the same thing. It may be harmless, it may be a joke. But how much staff time do you need to take up before we put a stop to this?

Your actions at the time might be "a bit of fun" or "a joke" and you might be "annoyed" but that does not warrant us to be any less harsh with the effort multiple admins have had dealing with your reports and such. How do we know going forward you will not just do something "for a laugh" again?

 

[YuWong]

So to me, i see your point about this ban and saying that there is no malicious intent however that is not the point here is it. You are here to appeal a ban yes, this is the reason for your ban. However it runs a bit deeper than that. 

My issue is, yes you might think that it wasnt harmful to anyone however, you seem to struggle to follow the most basic rules and also seem to be a bit of a loose cannon. Let me quote the last time you used /ooc and got into trouble for it:

So you have already done this exact same thing before and yet we find you back here AGAIN with the same thing. It may be harmless, it may be a joke. But how much staff time do you need to take up before we put a stop to this?

Your actions at the time might be "a bit of fun" or "a joke" and you might be "annoyed" but that does not warrant us to be any less harsh with the effort multiple admins have had dealing with your reports and such. How do we know going forward you will not just do something "for a laugh" again?

Charles, I pinky promise, I will never use /me in that way again.

I appreciate the time and effort that everyone involved in the server donates, including our developers, of course our admins and especially our great role players,

 

[Nuclear]

There's a lot of issues steming from you being frustratated and not being able to handle it in a correct manner, it happend on discord before with your ban there and now with this ban from FiveM.

To me, the steps you took to not repeat that were not good enough that previous time, as we are here again.

What steps are you going / willing to make from this point on so that in future your frustrations and anoyance will not leak into the game and ruin others experience when a situation like this happends again in the future.

 

[YuWong]

There's a lot of issues steming from you being frustratated and not being able to handle it in a correct manner, it happend on discord before with your ban there and now with this ban from FiveM.

To me, the steps you took to not repeat that were not good enough that previous time, as we are here again.

What steps are you going / willing to make from this point on so that in future your frustrations and anoyance will not leak into the game and ruin others experience when a situation like this happends again in the future.

I think you've got it completely wrong there Nuclear, my ban from discord was from a dark place and an argument in the middle of the night over something petty, it wasn't warranted and it was a malicious argument,

My roleplay and engagement on the server, some relating to this unfortunate ban- was nothing of the sort? I agree,  "/me Mike Polo Smells" isn't the best demonstration of being a great roleplayer, however I'm sure Mike knows how fond I am of him as a person, and I have passed my apologies onto him multiple times for acting like I did.

I think, like I said earlier in the conversation, without having the context behind the whole story, it appears as if I've lost my shit, broke RP and started two footing everyone in voice chat because I was angry, it's nothing like that and it now feels like I'm trying to explain how sorry I am for a genuine, fairly harmless mistake.

In reflection, what I did was a "rulebreak", I didn't realise it was as much, however I am now fully aware, and under no mis illusion that /me is used for Enhancing Roleplay, in character.

If I could go back and not type /me Mike Polo smells and calling Deleter out, I would, because if I'm honest,  being banned and then going through this process isn't the most fun in the world and I'm sure we all have better things to do with our time.

What steps are you going / willing to make from this point on so that in future your frustrations and anoyance will not leak into the game and ruin others experience when a situation like this happends again in the future.

Probably just double check my shit and not do /me Mike Polo smells... 

I also think "Ruin others experience" is a very strong phrase to use, I don't think any of my characters, current, past or future ruin the experience of anyone's RP, if anything they are there to enhance it as my character don't tend to go for the "make money" route, by robbing banks and selling drugs.

Yu Wong:

Successful DJ and Business Owner

Tow Trucker

Previous Weazel Newser

Harry Shopman:

Handsome Medic

Gustavo Fabela:

Lawyer

Thomas Greenwood [Deceased]:

Police Officer

Warm Regards

 

[TinyBigJacko]

I also think "Ruin others experience" is a very strong phrase to use, I don't think any of my characters, current, past or future ruin the experience of anyone's RP, if anything they are there to enhance it as my character don't tend to go for the "make money" route, by robbing banks and selling drugs.

Yu Wong:

Successful DJ and Business Owner

Tow Trucker

Previous Weazel Newser

Harry Shopman:

Handsome Medic

Gustavo Fabela:

Lawyer

Thomas Greenwood [Deceased]:

Police Officer

I'm going to cut in at this point and run with that last concept, @Thomassbecause I think it's important we establish some baselines here.

Firstly, I'm aware of your specific issues with understanding boundaries and I'm not going to labour the point here or cause any embarrassment intentionally, but I will explain to any staff who aren't aware, if that is ok with you? Please let me know.

In terms of 'ruining others' experience' that might seem strong, but in practice, you do actually sail pretty close to that line a fair bit, and it's something you very definitely need to work on. Whilst I couldn't say you 'ruined' the experience that I, and others, were having at the casino the night you decided to have Yu Wong decide, in his rather schizophrenic, deluded baked-bean-tin of a brain, that he was a self-appointed casino staff-member, security-team member, and lucky-wheel repair engineer, you sure as shit made life a lot more difficult, and a lot less fun - in some ways at least. Put plainly, you caused me personally a lot of stress, trying to continue to deal huge sums of money and blackjack chips manually, without making mistakes that would have caused serious upset and complaint, had I got them wrong. By not going out of range when asked, you appear as a 'give' target, which made my life a tad more difficult, and it was probably the same for other players trying to give me money in return for chips. Now, before you say "but I did go away", please remember that it took a LOT of convincing, and almost every time (certainly whilst as Yu Wong, and the second 'disguised Yu Wong' persona), you came back again. And again. And continuously tried to misrepresent yourself as a casino employee, causing confusion, and forcing me to stop what I was doing, break count, and attempt to either deal with you, or get you dealt with .

Now, I'm a big boy, and I can handle most RP situations reasonably well, which is why you were not just up and banned for being a troll at the time, and I decided to roll with it. And indeed, we had some fun, and although it was a little like having a splinter in my arsehole, I did at least get some satisfaction when you, just like a splinter, were removed, within roleplay, and we all had a chuckle. 

But the point is, this seems to be a trend with some of your characters; what I can only describe as 'oppressive' roleplay. A bit one-sided. A bit of a 'I wanna be in your movie, so I'm gonna jump on your stage and take the starring role' kinda thing. It's a wee bit selfish, and although not powergaming, it comes close in some ways. Not precisely, but it's certainly 'pushy', and a fair bit insensitive. You need to learn some roleplay-foreplay, my friend. You can't just run up to a bunch of folks who are 'doing stuff' and maybe 'having fun', and expect to muscle your way in there to the front limelight, dry as a bone, without gauging the temperature and receptiveness first. Do that IRL, and you'd get a slap in the face.

You did this with Yu Wong when demanding a repairkit from some medics that you murdered, too, didn't you? Fun for you, great RP, really funny, edgy, comical nutjob Yu Wong... but not a lot of fun for them, really. They were shop dummies in your fantasy, not bit-parts in some classic improv drama. There wasn't much 'give or take' - more, 'here's my plot-line that I'm going to usurp yours with, take it, or die.' That is fine if all parties are ok with it (and usually they will signal that compliance using various subtle cues and hints). But if people are basically trapped in Yu Wong's latest mental crisis, things are not going to be all that great for them, are they?

The other thing you need to be very careful of, is that at least two of your characters (so far, the only two I have met) - namely Yu Wong and Harry Shopman - both exhibit exactly the same kind of oppressive, one-sided delusional facets to their personalities, and this is not a good plan. Your characters should be different - as far as humanly possible - or else they just become vehicles for lazy RP, and the same go-to memes. Harry Shopman did exactly the same kind of "I want things this way, so I will MAKE them be this way" RP on Mike Polo (your superior in the NHS), and decided that Mike was now the subject of an unrequited gay marriage, that Harry even went to the lengths of making real by forgery (or fraudulent obtaining) of various marriage licences and suchlike, allegedly signed by Father Augustus!

You see the pattern here? This isn't really what I'd call balanced roleplay. It's domination. Maybe by one character with a delusional bent, it's acceptable (in small enough doses to recover from, maybe). But in two characters? No way. It gets to be oppressive and frustrating for anyone caught in the path of those characters, and, by default, the actor driving them. Gotta stop.

I'm only banging on to this length because I can see what you're actually capable of, and I really want you to reach the RP skill-levels I think you can reach. I don't waste this much text on people or topics I don't give a shit about. Life is too short. This is your wake-up call. Stop being a lazy dominator in RP. Start thinking about JOINTLY fun activities, where the other actors on your virtual stage are IN ON IT, and WANTING TO BE A PART - not victims that you're pushing into a corner. It's meant to be ROLEPLAY, not STEAMROLLERPLAY.

Learn this, and you will go far. Forget it, and you will go to the dustbin of RPUK history and we will never know whether you really could have shined or not.

Don't let me - or yourself - down.

 

[YuWong]

but I will explain to any staff who aren't aware, if that is ok with you? Please let me know

Uh yeah, I don’t really hide it and people can generally tag on that I’m a bit special,

we all had a chuckle. 

It was fun

You did this with Yu Wong when demanding a repairkit from some medics that you murdered, too, didn't you?

It was a little bit deeper than this, I was politely asking for a repair kit and they said “I’m not a mechanic” whilst repairing their own vehicle, with a repair kit, and then tried getting me arrested by calling for police backup, I did warn them to not call for police- to which they did it again, I didn’t just murder them for not giving me a repair kit, also I made no attempt to try discard or remove their body, because the Roleplay that came after that was really fun, police interviews, witnesses, evidence, everything

Gotta stop.

I agree, I’ve been drawing up a couple of new characters in my head that are very passive, like a very gullible and over friendly police officer, (not sure how politically correct using accents are?)

Don't let me - or yourself - down.

I won’t let you down  

 

[TinyBigJacko]

It was a little bit deeper than this, I was politely asking for a repair kit and they said “I’m not a mechanic” whilst repairing their own vehicle, with a repair kit, and then tried getting me arrested by calling for police backup, I did warn them to not call for police- to which they did it again, I didn’t just murder them for not giving me a repair kit, also I made no attempt to try discard or remove their body, because the Roleplay that came after that was really fun, police interviews, witnesses, evidence, everything

I saw the entire encounter on video the day after it happened. With all due respect, it was not really any deeper than I outlined, at all.

You may have thought it was, from your standpoint, but having watched it and discussed it with the other parties (the ones that Yu Wong murdered), they were pretty much done for the moment they met you and refused to give you a repair-kit. Sure, they are not banned by NHS rules nor server rules from giving you a repair-kit, but they are perfectly entitled to not give you one, for whatever reason: fear of internal pressures or disciplinary action they might assume would follow from handing out NHS stores to random non-patients who get all up in their grill while they are busy out saving lives, or personal cost (if they paid for the kits themselves) or simply that they didn't have any more - and there was no way Yu Wong could know this.

And of course they are going to call for backup. They are defenceless medics, trying to save people's lives, not mechanics, nor are they armed guards.

Yu Wong murdered them. For repair-kits. Which he didn't even get.

Yes, it's sort of 'valid roleplay' in one sense - if we take it as read that Yu Wong is a total fucking nutjob who is a complete danger to society and - when caught - is looking at something approaching life-imprisonment without parole, or being detained at Her Majesty's Pleasure, or Sectioned under the Mental Health Act and incarcerated indefinitely on the grounds of criminal insanity.

But from the standpoint of 'giving people a bit of give and take', you really did not give them diddly-squat in that encounter. It was blindingly obvious that they did not really want to go down that route, and that you were doing what I said before - 'getting in on their movie', forcing yourself centre-stage into their drama, and taking it over.

In some situations, that's forgiveable - perhaps even desirable - but like I said, a kind actor would look for the cues, recognise if their actions were being received warmly, or whether it was clear that this was too far over the line. In my view, it was bloody obvious that this was going to end one of two ways - either you would grief a couple of medics into giving you a repair kit, and them getting into trouble and being delayed in their job (a job, I might add, that we have MASSIVE amounts of difficulty getting people to do already, because there are too many prize trolls and wankers making NHS life annoying and hard - and you of all people should know this, via Harry Shopman's experiences), or it would result in them getting to a 'stand-off' situation, whereupon Yu Wong would probably kill them, him being not of sound mind enough to back the fuck down like any normal human.

Was it worth it? IMHO, no.
Was it pleasant for the other participants? Definitely not.
Were you 'forcing your line of RP on others without any sensitivity?' 100%

I'm saying this again, not to give you a hard time, honestly, but to genuinely give yourself the ability to go back and study what happened, and to try and empathise more with the other players. I'm sure @Kseniyawill probably still have video, and maybe @VeikkQmight too. Go watch it. Put yourself in their shoes. Listen to how much of a repetitive nutjob wanker Yu Wong was being in the encounter, and ask yourself what you would have done, if you were an NHS medic with no repairkit to give? Or a perceived faction-requirement not to give one over to some crazy mentalist thinking they were the AA.

Watch, study, absorb, learn. Develop that insight more. Empathise. Remember you are on stage with other fine actors (at least some of the time), and give them a role to play - one that they choose, not the one you force on them. At least not ALL the time - which is sadly what you're doing way too much of at the moment.

I agree, I’ve been drawing up a couple of new characters in my head that are very passive, like a very gullible and over friendly police officer, (not sure how politically correct using accents are?)

Using accents is fine. Done well, it adds depth and immersion - but do be careful not to be some sort of overcooked, exaggerated racial stereotype for purely comedy purposes, or people may think you are mocking that particular ethnicity. But if you can do a believable foreign accent, go for it. There are many here who do, and it amazes me sometimes when I discover later that they are people I know, but did not cotton on to!

One word of warning... "over-friendly"... if this is @Thomasscode for "I'm going to get my cock out at every opportunity and shove it into people's hands, pockets, car-exhaust pipes without giving them room to manoeuvre...", then please, for fuck's sake, think again. Also bear in mind that police officers are expected to abide by a code set and learned deeply during their training, for one thing, and there is a limit to how 'friendly' they are allowed or meant to be in the course of their duty - again, believability is key. A police officer that routinely holds people's hands in public, or rubs himself up against people's legs, would not last long before being removed from the Force.

Comedy is fine, pushing the boundaries is fine, some but not all of the time, passivity/aggression - all fine, in measure. Normality is fine too. But the biggest thing you need to pick up, is empathy, and knowing when you've pushed the boundary to a point where others are getting uncomfortable or not wanting to play along. Bear in mind that it is incredibly hard for them to signal this without breaking RP, which would get them into trouble, so you have to be alert for those cues, and gentle in your approaches, so people are 'telegraphed' what to expect, and can react to them in-character, and give you a steer on whether to push your line of RP, or whether to accept theirs.

You'll get there, if you want to. We want you to, too. But no tutu, ok? No more nutjobs. You have enough in your character set already.
 

 

[YuWong]

Using accents is fine. Done well, it adds depth and immersion - but do be careful not to be some sort of overcooked, exaggerated racial stereotype for purely comedy purposes, or people may think you are mocking that particular ethnicity. But if you can do a believable foreign accent, go for it. There are many here who do, and it amazes me sometimes when I discover later that they are people I know, but did not cotton on to!

I have a couple of good ones I’ve been practising,

One word of warning... "over-friendly"... if this is @Thomasscode for "I'm going to get my cock out at every opportunity and shove it into people's hands, pockets, car-exhaust pipes without giving them room to manoeuvre...", then please, for fuck's sake, think again. Also bear in mind that police officers are expected to abide by a code set and learned deeply during their training, for one thing, and there is a limit to how 'friendly' they are allowed or meant to be in the course of their duty - again, believability is key. A police officer that routinely holds people's hands in public, or rubs himself up against people's legs, would not last long before being removed from the Force.

Not like this, more of like the below, 

@Kseniyaans @VeikkQknow I love them lots and if you have the video, please share with me on Discord, and as you know if I’ve ever pissed you off, just pull me up on it and chat with me, I’ve told you this before Veikk you toe,

@TinyBigJacko, I think Yu Wong is going to retire his criminal life, he did make some steps towards living a cleaner life when obtaining the nightclub but obviously still have some antics he needs to iron out, although I don’t think in his story, he will ever be perfect, as a 62 year old man, he probably needs to focus on not shitting himself more,

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[TinyBigJacko]

8 minutes ago, Thomass said:

I have a couple of good ones I’ve been practising,

Not like this, more of like the below, 

@Kseniyaans @VeikkQknow I love them lots and if you have the video, please share with me on Discord, and as you know if I’ve ever pissed you off, just pull me up on it and chat with me, I’ve told you this before Veikk you toe,

@TinyBigJacko, I think Yu Wong is going to retire his criminal life, he did make some steps towards living a cleaner life when obtaining the nightclub but obviously still have some antics he needs to iron out, although I don’t think in his story, he will ever be perfect, as a 62 year old man, he probably needs to focus on not shitting himself more,

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NGL, I feel like the prisoner guy already.

Help me, God, help me.

 

[YuWong]

NGL, I feel like the prisoner guy already.

Help me, God, help me.

We can be cellmates!

 

[Robbie]

@Thomassas TBJ said you have shown some good roleplay on the server and shown that you also learn from your mistakes, however that being said you just need to cut out the silly little mistakes that you keep doing. Take the words from TBJ on board and learn from them. You don't always need to involve yourself in other peoples roleplay and you don't always need to win, the main thing you need to do is make sure that you provide enjoyable roleplay for yourself and the other people in the scenario.

I look forward to seeing what creative roleplay you will add to the server from now on.

Don't let us down.

Unbanned

 

[Robbie]

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