Unban Appeal - Omnipotent - GTA RP

[Omnipotent]

Unban Appeal for Omnipotent 

In-game Name: Johnathon Lee

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561198435411890

Ban ID: !!rpuk14554!!

Reason given for your ban: (G3.1, G3.5)

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: I was banned for violating G3.1 and G3.5 in which I agree I have broken these rules.

Why should we unban you ?: This is my first offense when it comes to the rules. I have only started to play the server this week and within that time I have had the amazing opportunity to witness and partake the different types of roleplay on the server. I first started to become a solicitor on the server as I have had a interest within UK Law outside of the server and wished to practice law within the server. I am happy to say that this is the first FiveM server I have had a genuine interest in which I would like to keep contributing to the server by providing high-level role-play to Roleplay UK. When it comes to the reasoning of my ban I have not denied or wasted anyone's time by lying about the circumstances of my ban and have assisted staff within the Discord ticket to the best of my knowledge. As I wish to be apart of the server long-term I have now familiarised myself with the GTA rules and Community rules and hope to come back. I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused.

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 

[Charles Vane]

I see a lot has gone on with you ban. Some of it cleared up in a ticket and then we have the rulebreaks you are still banned for. 

So, lets talk about them. You have agreed you broke the rules but can you explain those rules to me, how you broke them and why those rules exist in the first place?

 

[Omnipotent]

Well with rule G3.1, the rule states that you can not use information that is received out of character and this rule is in place to prevent using the information to gain an advantage over other places. And with rule G3.5, the rule states that you cant use the information that you have received on one character and then use it on another character and this rule is in place to also prevent gaining an advantage over others.  

I broke them by agreeing to receive firearms on one character in exchange for providing legal representation on another character. This was done as I do not have any funds due to being new to the server however I do have knowledge to benefit players within the law sector. Like I had previously stated. I apologize for conducting myself this way. 

 

[Danoo]

Good afternoon @Omnipotent, I hope all is well!

I appreciate that you've apologised for your actions on the evening you received your ban.
What we still haven't managed to understand is why you had done it? You have been in this community since 2021 and by now I would've hoped you'd be familiar with the server rules.

So, were you aware that you were breaking the metagaming rules at the time and why did you do it? 

 

[Omnipotent]

Well I havent been in the community since 2021 (Otherwise it would have been two years since my first rule break). I had made a character back in 2021 but I was not really into FiveM at the time so I didnt play for 2 years but recently came on the server to see I had a character and started to play on that character which is why it says I was on back in 2021. And I broke the rules, unintentionally as I wasn't aware of the rules when I had did it, as I didnt really have much on my character to go around with and I would continuously get slain and taken to the pillbox so I decided I just needed the weapons so I didnt have to continuously wait long waiting times at the pillbox when someone would shoot me.  

 

[Danoo]

Good morning, @Omnipotent!

I broke the rules, unintentionally as I wasn't aware of the rules when I had did it

What I'm failing to understand now is why it has taken for you to receive this permanent ban to then go and read the server rules?
You had a chance to read them prior, but didn't and chose to completely disregard them which has gotten you into this situation.

Regardless, surely you would know that it's clearly not intended for you to cross your characters with one another? It is one of the easiest rules to follow here. 

 

[Omnipotent]

Well as mentioned within the ticket, when you proceed to join a FiveM server you dont go out of your way to study the rules.. You jump in to play and get a feel for the server you want to play and if you want to make the server something you want to play for a long time then you study the rules.

I was not aware at the time that you couldn't cross characters at the time. You state that it is the easiest of rules to follow but it takes me 5 full scroll wheels down the pages on the GTA Rules to get to the section on metagaming.. I now have full knowledge of the rules now as this is a server I wish to play for the long run however it seems you dont want me to play the server because of a mistake I made with the hostile demeanor you have present within your last message. I could have received it the wrong way but thats how it feels. The same type of demeanor was presented by other members of staff within the ticket I had also made when I was asked to contact staff on Discord. The way you point out "why it has taken for you to receive this permanent ban to then go and read the server rules" is so degrading. I have been informed by a player that plays the server 150x more than me that any infraction you receive is a "permanent ban" so I dont understand why you make it to be a serious infraction. There is only so many times I can tell you that I apologize for this incident and understand how this could effect things but im new and no items that I received where released into the general economy. I have already stated within the ticket that I am happy to surrender the firearms to staff if I get back on as they were obtained through an violation of metagaming. I only started 1 semi active week of the server and already got a feel for the server in which I still wanna play if thats alright with you. 

 

[Danoo]

Good evening @Omnipotent, I hope all is well

None of my responses are hostile, remember that you had managed to get yourself banned from the community.
You've made it to the unban appeals, we won't just welcome players back with open arms because they have apologised in the first section of their appeal although it does go a long way!
The whole point of an appeal, is for us to ask these questions and attempt to get a better understanding of the players thought process during the rule break so we then have a clearer image on weather we are able to trust letting them back in or not. Ultimately what we wouldn't want is for a player to log back in and get banned again within a few days at it would be a waste of time. Please do not take my responses as hostile, I am only attempting to get a better understanding of the situation.

I have been informed by a player that plays the server 150x more than me that any infraction you receive is a "permanent ban" so I dont understand why you make it to be a serious infraction.

If you have read over the rules as stated, you'd know that not every infraction is a "permanent ban" hence why I had pointed yours out.
We have a fair ban system in place which is clearly displayed on the rules page for all members to view, there are only certain rules which bypass the FBS and land a permanent, this unfortunately just so happens to be one of them. 

 

[Omnipotent]

I understand you want to see I have a comprehensive understanding of the rules, and I have done my best to achieve this. I sincerely hope that I have come across this way, and I truly do wish to play within this community. I apologise once more for my break in the rules due to my lack of understanding, and I hope I can be given another chance to prove I am here to provide quality roleplay as well as create new experiences.

I also now understand that it is an exception to the ban steps, and I do not intend to cause any harm to the community with my actions, nor do I intend to experience the tiers of bans. I believe I have said what I can regarding the matter.

 

[Danoo]

Good afternoon, @Omnipotent!

I'm sure you'll appreciate that I'm now a little confused as to what you're telling me.
You've stated multiple times throughout this appeal that you've read the server rules and understand them now, yet you had no idea about the Fair Ban System we have in place which is displayed on the rules page? 

 

[Omnipotent]

At this point I am unsure you want me back at this point.

It is my personal opinion that this shouldn't have been a permanent ban. This is my first offense. The only reason I am permanent banned was for the reason of "Make a ticket on Discord". I was not banned originally for meta gaming until I had admitted my mistake freely. In no way did I try and hide the fact I did it as at the time I didnt have any knowledge on the rules but now I know. No where in the rules does it state that G3.1 or G3.5 is a permanent ban. The only thing it states is that is is 'punishable by a ban'.  I am aware of the FBS you have in place but most offences I read up upon are permanent bans. I was told by a friend that most offenses are permanent bans. I also stated that he has played 150x more then me in which it states in your rules the following "Our ban system has transitioned from a permanent ban system to an automated timed ban system where the ban length and rule number will be listed in the ban reason" in which he must he must be used to seeing permanent bans being handing out for the most minor of offences in the past.

You state "Ultimately what we wouldn't want is for a player to log back in and get banned again within a few days at it would be a waste of time". I have been at this appeal now for almost 2 weeks trying to get another chance but you are continuously trying to find flaws within my sentences or presenting yourself in a hostile demeanor in which its quite unfair. I have explained my reasoning and thoughts behind this ban along with providing other information within the Discord ticket I had to make when I was originally banned and complied with any questions your team have presented me but yet I am still getting grilled for no reason. I have no intention of getting banned if I was to return because what would be the point in that? Im not a Mass RDMer or anything of the sort. I intend to roleplay with friends on the server and have a good time providing good roleplay with others. 

 

[Stuart]

Explain to me why you we're rude to staff in the ticket. Why should we waste our time when you can't even be respectful to others? 

 

[Omnipotent]

I was briefly rude due to the members of staff being highly cryptic and straight up throwing accusations towards me that were not even true. What is the point of trying to be friendly to individuals who didn't want to be friendly at the time? I am a respectful individual when you get to know me but if you are gonna show a non-friendly attitude towards me then expect it back? 

Im happy to post the logs of the ticket here if needed. 

 

[Stuart]

I was briefly rude due to the members of staff being highly cryptic and straight up throwing accusations towards me that were not even true.

Briefly? So yes there wasn't much said from the outset as we wanted some answers and to see what you would say to us since you did receive items from a friend according to yourself who was indeed cheating. During this you decided to ask the following "Are you braindead?" and carry on from there. 

What is the point of trying to be friendly to individuals who didn't want to be friendly at the time?

You we're the first one to be rude after checking over the ticket, Feel free to read the ticket yourself as you do have the transcript. 

I am a respectful individual when you get to know me but if you are gonna show a non-friendly attitude towards me then expect it back? 

If this is true then why wasn't this the case in the ticket? 

This is something I'd like addressed before I even go into the rules ect and go from there as if you can't be respectful towards members of the staff team, How can we expect you to be towards members of the community?

 

[Omnipotent]

You we're the first one to be rude after checking over the ticket, Feel free to read the ticket yourself as you do have the transcript. 

I do not consider a member of staff looking into an external community I am in outside of FiveM and then to question me about policies related to that community to be friendly. I consider that to be quite rude and quite invasive. 

Your member of staff who I shall not name out of respect put following:

"If someone breaks the rules on the REDACTED Discord or game, is it excusable to say "sorry I didn't read the rules"?

During this you decided to ask the following "Are you braindead?" and carry on from there. 

darkomnipotent Oct 29, 2023 12:04 AM



Are you braindead?





 
oneshot0 Oct 29, 2023 12:04 AM



R u
 
You leave out the part where your member of staff also engaged in rudeness by putting "R u" straight after. We both apologized and move on with the questions your team had for me. Then Drex puts: 
 
"Any further hostility in this ticket will be met with the ticket being closed without further response, and you'll be referred to our unban section.
Is this understood?

(Please don't "tick yes" without reading my message)"
 
"(Please don't "tick yes" without reading my message)" was just completely unnecessary and a shot at me for making a comment about reading the rules when you create a character. 
 

If this is true then why wasn't this the case in the ticket? 

This was the case in this ticket. I was fully cooperative with all questions that were asked and was only rude during parts of the ticket where I was accused with colluding with cheaters (in which I was told I wouldn't be appealing this because I was not banned for it nor was it something I did). I believe I have alot of members within the community that can vouch or verify my respect towards them and that is only within 1 week of playing the server. Now I apologized multiple times within the ticket about my brief misconduct outbursts but I am not gonna sit there and take your accusations and accept them when your accusations of cheating are clearly false.  

 

[Stuart]

I do not consider a member of staff looking into an external community I am in outside of FiveM and then to question me about policies related to that community to be friendly. I consider that to be quite rude and quite invasive. 

Your member of staff who I shall not name out of respect put following:

"If someone breaks the rules on the REDACTED Discord or game, is it excusable to say "sorry I didn't read the rules"?

This was due to you trying to justify you getting and I'll quote "to get a boost really within the criminal sector on my new account".

darkomnipotent Oct 29, 2023 12:04 AM



Are you braindead?





 
oneshot0 Oct 29, 2023 12:04 AM



R u
 
You leave out the part where your member of staff also engaged in rudeness by putting "R u" straight after. We both apologized and move on with the questions your team had for me. Then Drex puts: 
 
"Any further hostility in this ticket will be met with the ticket being closed without further response, and you'll be referred to our unban section.
Is this understood?

(Please don't "tick yes" without reading my message)"
 
"(Please don't "tick yes" without reading my message)" was just completely unnecessary and a shot at me for making a comment about reading the rules when you create a character. 
 

Indeed you did get the response back due to you being rude first. Since you claim you shouldn't be respectful to others who aren't respectful however you we're the one who was rude first. 

This was the case in this ticket. I was fully cooperative with all questions that were asked and was only rude during parts of the ticket where I was accused with colluding with cheaters (in which I was told I wouldn't be appealing this because I was not banned for it nor was it something I did). I believe I have alot of members within the community that can vouch or verify my respect towards them and that is only within 1 week of playing the server. Now I apologized multiple times within the ticket about my brief misconduct outbursts but I am not gonna sit there and take your accusations and accept them when your accusations of cheating are clearly false.  

After your little spat with being rude indeed you did change your attitude. You need to understand our position, Your friend cheated and helped you gain items. Do you really expect us to not question your intentions and to try and find out more about this? 

As mentioned in the ticket we haven't accused you, Since if you had been cheating the appeal wouldn't be happening and the door would of remained closed fully to you. If you have read my responses here, I haven't accused you of cheating however questioning your outbursts and trying to work out if this is how you act normally, If you will be like this towards members of the community also. 

I will say when you we're talking to another Staff Lead you did change your tone, So why did you see it fit to start being rude to staff first off? Explain this to me as I would like to understand and get a better understanding of this and fingers crossed we can then move forth and into the reason you are banned.

 

[Omnipotent]

This was due to you trying to justify you getting and I'll quote "to get a boost really within the criminal sector on my new account".

Indeed you did get the response back due to you being rude first. Since you claim you shouldn't be respectful to others who aren't respectful however you we're the one who was rude first. 

I will say when you we're talking to another Staff Lead you did change your tone, So why did you see it fit to start being rude to staff first off? 

So you are stating that your team is allowed to freely look into my external communities that I am in and to try and figure out who I am? Also with this your team was very cryptic with their wording and it showed that they had already made up their mind on my case showing a complete disregard for my version of events within the ticket. If this isnt rude then I dont know what is at this point. 

You need to understand our position, Your friend cheated and helped you gain items. Do you really expect us to not question your intentions and to try and find out more about this? 

I completely understand your position on this but what I am not understanding is your belief that I would associate myself with cheaters. I do not associate or play with cheaters at all. If what you are claiming is that "Your friend cheated" then proceed to ban this player for breaking C2.1 because I do not associate nor accept any form of cheating. It ruins the game for others and provides an unfair advantage. I received my firearms from my mates in exchange for legal representation within the courts. I didn't know at the time that the rule prohibited character separation. 

I will say when you we're talking to another Staff Lead you did change your tone, So why did you see it fit to start being rude to staff first off? Explain this to me as I would like to understand and get a better understanding of this and fingers crossed we can then move forth and into the reason you are banned.

It was not me who was rude in the first place. Being cryptic and deceptive in the first place is rude to someone who has only just started 1 week of the server trying to figure out how to start up within the city. Im just trying to play and have fun with others. Also within the ticket I was quite forthcoming and answer all questions your team had. It was till the accusation of cheating was thrown when I started to get quite annoyed. 

trying to work out if this is how you act normally, If you will be like this towards members of the community also. 

I have never shown any rudeness or outbursts to any member of the community since I have started to play on the server. If I am going to be a lawyer on the server then outbursts will end that career very fast. Im quite fair and friendly with players in which ill say again if you need witnesses to my character then I am happy to provide. 

 

[Stuart]

So you are stating that your team is allowed to freely look into my external communities that I am in and to try and figure out who I am? Also with this your team was very cryptic with their wording and it showed that they had already made up their mind on my case showing a complete disregard for my version of events within the ticket. If this isnt rude then I dont know what is at this point. 

3 hours ago, Stuart said:

It wasn't "Digging into the communities you was in, It was more drawing points from one place and another. The "Excuse" you was trying to use of "I didn't read the rules no one does" but ticked the box stating I have isn't a good defence. If you read up on the ticket fully you will see this.

In relation to this "Cryptic part" You keep claiming, I've read the ticket fully and there we're questions that needed answering and you we're informed after the chat that you would be told fully why you we're banned and can see you we're told fully.

I completely understand your position on this but what I am not understanding is your belief that I would associate myself with cheaters. I do not associate or play with cheaters at all. If what you are claiming is that "Your friend cheated" then proceed to ban this player for breaking C2.1 because I do not associate nor accept any form of cheating. It ruins the game for others and provides an unfair advantage. I received my firearms from my mates in exchange for legal representation within the courts. I didn't know at the time that the rule prohibited character separation. 

We haven't claimed you have cheated but you did get help from someone cheating that you claimed in your own ticket was a friend of yours. However this come about you did gain items from this and there is no denying this part. 

It was not me who was rude in the first place. Being cryptic and deceptive in the first place is rude to someone who has only just started 1 week of the server trying to figure out how to start up within the city. Im just trying to play and have fun with others. Also within the ticket I was quite forthcoming and answer all questions your team had. It was till the accusation of cheating was thrown when I started to get quite annoyed. 

Being "Cryptic" as you say, I see it from the point of there is a conversation and information we want to clear up before going any further. You we're banned with the reason "Speak to staff" and that's what happened and then informed of the two rules. I will give you credit and you we're forth coming however you wasn't accused of cheating however from your own words a friend of yours was cheating so this was indeed questioned.

I have never shown any rudeness or outbursts to any member of the community since I have started to play on the server. If I am going to be a lawyer on the server then outbursts will end that career very fast. Im quite fair and friendly with players in which ill say again if you need witnesses to my character then I am happy to provide. 

No problem, I do hope that should you be in a position again when being talked to by staff that you please keep the same behaviour as you would to any member of the community moving forth. One thing I will say and I'd like to make clear, If you have a bad encounter with a staff member you are able to reach out to myself or another Staff Lead and we will have a chat about it and go from there. 

Now lets move onto the appeal overall and the reasons you we're banned. Have you took the time to read the rules since you have been banned?

If so can you quote both rules and explain in your own words why you believe we have such rules in place?

 

[Omnipotent]

No problem, I do hope that should you be in a position again when being talked to by staff that you please keep the same behaviour as you would to any member of the community moving forth. One thing I will say and I'd like to make clear, If you have a bad encounter with a staff member you are able to reach out to myself or another Staff Lead and we will have a chat about it and go from there. 

I appreciate that and ill keep that in mind thank you.

Now lets move onto the appeal overall and the reasons you we're banned. Have you took the time to read the rules since you have been banned?

If so can you quote both rules and explain in your own words why you believe we have such rules in place?

 I have read up on the rules since I was banned. I was banned for G3.1 and G3.5

G3.1 is regarding OOC information in which you are not allowed to use out of character information to change the course of roleplay. You have this rule in place to prevent anyone breaking this rule gaining an unfair advantage over other players. Using outside information is unfair on other players who are having to gain the information from learning it in-game instead of using external communication. 

G3.5 is regarding Character Separation in which you cant use information you have gathered through other characters. You also have this rule in place to prevent anyone from gaining an unfair advantage over others. Like stated beforehand, using information you have gathered from other characters is also unfair on other players.