Unban Appeal - NotLevi - GTA RP

[NotLevi]

Unban Appeal for NotLevi 

In-game Name: James Fraser

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561198995381616

Ban ID: !!rpuk9885!!

Reason given for your ban: C2.3

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: I was banned for rule C2.3, which is the 'Combat Logging' rule.
Around 30 days ago, I was about to head off of the server, until I found myself involved in an RP situation which then led to my character getting shot, then further getting shot in the head and then finally the body was blown up in a car, and I was left.
Under the impression that the RP was over, and everyone was satisfied, it was getting late and I decided to turn off my PC and go to bed before completing the timer.
Thus, leading to my ban.
I believe I was banned, because from a staff perspective, I could have logged on at a later date and carried out my timer, however this was not my intention.

Why should we unban you ?: 
I believe I should be unbanned because in that situation, I left the server after finishing the roleplay scenario, and did not disconnect with malicious intent.
I did not disconnect to save any items and/or harm anyone's roleplay or anything along the lines of that.
Whilst it is still a rule break to leave when incapacitated, this was an honest mistake made by myself, and I understand why I was banned.
I left the server once the RP was complete with the intention of not playing that character again afterwards - hence why I didn't wait out my timer and continue playing.
RPUK is a community I love being a part of, and I believe my unban should be considered as I made a mistake. I have taken this 30-day appeal cooldown period to reflect on the situation that led to my ban, and have taken time to think about how I could have done things differently.

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 

[Drex]

Hello there!

While I appreciate your side of the story, it is impossible to judge based of our logs if something was done with malice or not - hence why it is simply forbidden to disconnect whilst incapacitated as a "blanket rule". 

- With your 243 OOC chat messages in total, you are no stranger to "/ooc" - yet this time, it appears to have slipped your mind.
How come you didn't mention anything in OOC, to staff in Discord or TeamSpeak or made any attempts to inform anybody that you needed to leave?

 

[NotLevi]

Hi  

In all honesty, a quick message in OOC or discord did slip my mind. It’s frustrating something so simple would have prevented this situation.

I have no excuses for why I didn’t put a message in OOC, it was a mistake from me not to do so. 

Thanks for getting back so quickly! 

 

[Stuart]

Having a look back on your last ban and appeal one would think you would want to stay the correct side of the rules and not break more to return to this section again. You mentioned in your last appeal the following "I can assure you that I will not break any more rules upon my possible return" and also confirmed you had thoroughly read the rules, So with this in mind why would you risk ending up back here given by your own words you was well aware of what combat logging falls under and how it's defined ? 

 

[NotLevi]

Hi, thanks for taking the time to reply. 

It's not that I didn't want to follow the rules, it was just the fact that I had to leave. I knew I had to complete the RP situation I was in and I did my best to make sure everyone was satisfied with the situation.  - As mentioned previously by Drex I should have notified someone in OOC or discord. 

Obviously, no matter the circumstance, disconnecting while incapacitated is a rule break to prevent people doing so with malicious intent to effect RP.  It was purely because of the situation that I was in, I did not think of it in this way - while I read it in the rules, it just wasn't something that crossed my mind, and I apologise for being so inconsiderate. 

I made an assumption, however I should have took more time and thought about what I was doing before heading off. 

There's not much more that I can add to this, other than that it was a silly mistake and I had no intention of even playing on that character again  - another reason why I didn't bother to wait out my respawn timer. However obviously staff couldn't have knew this. 

 

[Stuart]

Since having a look you have talked within ooc chat before, So what made this situation different to not inform us? 

Is this the only time you have broken this rule?

 

[NotLevi]

As I said it just slipped my mind, every other time if I have had to leave I've informed those involved with any RP. 

To my knowledge I've never forgot to do this in any other situation. 

 

[Stuart]

So to your knowledge this is the first and only time you have combat logged, Just so we are on the same page correct? One thing to also keep in mind, Honesty is the best policy here.

 

[NotLevi]

You have the logs so you can double check for me, but this is the only situation I can think of where I've logged out whilst incapacitated and not let the other party know I had to leave via discord or teamspeak etc. 
I'm not here to purposely break rules or ruin peoples RP, if I have to leave and I'm down or in an RP I'd usually let people know. 

 

[Stuart]

So as you claimed in the above message you believed it was your only time combat logging being this time so indeed I did a bit of digging. I've kept it fair and only checked after your last ban for G2.9. On your James character alone I have found 10 other times you have combat logged between May and this ban, There was one time you logged out whilst downed that I first noticed that was 5 minutes from an 8pm restart so I will chalk that one up to restart happening however that still leaves 9 other times on one character.

Now I am very confident should I check your other characters I will see more of the same pattern, So explain to me why you believe combat logging is fine for you to do should you feel you won't get caught? 

 

[NotLevi]

Hi, 

To be honest at these times, I was just assuming that if the RP was over I was okay to disconnect, and I would only get banned if another player were to have an issue and report me. 

I think at these times I just thought it would be okay to disconnect as long as I didn't do it with malicious intent, obviously as previously mentioned staff can't decide from logs if something was done with malice or not. As mentioned by Drex, its a blanket rule and it's something that you as staff see a lot of. 

Clearly there's been times where I haven't took this rule into account, and not waited out my respawn timer, I can also see how this is an issue because it is taking away the possibility of an NHS roleplay situation. 

Looking back at it now, I don't believe combat logging is fine to do, and I now see why it is such a big deal that people disconnect when downed, as not only they could do it to alter the outcome of a situation - but it also gets rid of possible RP scenarios. 

I'd like to add that should I get the opportunity to re-enter the community, I would take this as a lesson and make sure I wait out my timers, and not be so impatient. 

Another thing I'd like to add is after having waited 30 days, my impatience when incapacitated has only caused me to have to wait longer - and this is a lesson learned in itself. 

 

[Stuart]

Indeed what Drex mentioned is correct and indeed it is somewhat difficult at times to verify if it was with malice or not however there are some ways we can check this, Not every time but it could be possible in some cases. 

Having the look of if the other party we're bothered they would have reported me in all honesty is a pretty low view to hold, As a member of the community you are held to the same standards of the rules even if another side doesn't report you as for all you know a staff member may be watching, Other members of the public or simply newer players. If a newer player sees one player doing it then they may believe it's fine for them to do the same thing when this isn't the case. 

You've been part of the community for a good few months at this point so it wouldn't be to much of a stretch to assume you know the rules overall, If not all then some of the more important ones. I'm sure as a cop you have had people combat log on yourself so you should understand the seriousness of such a rule being in place.

You are correct, Given the short amount of time you could of waited turned into a much longer time as a whole you have had to wait before we would have a talk in relation to the rule broken multiple times. 

Given what I've found so far on you combat logging, How can you assure us that you won't simply do the same if you believe you will get away with it? Since this does play into other rules that may be broken moving forth should we allow you a chance to return. 

 

[NotLevi]

Appreciate the speedy reply, 

I can assure you that I won't do this again, I know its not something that is dealt with lightly. Having to wait a longer period of time to be able to talk about the matter alone has helped me realise that it isn't worth it. I also know that I wouldn't get away with it, as you have a lot of staff who do checks on logs and spectate situations. I also don't want to risk worsening anyone else's experience in the server. 

During this 30 days, I've still been active within the discord and forums, as this is a community that I want to help grow and set good examples for new players. 

I feel you should allow me a chance to return, as it's very rewarding providing good roleplay, and this is something I'd like to focus on a lot more - whilst staying in check with the rules. I'm not here to purposely ruin things for others or give anyone a negative experience. 

This whole conversation that we have had has helped me understand the impact of combat logging, and as you mentioned, looking at it from a cops perspective it helps me understand the seriousness of it all. 

 

[Ram]

I'm willing to give you another chance, with that being said considering your history any rule break in the span of the next 6 months will immediately result in a permanent ban, don't screw it up!

Unbanned

 

[Ram]

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