Unban Appeal - JamesShaw - GTA RP

[JamesShaw]

Unban Appeal for JamesShaw 

In-game Name: Sam Spice

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561198800026670

Ban ID: !!rpuk13773!!

Reason given for your ban: Meta

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: Well I'm back, yes I am fully aware of my past and how this Unban appeal is going to look. However I'm not going to lie in this unban appeal nor have I ever done so before in any of my appeals. To be completely honest I'm not entirely sure for the reason of my ban hence why I opened a ticket. I'm genuinely confused to the reason but I guess I will go based off of the reason BMAV pulled me to discord the other day. A message was put out in OOC yesterday by BMAV asking my discord to come to QE. This was after a gunfight with Grove and the Police, due to me streaming my game in a Discord Server. I wasn't deafened in the server and was actively speaking to all the individuals in the call. Hence BMAV thinking I was relaying information between the discord members. Yes I will personally admit it looked dodgy, however the intentions behind it were pure and nothing out of spite for Grove or parties involved. I know this isn't relevant but I will provide just a little context to the situation, I was in cells with Ghost Woods, known member of Grove and I think if you were to ask him he would agree the RP from both sides was nothing out of a laugh. Given I was in a call that did not change my RP with Ghost where we went down the reduced sentence road. Surely if I was metagaming me sentencing Ghost would have been influenced by who I was in a call with to give Max Sentence but this wasn't the case.

Another situation involving other Grove members with myself and Alec Hunter was nothing out a laugh. With us transporting Grove etc to Prison where the G6 van had a fit and a half flying around the map for a solid few minutes. leading to me only sentencing them to 2 Months. Surely me metagaming would have influenced my RP ?

To keep it short and not mention all the GOOD interactions I have had with Grove I will get back onto the situation with BMAV. BMAV questioned my activity in the discord server and why I was streaming. As previously said I constantly stream in the discord. It's generally a hotspot discord where loads of members of the community pass through on a daily basis. I will stream throughout the day when I am around whether this is early in the morning with me chasing drug dealers or me even just driving around in a taxi. I provided BMAV with clips of situations not involving Grove where I am seen in the discord streaming whilst talking to individuals. As far as I am aware there is nothing wrong with this. Since coming back from my ban I have kept a clean record, yes I was kicked a few days ago for a silly comment I made in OOC but other than that I have done absolutely nothing wrong.

If Staff wish to see these videos I am more than happy to do so as I said I would in the ticket. However due to nature of these clips I will not post these in the appeal. I believed the whole situation with BMAV was cleared up, until today when I was tabbed out and received messages about myself getting banned. I then tabbed back in and found out I was permad for metagaming.

Why should we unban you ?: I believe I should be unbanned because as far as I am aware I haven't broken any rules. I have kept a clean record and provided good RP throughout my time. I am happy to answer any questions or provide clips in a ticket if staff would like that

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 

[Liam]

Where do you Stream?

 

[JamesShaw]

How you doing @Liam,

When I did stream my cop character doing general stuff it would be split primarily between 2 discord's. The one I use to stream but rarely do nowadays would be one including numerous different members of the community. This would be mainly people involved in gangs along the likes of 229, Ballas and a few from other groups. However I usually stream in the Mara discord where there is a large number of the community who are also a part of it. In addition to this quite a few staff members who are able to see streams aswell. It is the same story with the Marabunta discord, it holds a ton of the community with people from all different whitelisted gangs. As previously said it's just a hotspot where a lot of the community pass through. 

As I don't currently play crim I generally just stream to show other people in the discord a Cop's side of Roleplaying and what it is usually like. As previously said If staff do wish to see clips of myself talking in the discord whilst doing generic stuff as boring as driving a taxi I'm more than happy to provide that.

However to answer your question in a more precise way I typically stream in a certain Channel in the Marabunta discord that requires a role. The role is typically for friends of Marabunta who gain access to the extra room where people chat.

 

[Liam]

Tell me about when Grove and Marabunta were fighting, and you as a lone cop would start RVDMing Grove Members? Did you do this when you were streaming to Marabunta? Now I hope you're going to be 100% honest here because if you aren't and feel like you can hide things from me, you will be very wrong and will more than likely regret it.

 

[JamesShaw]

Thanks for the speedy reply @Liam

To be completely honest, this is news to me. I am not trying to hide things or lie here but I am genuinely confused as to when this occurred. All situations I have been involved in regarding Grove have been with Police backup. I haven't been pulled regarding this or been taken to Discord about this situation. I could have potentially been streaming but as said I'm am generally confused to when this could have happened. If this did happen it would not have been influenced by anyone I am discord in. I have only just been unbanned for RDM and definitely not trying to make a repeat of the last unban appeal. Like I have previously said I have had many great interactions with Grove, such as the situation with Ghost where I was streaming in the discord and the RP we had was great. I was in discord for this situation and my RP was not at all influenced same goes for my other RP experiences. The situations I have been involved in with Grove was the Ghost situation involving the Police shootout and the situation with BMAV getting chased because of RP reasons. In addition to this shootouts between Grove and Mara but the only interactions being telling Grove to get their bodies and get out of the area. To my knowledge the only time I have downed Grove members would be in an exchange of Fire.

I do apologize if this did occur but truthfully I genuinely can not recall this happening. If there is a clip of the incident or anything else that would be greatly appreciated but other than that I have no idea as to when this occurred or who it occurred to. 

Thank you for the reply and I'm sorry that I could not further answer your question

 

[Liam]

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1oy2YkT1UB46hj/UeR3ly22SCgN?invite=cr-MSxTaE0sMTc0NzIxNjY5LAh

You can't recall this?

I'll ask again, were you or were you not streaming in Marabunta Discord whilst RVDMing Grove Street members?

 

[JamesShaw]

Hiya @Liam

I mean wow, that is really poor RP. Definitely not what an officer should be doing especially on an Alpha Mike unit. I could have potentially been streaming at that time yes and it would have been in the Marabunta discord.

However, that wasn't me on the bike. I was actually in Sandy Hospital whilst that was kicking off due to being killed. I was killed by Mario with a Combat PDW and that should show up in kill logs. 

So yes, I cannot recall this as it wasn't me, I didn't even have access to the bikes yet as my RPU whitelisting wasn't given to me. Secondly, I was in hospital which should show in logs after getting killed by a Combat PDW. I was with Tommy Mcgree, Brad Cooke and Bruno Lloyd. You can ask 1A3 himself as he plays Bruno that is what happened. I would most likely have been streaming the medal clip and I have it saved if you wish to see it. 

Thanks for reading my reply

 

[Liam]

Alright,

There was a miscommunication in your ban notes. The person in that clip is not you.

However,

Do you think its fair for you as Police to stream the gunfight of Mara & Grove from a Police POV to Marabunta? Marabunta would be able to see numerous different angles, they'd be able to see how many are still up, they'd be able to see how to push. Its essentially them having a UAV over the gunfight, although you can be downed and removed from gunfight it is not as if Grove are aware that you're live streaming to Marabunta so that they can rectify that issue that is putting them at a disadvantage.

You stated to Bmav in a liaison that you were streaming to an empty room, and you always do this. Is this true?

 

[JamesShaw]

Thank you the reply @Liam

I understand what you're saying about it essentially being a UAV for them, however it definitely isn't used in that way. When I stream in the morning yes you will hear me speaking in the discord with other individuals. Such as the other day the Balla and Police shootout after an altercation between both groups, in that clip I was streaming and speaking to other individuals. However in regards to the Marabunta gunfights that is far from the case. After a few of them getting banned for G3.1 a while back it is something that none of them want to fall back into. Isak has made it very clear to everyone that trying something such as Metagaming is a no no in the gang. The only people who would actually be watching the clip are people who are not in the server or not in the gang. This ensures it is fair for everyone involved in the situation. 

I understand that it could be used as a game changing advantage for Marabunta but I'm fairly sure whilst I was still in the sever they lost a few fights. Everything that is streamed from my cop character is not used by Marabunta members as that would ruin the whole fun of a war. As soon as Marabunta would set up for a push everyone would deafen themselves except from people in the discord who are not in the server or not in the gang. Obviously Grove are going to be unaware of me streaming my cop character POV however as previously said me streaming has no influence over anyone in the game.

However given the chance of an unban it isn't something that will be a repeat performance, I can assure you that. Metagaming is something I would never have thought to get banned for as it ruins every individuals story line. 

In regards to the BMAV liaison I do not recall saying I was streaming to an empty room once. In the call I stated how I stream in the discord most of the time I am on my cop that isn't just specifically streaming for Mara vs Grove situations but general Police situations. I provided BMAV with clips of situations where I can also be heard in the Marabunta discord speaking to people whilst they're watching my stream. More specifically it was the Balla ambush at Pillbox around midday. If anything was said along them lines it would have been that Marabunta are deafened during any fights they're involved in, and that I usually stream in there.

Thanks for reading my reply and clearing up that It wasn't me in Grapeseed

 

[Liam]

After a few of them getting banned for G3.1 a while back it is something that none of them want to fall back into. Isak has made it very clear to everyone that trying something such as Metagaming is a no no in the gang. The only people who would actually be watching the clip are people who are not in the server or not in the gang. This ensures it is fair for everyone involved in the situation. 

As soon as Marabunta would set up for a push everyone would deafen themselves except from people in the discord who are not in the server or not in the gang. 

This isn't necessarily true, every single person minus the ones who are banned that were in the channel and watching the Stream were on the server in numerous instances...

 

[JamesShaw]

Hi @Liam

To my knowledge the only time people who were in the server and watching my stream were primarily doing stuff such as cutting coke, or other things not involving Police or any type of Mara and Grove situation. As far as I am aware people who were watching my stream during Grove and Mara situations were either not in the server or not in the gang. However some people do have streams open in the background behind their game muted. As I said previously if someone could have potentially been watching the stream it would not have been metagamed. It is typically checked that no one is watching the stream who are in game by higherups in Mara.

Thanks for reading the reply

 

[Liam]

Correct if I am wrong.

People within Marabunta F6, could have been watching your stream to metagame.

Yes or No?

 As far as I am aware people who were watching my stream during Grove and Mara situations were either not in the server or not in the gang

As far as you're aware because you're tabbed into the game right? What you can't see, can't hurt you?

However some people do have streams open in the background behind their game muted. As I said previously if someone could have potentially been watching the stream it would not have been metagamed. It is typically checked that no one is watching the stream who are in game by higherups in Mara.

Two very conflicting statements.

Essentially, you have given people the stage to metagame if they so wish.

Whilst there are absolutely no rules against streaming in a Discord server except the obvious ones of Streamsniping, hot micing, and metagaming. To me, personally and the rest of the Staff Team. It looks as though whenever there is a gunfight between Grove & Marabunta, that you are streaming that and that alone. Which as I stated previously, is giving Marabunta an advantage that Grove are not aware of nor can do anything about it.

 

[JamesShaw]

Thanks for the quick response @Liam

Nothing that was observed on my stream was metagamed by anyone in the game as far I as am aware. This is fairly apparent as when I was there Grove won the fights, showing there was no foul play or advantage to Marabunta.

I understand you think I'm trying too play the well if I don't know then it isn't my fault, but that isn't my goal here. As I have previously said I have confidence that people I was in the discord with were not metagaming. Yes I was streaming and they also had access to the stream but it wasn't used to their advantage. Like I have previously said I'm not just specifically streaming the Grove and Marabunta situations. I have them clips if they wish to be seen by staff, however yes most of the time in the evening my stream would be primarily revolving around the Grove and Marabunta situation due to that being the only real thing going on at the moment. When attending these situations I would also arrest them and go through the whole prison sentence, showing my intention to roleplay with individuals involved in the situation. This roleplay would go on for a while, I'm not going to the situation in an attempt to give them an advantage and then bugger off as soon as it is over. 

What I mean by the statement is that people may have the stream open on their discord but actively tabbed into the game. I have accidentally done this before due to the stream being muted and forgetting it is even running.

To put it simply nothing was metagamed as it is fairly apparent there was no advantage given seeing as Grove won a fair few of the fights. Marabunta won the fight up in Grapeseed whilst I was laying dead in Sandy hospital showing their potential to win. 

As previously said I don't agree with metagaming and would not promote it. Same goes for ISAK who keeps strict control over everyone in Marabunta ensuring people aren't getting themselves banned for stupid situations.

Thanks for reading the reply and hopefully this can give some insight.

 

[Liam]

Nothing that was observed on my stream was metagamed by anyone in the game as far I as am aware. This is fairly apparent as when I was there Grove won the fights, showing there was no foul play or advantage to Marabunta.

People can metagame, and still lose.

Yes I was streaming and they also had access to the stream but it wasn't used to their advantage.

How do you know?

What I mean by the statement is that people may have the stream open on their discord but actively tabbed into the game. I have accidentally done this before due to the stream being muted and forgetting it is even running.

Which contradicts your statement about Marabunta Highers removing those people who is in game, and watching the stream.

Side note;

What's the purpose of streaming your appeal?

We always want effort, detail and people to create their own work so that we can gauge whether they know why they are here or if others are writing their appeal for them. Sadly I don't believe that you're writing your own replies by yourself.

Denied