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Unban Appeal - fenrirCS - GTA RP

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fenrirCS

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Unban Appeal for fenrirCS 

In-game Name: Will Fox

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561198056911552

Ban ID: !!rpuk6837!!

Reason given for your ban: (C2.3) - Forum Report

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: I just read the ban report and saw the evidence, and I was banned for logging out whilst I was downed, violating (C2.3).

Why should we unban you ?: I have been a long-time RP player on Altis (or at least formerly), and fairly recently started playing the GTA RP server. After the video shown in the ban report took place, I rejoined the server (this was sometime later, I went to get some food so I'd assume about an hour). I saw in OOC someone had mentioned a King Mask player combat logging, although I didn't think I had. As I was wearing a King Mask, I joined TS to be sure, and couldn't find the player (searched and Ctrl + F'd) who put the message in chat. To be sure I joined the staff help channel and spoke to a staff member. I explained the situation as follows:

We spotted a vehicle, the owners of which we had previously robbed. They recognised us, and there was a chase. Not much communication took place. The chase resulted in me on a rooftop attacking the chasers, and again not much communication took place other than an insult or two (I don't remember any dialogue). I killed one of them, and then I was killed myself. I then saw my killer leave, and as has happened to me in the past following being stabbed (especially those incidents where little RP took place), I assumed I would be left. For further context to my reasoning, we were also opposite the Paleto PD. I assumed the killer would leave, and there would be no continued RP. As such, I made the mistake of believing I was no longer in an 'RP' situation and closed my game.

When I spoke to a staff member, he told me that you should never disconnect when downed, which I accepted. I have and would never disconnect during an RP situation as I'd rather RP and die than disconnect and potentially sour the experience (I have on multiple occasions reconnected after restarts when being held hostage to continue RP so everyone has more fun). I said thanks to the staff member who said I'd be OK to leave TS, and never had a second thought after that, under the impression all was well.

A couple of things to add to my defence:
- I really don't believe any RP was lost from this situation. My previous encounter, prior to the chase in which I died, involved very little dialogue. Although I can't remember details I do remember not enjoying the RP of the situation and remember running round in circles talking as it was attempted to ram me with a car continuously (not to say I take issue with that, just it wasn't much fun for either party).
- I would have liked to have had an opportunity to talk this through, and believe I was reasonably proactive in making that happen (hopefully it is possible to check chat and TS logs and see I did come to see if I had done anything wrong, although I cannot remember which staff member I spoke with).
- Lastly, I really do believe (although can't cite anything other than a clean track record) that I have contributed to good RP on the server, and it would be a shame if I could no longer contribute after having been banned on (what feels to me) a technically. I am very aware for the need of rules to prevent combat logging, and have had RP situations ruined before when someone disconnects in front of me, although I didn't anticipate this would be such a situation. Had I realised the RP situation would continue, I had no motive to disconnect. I had nothing of worth in my inventory, am happy to roleplay in prison, and would never want to risk breaking RP or getting banned. I simply believed the RP situation was over, and I would describe my actions as poor judgement rather than malice or self-preservation.

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 
I'd rather RP and die than disconnect
Then why wouldn't you wait and respawn? instead you just logged out. You stated that you went to get some food so you wasn't exactly in a rush to disconnect the way you did. 

You was dead for around 1 minute and you had already decided in your head that you was being left and disconnected. Your "defence" doesn't exactly make sense to why you did what you did.
 

- I really don't believe any RP was lost from this situation.
The person who stabbed you was coming to get you I would say the RP was lost when you suddenly disappeared. 

Please quote the rule and explain in your own words why we have that rule. 

 
wouldn't you wait and respawn?
As is written in the original post, I didn't think the roleplay situation would continue, so saw no reason to continue waiting. As I have also said, this was an incorrect assumption. Clearly in the future I will bear this in mind, and wait the additional few minutes to respawn via the allowed mechanic (which ultimately will cause my character to 'suddenly disappear' from where it was if someone were to return after a couple of minutes too, although in a way that is acceptable under the rules).

You was dead for around 1 minute and you had already decided in your head that you was being left and disconnected. Your "defence" doesn't exactly make sense to why you did what you did.
I don't know how to respond to this, but I acknowledge your opinion. I tried to articulate my reasoning as best as I could, although if it doesn't come across well enough on paper I'd be happy to discuss it with you on TeamSpeak or whatever platform is appropriate. I have nothing substantive to add without repeating myself. I thought I would be abandoned, as has happened to me many times in similar situations. I can't provide to you any alternative reasoning, as this is the truth and the sole motivation for my decision making.

Please quote the rule and explain in your own words why we have that rule. 
"(C2.3) Combat logging - Logging out at any point during RP is exploiting. Some examples of this include: logging out during a firefight, being chased by the police, arrested by the police, while dead awaiting a medic, logging out in order to save gear, rage-quitting, logging out whilst restrained/detained. Punishment is a permanent ban. Staff can make an informed decision depending on if you’ve made an attempt to resolve the issue. We do suggest you attempt to rejoin the server and continue the roleplay (try messaging them with the mobile system first)."

The aim (or at least for me) of this server is to roleplay for enjoyment. Part of the roleplay experience is immersion, remaining in character, and mimicking real life. In real life, my body disappearing when collapsed violates the facade of realism and could sour the roleplay experience for others.

The person who stabbed you was coming to get you I would say the RP was lost when you suddenly disappeared. 
One additional qualification - I mean this to the extent that I am reasonably confident the RP that would have taken place would extend only to me being carried into a car and taken to hospital over the road without dialogue (in other words limited to carrying out in-game mechanics). This is no justification, just a comment. I can categorically say that had other parties demonstrated an interest in high-quality RP (as we had interacted previously and this did not appear to be the case), I would have made a clear effort to continue the situation, and would be aware of their intentions to continue the RP after my death.

It is my opinion that the person who reported me did not feel upset at a 'failure in RP', but more so felt it was a free opportunity to get someone banned. This opinion is based on my interactions with them, and reading their multiple denied ban reports in the past (which are situations I have found myself in but would not raise to the forums as I do not consider them to be serious impacts on my RP experience). I don't have anything further to say about this though, as the reporting process allows this.

 
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It is my opinion that the person who reported me did not feel upset at a 'failure in RP', but more so felt it was a free opportunity to get someone banned. This opinion is based on my interactions with them, and reading their multiple denied ban reports in the past (which are situations I have found myself in but would not raise to the forums as I do not consider them to be serious impacts on my RP experience). I don't have anything further to say about this though, as the reporting process allows this.
This may or may not be true. However that being said you can't let past experiences effect you. This is a game at the end of the day and you should enter every roleplay scenario with a clear mind. 

I am going to give you another chance. I hope you have learned from this and don't make the same mistake again.

Unbanned 

 
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