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Unban Appeal - Alice - GTA RP

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Alice

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Unban Appeal for Alice 

In-game Name: Alice Banks

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561198849500574

Ban ID: !!rpuk15052!!

Reason given for your ban: C1.2

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: I was banned under the C1.2 rule, the rule states "Do not express discriminatory or otherwise offensive views. This is no place for racism, religious hatred, ageism, sexism, homophobia, gender or disability discrimination", I breached that rule by making a immature and nasty comment that mocked a religious book by likening it to that of a fairytale. I should not have done this and I of all people should have been aware that this comment was unacceptable especially given the amount of times I myself have reported others under the C1.2 rule.

Why should we unban you ?: There is quite a bit of context behind this comment being made, but before I digress into the context I wish to make it known that this IS NOT an excuse, it is merely and explanation of what lead to me making this mistake.

It began with a screenshot being sent to myself and another member of the community who is trans which showed an individual making the following comment "2 genders", this statement is often made by either two types of people. Either those who are 'edgy' and do so merely to provoke a reaction or by transphobic people who are in essence trying to say that trans people's gender identity is invalid or wrong etc.
From what I remember this comment was then posted in one of the channels on RPUK Groups and the person who made it was asked why they thought it was appropriate to say. This lead into the channel becoming flooded with different remarks parroting that of the initial screenshot, eventually this led down to the other trans member being deliberately misgendered. This is where I came in and entered the conversation, I began off by trying to educate individuals but this was met with deaf ears and all I got in return was the same inflammatory comments deliberately aimed at gender.

This is where I seen Omiz make the comment "it's adam and eve for a reason" a common argument made by religious people to try and justify homophobia and this angered me, I then made the nasty comment to him which I was later banned for and in return was subject to abuse and bullying for the days following after it, comments where made deliberately misgendering me and also targeting my body obviously aimed to push the idea that I am not a woman but in fact a man. These comments led to my mental state deteriorating and in order to distance myself from it all I left the Discords hoping I would eventually stop being a target of the barrage of abuse.


I almost didn't return, however I do not want to give these people what they want, they want rid of me and made that very clear and I very stupidly gave them something to use against me. What I should have done was stop interacting with them and left the situation to be dealt with by staff within the ticket I had already opened, my comment only came from a place of emotional rage with the only intention to inflict the same hate that I had received and seen other trans members receive and this was not ok. I know all to well how it feels to be attacked for something so personal to me and I deserved my ban and it has taught me a valuable lesson that just because people may target me and give me abuse that I have no right to give them abuse in return.

In future I will allow staff to deal with clear comments made with the intention of baiting a response from people like me instead of doing what they want and giving an emotional response. I hope that one day RPUK can be rid of all bigoted hatred and be a warm welcome place for all to have fun and be a member of. I would like to thank the staff team for reading my appeal and look forward to your response, I just hope that there is still a place for me in RPUK and that I will be welcomed back into the community.

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 
Hello Alice. 
It was quite disappointing to witness yourself, who have dealt with discriminatory comments flying your way rather often (as is unfortunately the internet), you who understand the emotional pain it causes, dish out a discriminatory comment yourself. To make a mockery of religion - Roughly 63% of the world population consider themselves religious, most of these share the same Holy book you referred to as a fairytale book, not that the size of the group that is discriminated against matters, but worthy of a mention I think.

You've put a lot of effort and detail in your appeal, we appreciate this as well as your understanding where you went wrong.

 

"it's adam and eve for a reason" a common argument made by religious people to try and justify homophobia
Playing 'Devils Advocate'
You say this is said to 'justify homophobia'. Could it not just be their beliefs? And are their beliefs invalid or wrong because they aren't the same as your own?

What I'm trying to point out is, it is easy to draw conclusions. Granted, this comment may have been used as a way to justify their arguments against the belief that there are in fact 74 genders. But what if it wasn't? Will a persons religious beliefs, beliefs that does not match the narrative of the existence of more than two genders, always anger you? 
Will it anger you to the point where you become hostile and abusive towards them, like the instance that resulted in your ban?

 
Good evening both, 

Firstly I will answer your question Danoo

Danoo said:
Just because other players were breaking rules, why did you stoop to their level and begin breaking them yourself?
 At the time I felt very emotional and angry as I was being ganged up on by multiple members, this led to me getting overwhelmed and I wanted to hurt them the way they had hurt me, at the time the way I seen to do this was to attack something personal to them like they had to me and this led to my comment. I made a horrible lapse in judgement and should have known better and for that I do apologise. 

Now to answer your question's Drex

You say this is said to 'justify homophobia'. Could it not just be their beliefs? And are their beliefs invalid or wrong because they aren't the same as your own?
The context of the conversation led me to the conclusion of their intent with this comment given, everyone is entitled to their beliefs however hateful views should not be tolerated and should always be challenged.

But what if it wasn't? Will a persons religious beliefs, beliefs that does not match the narrative of the existence of more than two genders, always anger you? 
Will it anger you to the point where you become hostile and abusive towards them, like the instance that resulted in your ban?
Personal beliefs that deliberately demonize or call my existence as transgender as immoral will always hurt and make me uncomfortable however general belief in religion does not bother me, in fact I am fairly educated on religion and find it's impact on society and culture interesting. Religious' texts have been debated over for centuries and from what I know most religions preach acceptance of others. Many of my family are religious as was I many moons ago, even though they are religious and choose to live their lives by the book and I love and respect them still, as they do me despite me being trans. Religion is not inherently bad or hateful either.

For example within the New Testament 'Matthew 19:12' speaks of Eunucks which are essentially people who live as a gender other than the one assigned to them at birth and within 'Matthew 19:12' essentially states that these people have a right to live their lives as themselves and that they will be accepted into heaven. The point here I'm trying to make is these religious texts are huge and carry many different translations and interpretations, it is not my business whether or not people live their lives by them as is their right and choice to do so. 

What is not acceptable is to use these religious scriptures as an excuse to demonize and show vile hatred of others who are different and live with causing no others harm, lets say that someone where to bring up adam and eve randomly with no prior context just merely stating their belief, I may simply ask that they expand on or explain to me what their interpretation and belief of this story is, if they then stated that the existence of this story is proof why being gay was wrong then I would in future no longer interact with the conversation and instead pass it onto staff to deal with, it is not the story of adam and eve I dislike but instead the use of it to say gay relationships are wrong or invalid.

If people do not want to believe that humans are gender diverse then so be it, as long as these people remain respectful it would not bother me, deliberately misgendering and denying someone's existence is not remaining respectful.

Thank you again for taking the time to review my appeal and respond,

I hope you both have wonderful evenings,

Alice.

 
Good evening @Alice, thanks for the response!

Myself and Drex had commented on this at the same time, I did remove mine but it appears you managed to quote my comment before I had the chance haha.
Although I was obviously not involved, I would like to apologies for the comments which were thrown in your direction as I appreciate they were not at all nice to hear or needed. As you may imagine, those players have received their punishment too.

Back to focusing on your appeal though, I very much hope not but for arguments sake let's say you're placed into exactly the same situation again.
Learning from this ban, what will you be doing differently next time? How can we ensure that you will not retaliate again with a comment going against rule C1.2?

 
Learning from this ban, what will you be doing differently next time? How can we ensure that you will not retaliate again with a comment going against rule C1.2?
if this scenario where to appear again I would follow similar steps to before I.E. opening up a discord ticket giving a TLDR to staff along with screenshots, what I would do differently to last time is I would simply stop engaging in the conversation and leave for staff to deal with it themselves, especially if it was at the point where personal attacks where being made. 

I have learned that there is nothing to gain by biting back and attacking them in return, only they win in that situation as I make myself look a full, stoop to their level and leave myself liable to punishment. 

 
Alice,

I am happy you have understood what you have done wrong and the steps you should take should this happen again instead of lashing out.

All of your answers have been detailed and I believe that should a similar situation occur again, you are able to deal with this in a better way than you did previously.

This is your only offence in a year and was only done out of frustration. We know from your responses you won't allow this to happen again and will attempt to deal with it before it escalates.

You are generally known for the good RP you provide, having previously received positive comments from players.

Welcome back.

Approved.

 
Welcome Back!

Now that you’ve been unbanned don’t forget to give our rules a thorough read over again here.

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