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_ollie_

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Unban Appeal for _ollie_ 

In-game Name: Sam Spice

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561198800026670

Ban ID: !!rpuk13773!!

Reason given for your ban: C1.7 & G3.1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: I believe I was banned by staff due to the potential reason of foul play whilst Marabunta and Grove street were actively involved in Gunfights. The ban reason being Metagaming due to me actively streaming in Mara's private discord and Common sense for not looking at the bigger picture of what my actions could affect. Metagaming involves the use of OOC information, all of which shouldn't be included or known about in RP. G3.1 being one of the most serious rule breaks you can find yourself involved with ruins not only the RP of the people it is being used against but the RP of people using it. This damages both your characters storyline as well as others, and can be used in an unfair way in an attempt to gain an unfair advantage.

I had streamed numerous Gunfights whilst in the Marabunta discord, one of which BMAV pulled me to Discord about due to it being a situation I had actively been apart of as well as streaming it. I should have learnt from this and stopped streaming these types of situations indefinitely. Although I had been streaming numerous other generic Police situations, streaming to Marabunta whilst they're involved in the RP is a serious problem. Unfortunately as Liam pointed out 'Humans are humans and will make mistakes' sometimes although it isn't intentional people will use that information discovered through the stream to benefit themselves and also other involved. I gave people in the call with me the possibility to do that and that is where I should have stopped. It isn't fair on other parties involved, in this case being Grove to have an essentially unmovable Birdseye view of the situation streaming in the Mara discord.

Staff were correct to take the precaution and to ensure it is a fair playing field for everyone in the game, as it makes sure that no group has such a huge advantage over another in terms of what they should know within RP. These types of advantages from my situation would have been myself potentially providing individuals with lines of positioning - where they are located and where they are pushing from essentially acting as a UAV. In addition to this how many are still standing and actively engaged in the gunfight as well as other potential advantages. All of these factors could have drastically changed the gunfight in Mara favour giving them a boost to try and win the gunfight.

It is totally understandable if it looks as if I'm trying to aid 1 side of the Gang war through myself streaming my cop characters POV and for some an unmovable bullet proof camera. As Grove will not want to shoot at cops nor will they know I'm potentially providing Mara with their locations. It wasn't my intention for my stream to be perceived this way of myself trying to help win the fight. Whether I was streaming on my cop character in the early hours of the morning when I am either chasing the usual Mt Haan sellers or even myself simply taxiing. What I am trying to get at is that it isn't acceptable on my behalf to be streaming them sort of situations. Especially when it is actively happening. Although my intentions were pure and not to try and harm other people's RP I should have taken it upon myself not to put myself and Mara in that situation of suspected metagaming. I do apologize to all people involved in the situation it was nothing out of spite for people in the gunfight. However if given the chance this is definitely not something I am planning on ever doing again.

In terms of being banned for Common sense that is pretty self explanatory, I should have known what I was doing would look to be myself trying to break the rules and influence others RP. After the chat with BMAV I should have taken it as a wake up call and stopped streaming them sensitive type of situations. I apologize to any Grove that felt I was trying to target them and give Marabunta an advantage. BMAV as the leader of Grove shouldn’t of had to call me to discord due to either himself or members of Grove at the time feeling I was trying to cheat them out of a fair fight. No one should have to take time out of their day or time on the server to pick me up on a rule I was breaking. I should have taken it as a hint to stop streaming my cop pov during these sensitive situations. Unfortunately I didn’t, the simple fact that I could have prevented it by listening to others and taking their advice on board. The same goes for my last appeal getting denied. ISAK had warned me that streaming my appeal in the Mara discord wouldn’t help my case. Once again I should have listened as it would have prevented the whole misunderstanding of who was really writing my appeals.

Why should we unban you ?: To start off with, I would like to apologize to staff for my own stupid actions that have led me to being in this position. I have been given numerous chances over my time on RPUK all of which I took for granted. I believed just continuously writing decent enough unban appeals would allow me to have another chance on the server. I should have known eventually my past actions would come back and lead to the position I am in now. To say the least I was lucky not to have been given a 6 month cooldown. Especially after all the time I have taken out of staff's days. No one wants to continuously deal with unbans from a repeat offender who will promise not to go back down that path of getting banned but again lands themself in the unban section on the forums. In my last successful unban on the 19th of January I promised I would not break any rules and I assured staff I would not be back on the forums for a similar reason of a ban. I apologize to Sammy who put that trust into me, for me to chuck it down the drain by not taking the advice of others. To say the least it was a promise I found myself stupidly breaking, I had that opportunity to prevent myself from breaking the metagaming rule after speaking to BMAV in the discord call I had with him. Once again I took my ability to log on to the server everyday for granted. Whether I am unbanned or kept ban I would like to apologize for continuously letting staff down. My reputation for breaking rules doesn't show me in a good light, I wish I could say for the first time that I will change staff's views on myself and stick to the rules at all times.

At first I was a bit bummed about receiving the 3 month cooldown, with all the new changelogs coming out which have looked to be extremely enjoyable. However after looking back at my record, I would like to thank Liam for giving me that opportunity too look at my past. I went over my past bans to reflect on what I did and what I should have done to prevent my mistakes. A large amount of my bans have been to benefit myself and to help myself win. However that’s not what rp is about, you are going to both loose and win situations. With that some of my best RP interactions have been when I’m loosing a situation. I really considered whether I should appeal now or further down the line. Too put it simply I miss having that fun that RPUK has to offer. However I have looked at my past actions and genuinely hope too never have a repeat as I am fully aware I'm on my last chances anyway as well as the fact it ruins rp for other people.

I had a talk with Stuart and Liam around early April time about the RP and group of people I had been involving myself with whilst typically logging on as my cop character. Unfortunately some of which were banned for their own numerous reasons. Stuart had pointed out that the RP we were participating in and giving to other players was extremely poor. Since then I genuinely tried to keep on the right side of staff by ensuring all RP I was involved with was up to the standards that RPUK is renowned for. To be completely honest I'm not entirely sure how I could have been so Imprudent towards the rules for my latest ban after the amount of chances I have been fortunately given. Liam was correct and I needed to consider what was more important, continuously getting away with the same old shit or too realize that in the long run I’m simply shutting the door to the community, something that I would be gutted if I did do.

I have enjoyed every moment that RPUK has thrown my way and would be grateful to have that option of logging on once again to continue having that ability to RP. Without a doubt the quality of RP you find on this server is the far better than all other servers out there. I would like to further improve my roleplay and RPUK is the best place for that. It isn’t like every other 100k or die server out there, people in the community strive to give their best efforts too make it enjoyable for themselves as well as other individuals involved. The staff team take time out of there day to help to provide us with the best experience there is to offer. They place trust in the community to follow the rules at all times to ensure it is as fun as it should be for all parties involved. I have broken that trust more than once. For me to ever rebuild that would be extremely hard however I would like an attempt to make it right by providing the high quality rp that is expected of everyone whilst they are on the server. That is the bare minimum that I would like to give if having the chance of an unban. I want to prioritize the roleplay that is offered on the server along with all the different possibilities to help develop your characters storyline. Although I haven't been in the community for too long I have experienced and learnt so much, It is my own fault that I have slipped up on too many occasions. There are so many different RP possibilities on the server and not all of these have to end in the same old shooting, it's not only boring for others after being subjected to low quality roleplay but it doesn't challenge yourself in terms of new RP. In no way am I saying that shooting is low quality Roleplay, however I have found myself not providing the roleplay that I know I am capable of giving sometimes after these situations have occurred.

Staff have been nothing but lenient with me and given myself more opportunities to correct my wrongs than a lot of others have had and I continued to act in the same way. To be completely honest, I am happy that Liam gave me the 3 month cooldown, it gave myself time to reflect and consider what's important and that's my time on RPUK. My complete disregard for the rules is nothing to be proud of and personally If I was in position of staff I too would be questioning whether to even consider unbanning someone with a track record like mine.

I know everyone will feed you the same line that they think you want to hear. However I don’t want to say it to please staff so I can be unbanned. I want to hold myself to the statement I make about not being stupid enough to risk another ban whilst on RPUK. As Stavik questioned me before about what my intentions really are on the server and that I seem to just not care about the rules that are outlined for the community to follow to ensure RP is fair for everyone in the server. I do care about the server, I have spent the majority of my time on FIVEM playing RPUK, I know my rap sheet of bans and warnings paint me as someone who doesn't give a flying f*ck. That is far from the truth, I do enjoy playing on RPUK on a day to day basis, I should have taken the RP more seriously to begin with rather than being a troll. I know I have said this before and by me saying it again it holds no weight and probably gives staff very little faith, however I want to assure staff I have changed and won't be idiotic enough to mess up another chance.

Unfortunately I think everyone will agree I have not been a perfect member of the community to say the least and have been a repeat offender of someone who appears to not give a heck about the rules. That was never my intention. Since my unban in January given I took a short break after getting unbanned I kept my RP to a high standard. Yes I got kicked for G2.6 a few days before my latest permanent ban. It was over a stupid comment at the time when I made a joke about 229 and the new playground at Vespucci. It shouldn’t have been posted in ooc as it wasn’t put in there as a way of asking for help or helping someone else. It had no place to be in that chat and should have been kept either to myself or for a discord chat. I took for granted every part of my time since January by making a silly mistake that had much larger consequences. Up until that point I enjoyed every situation by ensuring I’m following rules at all times and not doing silly things whilst on the server. However stupidly I let it slip, something that I could and should have avoided, leading to me being once again permanently banned for the 3rd time for metagaming. A ban that I could have easily avoided. A ban that given I had taken the time to step back and look at the situation would not have been placed. In hind sight it was common sense just to not stream. Especially in a discord server of the people who are in an active gunfight. I didn’t intend to abuse my cop privileges as a way of being an unmovable camera against Grove and am disappointed in myself for it appearing this way.

I thought about how It could have an impact on people in game, I placed myself in Grove's position and I will admit having someone streaming your gunfight is disheartening. Knowing there is someone up on the hill with a pair on binoculars watching your every move. You would be continuously contemplating where too go to next, whether the stream is being directly panned on you showing your exact location, whether you're healing etc. You would be second guessing every action you make, no one wants to have deal with that. I have luckily enough been on both sides during gunfights whether that be gathering footage on my cop character or in a shootout on my criminal character. I too would be concerned if there was an individual streaming the gunfight for the other gang who you are currently at war with. You would be continuously considering whether or not everything is being metagamed, I can tell from experience if it happened too me it would ruin the fun of a gang war.

Nether the less, I still believe I can provide the high quality RP that is expected of each individual in the community. I have been given so many chances to correct myself yet I still land back in the same position. Despite this I do want to ask for another opportunity to prove you guys wrong and that I can follow the rules. I know me saying I will follow the rules going forward will give you guys little faith and I can’t blame you, however I genuinely don’t want to end back up in this section of the forums. As previously said I was lucky to have been given a 3 month cooldown and not a 6. With that 3 month cooldown I contemplated what I wanted to do next. Fivem simply isn’t the same without being able to log onto RPUK. With this time off from the server, I realized how badly I messed up over my time of being around RPUK. I know that I’m not a model community member, I doubt I ever will be with the amount of chances I have been given. But I hope to have that chance to set things straight and show that I am capable of being someone who deserves to be apart of the community.

My actions weren’t acceptable and of someone who deserves to be able to log on everyday, I tried to play the innocent card when in reality I should have taken responsibility for my actions, I gave people that option to use it maliciously, my course of actions could have ruined a great rp story for both gangs. There was no need for me to be actively streaming, I could and should have been recording and shown other people the footage once the fight was over. No one should have to go out of their day to pick up on the fact I was not playing by the rules. I don’t think I will be able to put into words how many times I’ve messed up and how sorry I am but hopefully this should show my willingness to have another shot.

This ban was a major wake up call to myself about how close to the edge I am of not being able to carry on appealing and being able to return to the server. It should have hit me sooner that my course of actions are only limiting myself from having them choices to explore different avenues of RP. I have blamed others before for my rule breaks however this one was purely on me. I was quick to say that staff could have popped into the VC and seen what I was doing, this shouldn't have to be the case. I shouldn't have been streaming to begin with especially when it comes to these more important situations where metagaming can affect so many people. I have let down many staff who have previously given me that chance to return too the server. If I am fortunate enough to have that ability to play again I don't want to end up back here as I know my chances will be a lot lower than what they already currently are.

Thank you for taking the time to read the appeal

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 
Good morning @_ollie_, I hope all is well! 🙂

Before I begin looking into this appeal, can I ask what happened on one of your prior appeals?

Have a gd one, you can deny this appeal
You had gone from attempting to defend yourself, to this?
Why did you suddenly give a minimal response and tell us to deny the appeal?

 
Good Morning and thank you for the response, 

 I had been streaming my appeal as I was writing it up in the Mara discord. Therefore Staff had a suspicion that I wasn’t using my own words. Leading to Liam denying it on the spot. 
 

Stupidly in an outburst and temper tantrum I came back with a new appeal. The appeal wasn’t put it in as a way of trying to get unbanned, more me just venting. Was it wrong ? YES, I should have simply explained that it was me writing the appeal. 
 

Instead of continuously going off at a tangent to my appeal I simply thought it would be best to shut it down and make a new appeal. 

 
Good morning, @_ollie_!

I appreciate that you've done the correct thing and closed it off before making it worse. Thank you for clarifying that.

May I ask why you had decided to stream your appeal in the Mara Discord at the time?
We can only assume from it that perhaps there may have been input / help from other members that were watching the stream as there naturally would be, no one is going to sit in silence disregarding the stream. 

 
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Good Morning and thank you once again for the replies,

I honestly wish I could tell you what was running through my mind when I was streaming my appeal. Unfortunately I don’t however, I assure you it wasn’t to have any input into my appeal. I am fully aware that staff want to see your understanding of your own mistakes and not the story of someone else’s.

The only thing I could think of is that I was just streaming to show them me writing it up. I wouldn’t have asked for any help or had their input in the appeal other than to just proof read to make sure it flows properly. From a staffs perspective it would probably look as if I was getting them to write up the appeal for me. That is definitely not the case here. I simply wouldn’t want to appeal having someone else/ any form of AI writing my appeal as it wouldn’t help my case in the slightest. 
 

Like I said previously I was warned not to stream my appeal whilst in the discord. Advice I should have taken looking back at it. 
 

Thank you for reading

 
Hello again, @_ollie_!

Has this appeal been written entirely by yourself, or was there a similar scenario whilst you were creating this one?

I would also like to understand the mentality behind the reason for your ban too. 
Why were you sitting in the Marabunta Discord streaming an arrest inside their safehouse to them? 

 
Hello again and Thank you for the swift response Danoo, 

I already am aware I’m on extremely thin ice, for me to have someone else write my appeal and me not be aware of my own silly mistakes would be simply wrong. To answer you question NO,  this appeal was written entirely by myself. No input from anyone else nor any form of AI. I hadn’t streamed my appeal but had sent it to people to proof read. It was written up in a separate discord server. It’s just myself in the server, it simply allowed me to write it up over a few days instead of all jamming it in at once. I hadn’t  edited it from anyone else input. 
 

My mentality behind my ban wasn’t that of myself trying to break any rules. Like I previously said I wasn’t ever planning on returning to this section of the forums and kick myself for letting it happen. Honestly speaking, I don’t remember arresting anyone inside of the safe house whilst streaming. However I’m not denying it could have happened. Was it to metagame information, absolutely not. I was just streaming the situation in general for people who weren’t involved in the gunfight. Looking back at it I agree it was wrong. I essentially provided individuals everything they needed to metagame. It isn’t fair on the individuals who were involved in the situation. In no way shape or form was I influenced or let my rp be influenced by people in my call. 
 

I reached out to BMAV after my ban and apologized for the situation acknowledging it was unfair of myself to be streaming situations involving them. 

Thank you for taking the time to read

 
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Hello there @_ollie_

I have one simple question for you - Why did you blatantly lie to staff when you were called out for streaming in Marabunta discord? You said nobody was in the channel at the time, you were absolutely certain. Yet... we know that there was at least 12 others in the room, most of them unmuted. Why? 

 
Hi @Sammyand thank you for the reply,

I hadn't spoken to staff in or out of game about the streaming in the mara discord and whether or not people were in the call unmuted. If you are talking about the unban appeal when Liam questioned my talk with BMAV, I didn't deny that there would have been other people in the VC. Whether through Aiden, Nikolai or anyone with BD/ Vencord they would easily be able to see that I'm in a call with people whilst streaming, so I genuinely had no reason to lie. If you are talking about the Discord call with BMAV that was well at the end of the situation as I was writing up a Police report for Ghost so yes people would have been unmuted and probably venting about the fight if I can remember back to then. However if this is the situation you are talking about with me arresting Ghost after the Police chase then as it was occurring everyone but 2 were unmuted. Rob and one other, as I said I have part of that situation clipped where it is only them speaking till someone else undeafens complaining about a bug that occurred. I was doing 2 separate things so may have misspoken but if I was meant to say anything it was that the individuals in the call who were undeafened whilst the situation was occurring weren't involved in the RP. 

If it's another situation that had occurred I would be more than happy to elaborate on it. 

Like I said previously I was very lucky that yourself unbanned me early Jan. I never intended to end up back in this section of the forums. Looking back at it yes It's one of the silliest mistakes I have made and that It was so avoidable given I had taken the advice of others. 

Thanks for reading

 
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Good morning, @_ollie_!

Like I said previously I was very lucky that yourself unbanned me early Jan. I never intended to end up back in this section of the forums. Looking back at it yes It's one of the silliest mistakes I have made and that It was so avoidable given I had taken the advice of others. 
You are correct in what you've said here, and your appeals so far haven't exactly gone smooth up until now.
Looking at your record which was pointed out by Liam in one of your prior appeals; 

  • Warning for G6 | 15/04/2022
  • Warning for C2.2 | 16/04/2022
  • Warning for C2.2 & G5.7 | 16/06/2022
  • Warning for G3.5 | 20/06/2022
  • Warning for G1.3 | 22/06/2022
  • Permanent Ban for G2.9 | 24/06/2022
  • Warning for C1.14 & G2.3 | 10/08/2022
  • Warning for G2.6 | 07/12/2022
  • Permanent Ban for G1.2 | 01/01/2023
  • Warning for G2.6 | 10/08/2023
  • Permanent Ban for C1.7 & G3.1 | 13/08/2023

I'm absolutely shocked you've managed to get away with so many warnings throughout your time, especially since some of these are repeat warnings for the same rules. 
You should recognise how lucky you are, but the record does leave me with concerns...

If I were to give you another chance in the community, what's to happen with your punishment record, as of right now it's absolutely dreadful and I don't think we should keep wasting time on a player repeatedly breaking rules and not learning a lesson. 
What's changed? 
Will you continue breaking rule after rule? 

 
Hello @Danoothank you for the reply
 

I couldn’t agree more about my record. It is dreadful and I have been fortunate enough to be given the sheer amount of chances to correct my wrong doings.  Something that I have yet still not done. As much as I can promise and guarantee that I won’t fall down the same rabbit hole, I know it will give you little to no faith. However I assure you it will not happen again. I hope to never have a repeat performance of my past as I’m conscious I’m on my last chance as it is. I too would be concerned if I was in your position about considering to give myself another chance in community. I haven't been a model member of this community and have broken the trust of staff on more than one occasion. Yes without a doubt I recognise how lucky I have been, no one should get away with that many warnings and not face repercussions. 

Given you were to hand me that golden chance after all my mistakes I would run with it and wouldn’t take that chance for granted. My record for braking rules is disheartening however that is something I want to leave behind. I would rather demonstrate the RP I’m capable of providing and be know for that factor rather than my excessive ban record. I would like to think that you don't have to waste any more time on myself given the chance I am unbanned. I should have learnt my lesson sooner about continuously doing the same old shit. The 3 month cooldown was needed to give me time to look over my past actions.

Over the 3 months I have missed having that ability to log in to RPUK and interact on the server. Since my ban I haven’t really played any games other than the COD drop which was an absolute let down. It gave me time to recognize that RPUK is like no other server out there and the opportunities you are provided within the server is astonishing. For me what’s changed is my perception of the server. It’s not about being the best and winning situations it’s about emerging yourself into roleplay and enjoying every interaction. You can get your fix of ego of who is a better shooter on any random fivem server. Yet RPUK has so much more to offer to it's community. The in depth roleplay that leave people wanting to log on and participate in on a daily basis.

I can guarantee staff that I will not be a continuous problem going forward. I would be extremely fortunate to be given another chance on the server and it’s not one I plan on ruining for myself. I would hate to shut the door to the community on myself due to stupid mistakes that have much larger consequences.
 

Thank you for reading 

 
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Good evening @_ollie_, thanks for your response! 🙂

Let's say I were to give you another chance on the server to prove yourself, baring in mind we've already given you so many.
Conditions will be that any ban you receive within the next 6 months will be a permanent, this will also come with an automatic 6 months cooldown before you're able to appeal said ban.

Does this sound fair to you?

 
Thank you once again for the reply @Danoo

Too put it simply with the amount of chances I have been given here and I have stupidly taken for granted, another chance was a long shot for myself. Any conditions that were thrown my way I would have accepted. So yes that sounds more than fair from yourself.

Many thanks Ollie 

 
Good evening, @_ollie_!

Very well, I am going to give you another shot here on the server. Please do not think this decision was made lightly and do not waste the chance being given to you.
Any ban you receive within the next 6 months will be a permanent, this comes with an automatic 6 month cooldown. No matter how much of a fuss is kicked up this is non negotiable and will not be shifted.

Please read over the server rules before reconnecting, and ensure you're not going to be breaching any more of them moving forward because the likelihood of us even wanting to entertain another appeal from you will be minimal given the current record you hold.

UNBANNED

 
Welcome Back!

Now that you’ve been unbanned don’t forget to give our rules a thorough read over again here.

Please note unbans on the server are instant and you will be able to connect straight away.

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