Un-roleplay like behavior from cops and RDM

[Lou]

So, today when playing on the server I've been RDM'ed five times, not a single one of them had anything to do with roleplay, admitedly one of them said "We robbed this chopper" and then shot me on sight, though I don't see how that is roleplay to a single degree. I've been shot at cops when trying to land my chopper in legal areas, at the diamond processing for example. Cops ignoring me text messages, ignoring my explaination on why I killed someone (Self defense.) and said that their evidence was that they found my semen on the body which is incredibly fucking immature and embarassing, obviously a joke towards my sexual orientation(More on this subject is found just below.).

Forgetting that, getting kicked several times due to my player name which is "FluffyFurFaggot" for being "offensive". (Once more, a joke about my self awareness and an attempt of inclusion for other people like me. Just like how some black people use "nigger" as a way to bring others into their groups, it's a way of inclusion.) It's like saying that a black man calling himself a nigger is offensive. Just because you find it offensive, it doesn't matter. I've never met a single gay person, or a furry person, who have been insulted about being called a furry or a faggot from another furry or faggot. I've made several messages to the admins about the problem, I've found about 3 game breaking bugs/glitches that I've tried to alert the admins about and I've been completely ignored. I've been harassed by the cops for having my guns out when there is gun fire around. (Once more, fucking self defense due to the fuckfest that is Athira.) Getting constantly frisked and searched everytime I try to land near athira even though I've not done anything wrong.

I've seen freshspawns just walking from their spawns to the ATM and suddenly getting handcuffed for no apparent reason... Cops have stacked out the various processors, shooting on sight without roleplay. Cops in general on this server act like shits, I've tried to be fucking reasonable, I've tried to be friendly but as soon as I ask a single question I'm getting fucking restrained! The problem is that the server rules are not being enforced. I joined because I wanted to roleplay, but all I end up is getting RDM'ed, restrained for doing nothing wrong, getting kicked for bullshit reasons. The only way for me to get an RDM'er banned is to film them in action, but I cannot keep fraps running for the many hours of the day that I play, it's completely unreasonable!

Police officers ignore my calls for help and then arrest me for walking around with a gun out which is complete crap. (Once more, self defense.) Cops abuse their power and don't even try to admit that they are wrong.

I've met tons of people who do not roleplay, they go around shouting and walking in front of cars, break the rules by sneaking into backpacks and etc. I cannot provide video evidence of every single fucking offense that has been gone through, the police officers need to show some damned restraint. I see them walking around with their assault rifles in town aiming at people who have done nothing wrong... I get stalked by the police when entering Athira, that is NOT how real cops behave, especially not in white and neon yellow cars. I've taken back stuff which was stolen from me, then people shoot me in the back because 'I threatened their friend'. It's like the streets of fucking Bagdhad, if you don't bow your head to the police officers, let people abuse you and steal your shit, then you're shot on sight. There is no single way for you to defend your case against a cop, you're always automatically guilty, even for just flying past Athira! Even if the rules state that the cops have to warn you before firing, they never do!

 

[wes]

First off its unfortunate that you were a victim of rdm, and this should absolutely be reported if you want, also the police response sounds less than great, although I can only imagine how many messages and situations they are dealing with constantly so a little leeway is necessary.

You'r point on the police arresting you for openly carrying a gun holds no weight if you were in a town as it is a known law: conceal weapons if in towns. I think this applies to a lot of the problems you have encountered in towns, e.g. 'go around shouting and walking in front of cars' isn't really breaking any server rules. A lot of your frustration might be eased by reading some of the server rule and law threads here in the forums.

Lastly you can be called whatever you want, say whatever you want and its totally natural to want to be treated fairly if, in your case, you have a different sexual orientation. But the offensive name kick is to actually stop abuse, as much as your name makes sense to you, there is no way to know if its meant to be inflammatory or not without speaking to you first and getting the right context. To stop people being purposely offensive there is a blanket kick on selected 'flame bait' words and this makes sense when your talking about a server that potentially a lot of people are going to join, nobody has the time to contextualise 100's of names with every single player, nor should they have to spend time on it. As much as its not really ideal, there just are words that have bad connotations and you'll have to deal with that if you choose to put those words into your user name, your perfectly free to choose a different user name and not have this issue.

Just my thoughts! Hope your experience gets better soon! I'd advise staying out of towns as much as possible.
 

 

[Lou]

"But the offensive name kick is to actually stop abuse, as much as your name makes sense to you, there is no way to know if its meant to be inflammatory or not without speaking to you first and getting the right context." - Then fucking ask me, don't assume. That simple. The admin that kicked me even DID fucking talk to me beforehand, I explained it to him and yet I received a kick anyways. That is completely unreasonable. Plus, there is no way to know, since the rules don't say, which words are considered offensive or not. Are there only PC correct terms to be allowed or does anything that offend anyone is not allowed to be in the server?

"You'r point on the police arresting you for openly carrying a gun holds no weight if you were in a town as it is a known law: conceal weapons if in towns." - You completely ignored what I wrote down. So, if there is shooting in a town, I'm supposed to just lay down and fucking die? No, that is completely unreasonable. EDIT: Cops need to understand the circumstances and judge the situation accordingly. They can't assume you're always guilty, it's tiresome always having to act like a fucking lamb in front of cops, otherwise you get tazed and arrested for no reason.

"also the police response sounds less than great, although I can only imagine how many messages and situations they are dealing with constantly so a little leeway is necessary." - I think that messaging three cops on several different occasions and not getting a single answer is enough leeway. These were hours between, days even. Not a single response except from a friend of mine.

"As much as its not really ideal, there just are words that have bad connotations" - That you apply to the word. There is context and definition, you cannot assume that your view is always the right one, that is ignorant and false.

"'go around shouting and walking in front of cars' isn't really breaking any server rules. A lot of your frustration might be eased by reading some of the server rule and law threads here in the forums." - I suggest YOU read the fucking rules. It's the first rule of the general behavior section. "a) Do not troll! Running around people in circles (especially cops!), voice spamming, running in front of cars and similar is considered trolling and will be banned on sight and without prior notice."

So, with all this said, all your points have been completely nullified and you've proven yourself to be completely wrong on the subject, you've not even read the rules yourself after you claim I should. So please, be reasonable. You've neither adressed the issue of police officers abusing their power and not roleplaying (As they should.) and once more I'm getting the feeling that the rules won't be enforced. Why is it that I am being kicked for an 'offensive' name when the police that attacked my sexual orientation has received no such thing? How is that fair and right?
 

 

[wes]

slow down man! I'm not an admin or anything of the like so questioning me about it isn't gonna get you anywhere. I think I was being totally reasonable tbh and giving an opinion.
 

"But the offensive name kick is to actually stop abuse, as much as your name makes sense to you, there is no way to know if its meant to be inflammatory or not without speaking to you first and getting the right context." - Then fucking ask me, don't assume. That simple. The admin that kicked me even DID fucking talk to me beforehand, I explained it to him and yet I received a kick anyways. That is completely unreasonable. Plus, there is no way to know, since the rules don't say, which words are considered offensive or not. Are there only PC correct terms to be allowed or does anything that offend anyone is not allowed to be in the server?

Like I said no one is obliged to ask you. your right there isn't any way to know, but your honestly telling me that you didn't think the word 'faggot' was going to potentially be a problem considering its generally negative stigma? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you using it, you can say what you like! but it is a word that can be used negatively and is treated like one.

 

"You'r point on the police arresting you for openly carrying a gun holds no weight if you were in a town as it is a known law: conceal weapons if in towns." - You completely ignored what I wrote down. So, if there is shooting in a town, I'm supposed to just lay down and fucking die? No, that is completely unreasonable.

- If there is an unexpected shoot out in the town the law isn't going to change, you either get out of there with your gun concealed or stay to fight with your gun out and face the music however it goes down. Totally reasonable.

 

"As much as its not really ideal, there just are words that have bad connotations" - That you apply to the word. There is context and definition, you cannot assume that your view is always the right one, that is ignorant and false.

- That western culture has applied to the word. The world is bigger than me and you and it assumes things about the words we use, I'm sorry to have to say. 

 

"'go around shouting and walking in front of cars' isn't really breaking any server rules. A lot of your frustration might be eased by reading some of the server rule and law threads here in the forums." - I suggest YOU read the fucking rules. It's the first rule of the general behavior section. "a) Do not troll! Running around people in circles (especially cops!), voice spamming, running in front of cars and similar is considered trolling and will be banned on sight and without prior notice."

- I said isn't really breaking any rules. Shouting and walking in front of cars can be misconstrued for 'talking' and 'walking in the street'. I wasn't there, I don't know how it went down, I'm just saying there may be reasons behind your problems.

 

So, with all this said, all your points have been completely nullified and you've proven yourself to be completely wrong on the subject, you've not even read the rules yourself after you claim I should. So please, be reasonable. You've neither adressed the issue of police officers abusing their power and not roleplaying (As they should.) and once more I'm getting the feeling that the rules won't be enforced. Why is it that I am being kicked for an 'offensive' name when the police that attacked my sexual orientation has received no such thing? How is that fair and right?

- I think your 'assuming your view is the right one' there. I was giving my thoughts not a soloution to all your problems. I think the police attack on your sexual orientation was probably just a joke too, in all seriousness 'fluffyfurfaggot' sounds like a jokey kind of name man surely you can see it from that perspective?

 

[Lou]

"Like I said no one is obliged to ask you. your right there isn't any way to know, but your honestly telling me that you didn't think the word 'faggot' was going to potentially be a problem considering its generally negative stigma? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you using it, you can say what you like! but it is a word that can be used negatively and is treated like one." - And faggot can be a cigarette (Which it is in a lot of parts of britain, which this server is situated in.) Why do you not bat an eyelash at a black man calling another black man a nigger, yet you say that I need to be politically correct about my OWN fucking orientation? No, I don't. The focus is not on you or your thoughts about the word, the word is not offensive towards you, whom I assume is straight. It is, in only one place, offensive, and that is when another gay person sees it without knowing that I'm part of the same orientation and that confusion can be solved in literally 2 seconds. EDIT: You assume that there is stigma attatched to it... Yes, there is, when straight people use it. Have you ever met a gay person and have you asked them about what you think about them being called a faggot by another gay person? I can tell you this, gay people don't care if you call them a faggot if you yourself is one, it's a way of including them into a group which is oppressed in many parts of the world. You using it is not allowed, me using it is. Just like how a black man is allowed to say nigger to another nigger.

"- If there is an unexpected shoot out in the town the law isn't going to change, you either get out of there with your gun concealed or stay to fight with your gun out and face the music however it goes down. Totally reasonable." - No it is not... It's not reasonable for you to just run away and get shot in the back. It's not reasonable for you to just hide and hope to not get shot... It's unreasonable that if someone is stealing your car that you should just stand there and watch while it goes and having the cops ignore your calls.

"- That western culture has applied to the word. The world is bigger than me and you and it assumes things about the words we use, I'm sorry to have to say." - You misunderstand the situation I use the word in isn't my fault, that is your fault. If I say bitch, I can mean two things. You not understand which one I specifically means doesn't make a fault on me, that makes a fault on you and therefore you are actually obliged to ask me which I'm talking about. If I say sausage, I can mean two things and yes, if you assume I'm talking about a dick, then that is YOUR fault and not mine. If I say something in a inclusionary manner, then that is what it means... If you believe, without asking, that it is inflammatory, then that is your fault for assuming such things. The fault does not lie with me.

"- I said isn't really breaking any rules. Shouting and walking in front of cars can be misconstrued for 'talking' and 'walking in the street'. I wasn't there, I don't know how it went down, I'm just saying there may be reasons behind your problems." - As you just said, you don't know what went down so why are you trying to argue about this point? I think that activly running into the street and trying to get run over while shouting "You mad bro yolo?" is indeed trolling. As well as playing chicken on the road with your Firit which is extremely common.


"- I think your 'assuming your view is the right one' there. I was giving my thoughts not a soloution to all your problems. I think the police attack on your sexual orientation was probably just a joke too, in all seriousness 'fluffyfurfaggot' sounds like a jokey kind of name man surely you can see it from that perspective?" - On the last point, I wasn't assuming you're an admin, it's just that the first response I get is that I'm being treated like a child and shown a rules list which I have read and you seemingly haven't, if your opinion shows any generality amongst the community's opinion on the subject of police officers behavior and my other complaints, then it is surely not going to be taken seriously. Now, about the sexual joke... You're telling me that I'm not allowed to have a jokeful name, which is indeed as you suggest, a joke to a degree, and yet the cops are allowed to joke about necrophilia on my expense? Now, that is fucking hypocrisy.




 

 

[wes]

- And faggot can be a cigarette (Which it is in a lot of parts of britain, which this server is situated in.) Why do you not bat an eyelash at a black man calling another black man a nigger, yet you say that I need to be politically correct about my OWN fucking orientation? No, I don't. The focus is not on you or your thoughts about the word, the word is not offensive towards you, whom I assume is straight. It is, in only one place, offensive, and that is when another gay person sees it without knowing that I'm part of the same orientation and that confusion can be solved in literally 2 seconds.

- In Britain where I live, no one ever uses the word 'faggot' to mean a cig. 'Fag' yes, 'faggot' no, even then I don't say fag because it can be derogatory and there's just no need to use it. I do bat an eyelash tbh and I'm actually mixed race. For someone who doesn't like people to assume things about you, your assuming an awful lot about me. There is no clear way for anyone gay or straight to know if your using that word in a negative manner without speaking to you, and not everyone will! 

"- If there is an unexpected shoot out in the town the law isn't going to change, you either get out of there with your gun concealed or stay to fight with your gun out and face the music however it goes down. Totally reasonable." - No it is not... It's not reasonable for you to just run away and get shot in the back. It's not reasonable for you to just hide and hope to not get shot... It's unreasonable that if someone is stealing your car that you should just stand there and watch while it goes and having the cops ignore your calls.

d- It is totally reasonable. The law is the law, if police are around and your in trouble then you shouldn't need your gun. If the cops are ignoring your calls then they aren't there when your car is getting stolen, you should have no problem defending your property with a gun without being arrested.

​ - You misunderstand the situation I use the word in isn't my fault, that is your fault. If I say bitch, I can mean two things. You not understand which one I specifically means doesn't make a fault on me, that makes a fault on you and therefore you are actually obliged to ask me which I'm talking about. If I say sausage, I can mean two things and yes, if you assume I'm talking about a dick, then that is YOUR fault and not mine. If I say something in a inclusionary manner, then that is what it means... If you believe, without asking, that it is inflammatory, then that is your fault for assuming such things. The fault does not lie with me.

- regardless of who's fault it is no one is obliged to do anything in this server except follow the server rules, this is what I'm trying to get at. Like I said earlier I'm not saying your wrong for using the word personally but I think the initial kick is supposed to be a flame preventing precaution. You'd have to take up the admin problem with them.

"- I said isn't really breaking any rules. Shouting and walking in front of cars can be misconstrued for 'talking' and 'walking in the street'. I wasn't there, I don't know how it went down, I'm just saying there may be reasons behind your problems." - As you just said, you don't know what went down so why are you trying to argue about this point? I think that activly running into the street and trying to get run over while shouting "You mad bro yolo?" is indeed trolling. As well as playing chicken on the road with your Firit which is extremely common.

- Im not arguing a point, if you read it again i said "I'm just saying there may be reasons behind your problems", trying to provide extra perspective and have a discussion on a discussion board, geez sorry.

"- I think your 'assuming your view is the right one' there. I was giving my thoughts not a soloution to all your problems. I think the police attack on your sexual orientation was probably just a joke too, in all seriousness 'fluffyfurfaggot' sounds like a jokey kind of name man surely you can see it from that perspective?" - On the last point, I wasn't assuming you're an admin, it's just that the first response I get is that I'm being treated like a child and shown a rules list which I have read and you seemingly haven't, if your opinion shows any generality amongst the community's opinion on the subject of police officers behavior and my other complaints, then it is surely not going to be taken seriously. Now, about the sexual joke... You're telling me that I'm not allowed to have a jokeful name, which is indeed as you suggest, a joke to a degree, and yet the cops are allowed to joke about necrophilia on my expense? Now, that is fucking hypocrisy.

- I just thought you were, as there were a few questions and an anger directed at me when I'm not in a position to solve your problems nor did I cause them. I wasn't treating you like a child, (which by the way would make it 'your fault' in the 'your fault for assuming' philosophy chat before ) I was just giving 'my thoughts' and trying to bring an angle to the thread. Of course your allowed to have a jokey name, I never said you weren't, but if your going to concede a joke name then you have to be willing to take a joke when it comes to this police 'necrophilia' one.

 

[Lou]

"- In Britain where I live, no one ever uses the word 'faggot' to mean a cig. 'Fag' yes, 'faggot' no, even then I don't say fag because it can be derogatory and there's just no need to use it. I do bat an eyelash tbh and I'm actually mixed race. For someone who doesn't like people to assume things about you, your assuming an awful lot about me. There is no clear way for anyone gay or straight to know if your using that word in a negative manner without speaking to you, and not everyone will!" - Yes, and there is a food in Britain that is called "Faggot" as well. It's pre-packaged meat. If people want to think that I'm using the word in a derogatory manner without asking, that is their fault, not mine.

"d- It is totally reasonable. The law is the law, if police are around and your in trouble then you shouldn't need your gun. If the cops are ignoring your calls then they aren't there when your car is getting stolen, you should have no problem defending your property with a gun without being arrested." - Yes, then you get arrested for self defense and defense of property which I was earlier today. The cops didn't even ask why I did it, even after I told them they ignored me. If someone aims their gun at me, even if the cops are close, I'm not just going to try to run away. It's unreasonable for you to suggest that I should just run and pray that they will miss the shots they are taking towards me.

"- regardless of who's fault it is no one is obliged to do anything in this server except follow the server rules, this is what I'm trying to get at. Like I said earlier I'm not saying your wrong for using the word personally but I think the initial kick is supposed to be a flame preventing precaution. You'd have to take up the admin problem with them." - I did take it up with the admin that kicked me, he didn't listen. He just kicked me without listening for one single second, it went in one ear and out the other without having a single second thought. I've seen people with offensive names, names that would be offensive to people and I never saw them being kicked. The only reason why I got kicked is because I back talked to the admins bullshit. Abuse of administrative power, simple as that.

"- I just thought you were, as there were a few questions and an anger directed at me when I'm not in a position to solve your problems nor did I cause them. I wasn't treating you like a child, (which by the way would make it 'your fault' in the 'your fault for assuming' philosophy chat before ) I was just giving 'my thoughts' and trying to bring an angle to the thread. Of course your allowed to have a jokey name, I never said you weren't, but if your going to concede a joke name then you have to be willing to take a joke when it comes to this police 'necrophilia' one." - My anger is not directed towards you, it's a general feeling I have towards this community and it's police officers at the moment. And yes, I'm allowed to joke about my sexuality, they are not. Just like A black man is allowed to say nigger, I'm allowed to say faggot, just because I'm joking about it doesn't mean that it gives them a right to joke about something quite disgusting. Even if it was done in a well mannered and humerous way, it doesn't change the fact that if I made a joke about them being bend overs, I would be jailed without a doubt. As I mentioned, I was kicked merely because of my backtalk.

 

[wes]

Listen man, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on a lot of this.

*In summary there are such things as words that have a cultural negative stigma that have most definitely been black-listed on this server, which your playing in and you might have to adapt to it. 

*Laws are Laws, In an ideal world everything would be fine and you'd never get arrested under the wrong circumstances but sometimes we are. everyone needs to be better at role play in this server. 

*People are sometimes dicks and it looks like you got a raw deal with the admin, but luckily your in the right place to complain. Hopefully it will get sorted soon.

*your allowed to be whoever you want to be but everyone is an individual and you have to be prepared for someone to have an opinion or make a joke about a fairly jokey name when not everyone will bother to find out the context of the name.

that's me done lol take it easy.


 

 

[Wilco]

There are alot of new police, please bare with us while the force is improved, you will find top roleplay experience with the majority of the police force, Some has been here since the start of the server.